4 minutes ago, A F said:

I agree with what you're saying, but it's not being 'woke' or 'soft' to treat people with respect. 

Many would argue that calling an umpire "sir" is just that.

Strange though that the biggest meat-head sports followers in the country think it's completely normal though.

Id like to see a change in attitude towards the umps. Will take years however as it's part of AFL culture to rip the umpires.

 

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

And Santa said he isn't fat.

the side on view shows him walking straight into the ump he must get weeks for that

That is crazy! How can you possibly defend this?

6 weeks minimum. 

Probably the wrong tack to start with. The guy has no contrition but to be fair, his expectation from most previous experience would be that his actions will be glossed over and white washed and forgiven as they often are.

2 minutes ago, CYB said:

That is crazy! How can you possibly defend this?

6 weeks minimum. 

To me it feels like the GWS coaching staff and hierarchy let the players run the show. And it's clear they don't call Toby out for his repeated wrongs. If they did he wouldn't keep doing it, nor would he be pleading not guilty. This feeds his arrogance and narcissism.

Edited August 30, 20213 yr by A F

3 minutes ago, A F said:

To me it feels like the GWS coaching staff and hierarchy let the players run the show. And it's clear they don't call Toby out for his repeated wrongs. If they did he wouldn't keep doing it, nor would he be pleading not guilty. This feeds his arrogance and narcissism.

West Coast syndrome.

Let the players behave like rappers provided they keep bringing home the silverware.

38 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

He's pleaded not guilty.

Not the strategy I would have taken, but OK.

 

31 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Can't believe he has pleaded not guilty, this will be minimum of 4 now. I reckon he could have got away with 2-3 with an early plea.

Not Guilty to intentional contact. Hes admitted contact was made. Big difference.

Been reported that umpire Stevic left a message (with the relevant people) soon after the game that the contact was only light

The defence will be jumping all over that you'd imagine.  Not that it should matter as the act itself (and the intent) should be regarded as the most important aspect

25 minutes ago, faultydet said:

And Santa said he isn't fat.

I remember when Petracca was fat

 

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Been reported that umpire Stevic left a message (with the relevant people) soon after the game that the contact was only light

The defence will be jumping all over that you'd imagine.  Not that it should matter as the act itself (and the intent) should be regarded as the most important aspect

That's exactly opposite to what the AFL usually does though. 

Good to see how brave Stevic is to not feel intimidated.  Would he ever say anything else?

12 minutes ago, A F said:

To me it feels like the GWS coaching staff and hierarchy let the players run the show. And it's clear they don't call Toby out for his repeated wrongs. If they did he wouldn't keep doing it, nor would he be pleading not guilty. This feeds his arrogance and narcissism.

After seeing Barry Hall not get suspended before the GF for a blatant punch when the AFL wanted Sydney to win it wouldn't surprise me if the not guilty plea has come from Gil

Just now, Demonland said:

 

That will be very important to the defence, but remember optics played the bigger part in Viney’s suspension than the actual contact or physical harm to the player. The image of one of the games top players walking through the umpire and showing blatant disrespect harms the league at the grass roots level. 

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

The fix is in

 

2 minutes ago, Pates said:

That will be very important to the defence, but remember optics played the bigger part in Viney’s suspension than the actual contact or physical harm to the player. The image of one of the games top players walking through the umpire and showing blatant disrespect harms the league at the grass roots level. 

This point can't be understated or ignored.

Violence towards umpires and officials at grass roots level in particular in the junior leagues is a massive problem.

The Premier League in the nation has to lead by example and say that this aggressive behaviour is NOT ok.

6 minutes ago, sue said:

That's exactly opposite to what the AFL usually does though. 

Good to see how brave Stevic is to not feel intimidated.  Would he ever say anything else?

Kinda [censored] of the AFL to put an umpire in that situation. He would be facing trolls on the internet if he said differently.

Maybe Toby is just a grade A [censored] when we were staying in Melbourne I jumped into a cab with my family and Toby walked down the middle of the hotel driveway directly towards our cab. He could see we were trying to drive but he just walked straight towards the car and maybe our poor cabby wait a good 5 seconds for him to do his little man strut down the drive way. 

Stevic is enacting the player's code "nothing in it"

AFL pulling the strings?

So Stevic's final remarks are damning for Greene. 

Acknowledged it is not a good look for the game, it was disrespectful etc, etc. 

I think GWS had a defense structured around Stevic's response...that has failed.

Greene is gone.

Just now, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Stevic is enacting the player's code "nothing in it"

AFL pulling the strings?

Try again.

 

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Try again.

 

Interesting contrast from early comments  🤔