Toby Greene umpire contact

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

AFL considering appealing the penalty, apparently.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/31/mclachlan-perplexed-by-greene-ban-as-afl-considers-appeal/

I suspect the AFL won't appeal. To do so could have the perverse consequence of Greene being found not guilty (unless the appeal can be solely about the penalty).

[Pates 9,697]

I remember Akermanis started becoming a burden on the club despite his footballing ability (different reasons but similar d-head issues). Leon Cameron and the leaders at the club need to pull him aside and in no uncertain terms tell him to pull his head in. 

You always want to see the best players out there, some of them get unlucky due to injury but when they’re their own worst enemy it really does your head in. 

[Lucifers Hero 40,716]

5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

AFL considering appealing the penalty, apparently.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/31/mclachlan-perplexed-by-greene-ban-as-afl-considers-appeal/

I suspect the AFL won't appeal. To do so could have the perverse consequence of Greene being found not guilty (unless the appeal can be solely about the penalty).

The AFL appealed the Houli 2 week ban because they thought it was 'manifestly inadequate'.  The ban was increased to 4 weeks on appeal.

Not sure how the appeal rules work but it looks like they were able to challenge the sentence without risk of overturning the guilty verdict.

[ManDee 7,395]

I like the idea of each subsequent guilty verdict leading to double the previous penalty. 1st offence 2 weeks. 2nd offence 4, 3rd 8, 4th 16 weeks and so on. Players like Toby Greene would learn or never play again. They can be malevolent cancers that need to grow up.

Edited August 31, 2021 by ManDee
Keyboard warrior backs away from potential litigation.

[Mazer Rackham 14,972]

3 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Tommy Lahiff - 'Can you hear me Harry?' (for the older Demonland crowd)

"TOMMY ARE YOU THERE?"

"I'm in the rooms 'Arry. I'm talking wif Mike Fitzpatrick, Harry. I fink it's Mike Fitzpatrick ... he's got the number 3 on 'is back. Only it's on a duffel coat. 'E's a lot smaller than I remember, 'Arry, an' 'e's got blonde 'air, an' 'e's a girl."

 

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The last one with Heppell happened on Sunday.  It was in play, he took several steps toward the umpire and must have seen him yet pushed him in the chest and upper arm which were forceful enough to force him back. Went round him only after the umpire had been pushed out of Heppell's path.  Didn't try to pull up.  Didn't look back.  Didn't apologise.  Not even cited by MRO. 

The AFL should go scorched earth on this, and should have long before this Greene incident. Heppell should have been cited, and let off, just to send a message. Neale should have got a week, just to send a message. There should have been no controversy over the Greene incident. Automatic 6 weeks and no media chatter because the line in the sand had already been drawn.

But the AFL have no concept of "precedent".

[picket fence 18,181]

Should have been 4 weeks plus 25 grand! What an absolute Muppet!! PLUS a 2 match susoended sentence for any other guilty verdict on top of what he would get for ANY proven offence in next 2 years. 23 CHARGES 23 guy will NEVER learn

Edited August 31, 2021 by picket fence

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

AFL considering appealing the penalty, apparently.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/31/mclachlan-perplexed-by-greene-ban-as-afl-considers-appeal/

I suspect the AFL won't appeal. To do so could have the perverse consequence of Greene being found not guilty (unless the appeal can be solely about the penalty).

I hope they appeal: I agree with Mister Gill - for once: he should have been sentenced to six weeks.

[dieter 3,325]

3 hours ago, DeeZone said:

A really great player but his brain fades have really damaged him as a Star and his Club at the most critical of times. I was really shocked when I saw the incident and the look on Jesse Hogans face following the incident confirmed to me the unacceptable nature of the incident. The Giants should impose further sanctions on him so that he actually gets it.!!!!

Max just picked him up to say hello.

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Interesting logic.

 

He offended during a final, so that should be double the standard penalty, yeah?

Yes, very interesting, to quote Maxwell Smart.

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Correct verdict, penalty the absolute bare minimum but IMO too light.

The AFL has a lot of work to do with its MRO/Tribunal process for 2022. Greene, like Selwood, is a brilliant example of why repeated fines do nothing to deter behaviour.

Repeated fines is like fining a serial burglar $1000 every time he burgles and takes home 100 grand for his efforts. 

[DubDee 26,674]

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Interesting logic.

 

He offended during a final, so that should be double the standard penalty, yeah?

The double Penalty in finals is to stop the Lynch type swinging punches so I wouldn’t have thought so

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,791]

Heard Grant Thomas on 3aw yesterday advocating for a fine only due to it being a "grey area" and suspensions need to be reserved for "black and white" incidents only

Totally moronic

He must've been headline chasing in a bid for relevance, as he'd been relegated to DD Dunlevey's slot (I'm usually not in the car at 12.30...)

[John Crow Batty 8,892]

I get the impression at least one member of the tribunal panel was trying hard to get Greene cleared. The process to find a verdict was far too long to hand out such a modest and minimal penalty given the obviousness and gravity of the offence. In the end an unholy compromise.

Edited August 31, 2021 by John Crow Batty

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

52 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

But the AFL have no concept of "precedent".

Disagree. They have a new one every week.

[Spirit of the Demon 256]

Local footy umpires satisfied message sent in Toby Greene case

[Antioch 235]

Does anyone remember Phil Carmen head-butting the umpire?

[Antioch 235]

20 weeks penalty

[Mazer Rackham 14,972]

17 minutes ago, Antioch said:

Does anyone remember Phil Carmen head-butting the umpire?

Oh yeah! ♪ All by myself ♫ ... Hungry Eyes ♫ ... jeez, he got around. Headbutting an umpire? That's America, I suppose.

[Demonland 74,429]

 

[DubDee 26,674]

Gill covering himself well here. Letting the tribunal take the hit and the AFL look like they are taking a hardline against ump incidents

doubt he’ll go the appeal

[Antioch 235]

9 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Oh yeah! ♪ All by myself ♫ ... Hungry Eyes ♫ ... jeez, he got around. Headbutting an umpire? That's America, I suppose.

He was a Collingwood player.

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

He might have to maintain the rage if the Umpires want to push this personal ado, perhaps even to court, and why not..

[rpfc 29,027]

They can't tease the appeal and then not bother.

It isn't great that the AFL is going to distract from the build up to semis but this is news and clicks either way.

3 weeks is a poorly executed bump on a player - so if you are an umpire you are now just another person on the field, hated by all, blamed by nuffies for all issues, and fair effing game...

I don't want to see Greene until Rd 6 next year.

[Demonland 74,429]

Grand Final Day Birthday Boy

 

[Mazer Rackham 14,972]

1 hour ago, Antioch said:

He was a Collingwood player.

No wonder he got head butted. Shoulda stuck to playing the old joanna.