6 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Tassie is but that's not the point. Geelong is bigger than Hobart and growing . Hobart's flatlined as has the state for decades.

 

Greater Geelong plus Surf Coast Shire 15 minutes down the road combine for 300k ferals and growing. 

5 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Both populations are a bit higher now, especially when you look at both Greater Hobart Population (260k) and Greater Geelong (276k) 
The whole of Tas will get behind the team, but in terms of immediate population, I know what you mean, but in terms of access to feeder/talent pathways, I'm going to assume that for a few years, Tasmania will have first rights to the local talent similar to the northern states. But as a traditional football state I don't think that it would last all that long.

Hi again Ouch! Although Green Bay (Go Pack!) has a population of just 100,000 the state of Wisconsin, including the city of Milwaukee has almost 7 million inhabitants with a big expat population of loyal Cheeseheads living in other states that regularly fill opposition stadiums. Whilst Lambeau Field seats around 82,000 there are still almost 150,000 people on the season ticket waiting list. 

That said, with a greater Hobart catchment area of nearly 250,000 people it's probably not much of a stretch to get 10% of them to commit to a season ticket. 

38 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hi again Ouch! Although Green Bay (Go Pack!) has a population of just 100,000 the state of Wisconsin, including the city of Milwaukee has almost 7 million inhabitants with a big expat population of loyal Cheeseheads living in other states that regularly fill opposition stadiums. Whilst Lambeau Field seats around 82,000 there are still almost 150,000 people on the season ticket waiting list. 

That said, with a greater Hobart catchment area of nearly 250,000 people it's probably not much of a stretch to get 10% of them to commit to a season ticket. 

Yep, I think it was more that modelling was done in regards to the business case (I actually think Clarko went over to explore models)  some of the comparisons were size of city, stadium, membership models, etc. 

Again, Jack Jumpers, have full membership, capacity crowd (only admittedly around 5k seated I think) but that is better optics than a half empty stadium. That said, they are now working to increase capacity on a sustained level. Tassie 'Devils' team, 23k for a stadium, but both stadium models have capacity to go up to 30k, and one of them to 40k (I think) . If that is full most weeks, and for a closed roof stadium, it's going to be a better experience live, but also on TV too.  

Edited February 5, 20242 yr by Ouch!

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It's always been my favourite away day destination on the football calendar. Not sure how you go about adding seats to a roofed stadium though?

 

On 04/02/2024 at 13:27, daisycutter said:

I think the tasmanians have got a far better case than richmond to be called the tigers

so richmond should rebrand.  i'm suggesting the "ferals" with appropriate imagery

you know it makes sense

The same rebrand argument should have been made for Port Adelaide's entry.

On 03/02/2024 at 17:51, DeeZone said:

We are still seeing it at GWS / Gold Coast stadiums whereas Tassie is a AFL footy state and should be able to get 15 - 20k on a regular basis, a lot of opposition supporters would also travel to Hobart so great for tourism, we love Hobart.!!

There's a reason why the Tasmanian govenment is a major sponsor of Hawthorn.  Hopefully that arrangement dies it's natural course sooner rather than later.

I could well be wrong, but I'd expect the Tassie team to capture most of their Aussie Rules following public.  You only need to look at the dominance of support that the Eagles an the Crows get to see that. 

I suspect that from being on the butt end of the joke on a National level, the years of pent up demand from not having an AFL will make Tasmainians even more parochial than either of those states as well and it wouldn't surprise me if they get memberships and attendances it their first season that put GWS and Gold Coast to shame.

I am willing to take bets on an AFL team in Tassie doing well, Tasmanians dearly want to poke a stick in our proverbial eye for all the parochial commentary over the years.

Financially Tassie is going to get better and better, huge markets globally for fresh organic food that are only going to increase. And while Tasmania is not as flash as NZ in world perception, it is a genuinely safe place to live and affordable, that is going to see the middle classes that are chased out of other cities move.  Perfect place for telework. (Personally a place in Boat Harbour is my end of world plan).

Also as others have said Hobart really is a great weekend destination, so quick on a plane, no agro like Sydney Airport, prices feel fair. I think they will get huge business from Victoria.

9 hours ago, daisycutter said:

the "reach" for talent/pathways/supporters would be the whole of tassie. that must be getting close to about 550k now

 

Could be a lot more if you do a head count dc!

22 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Wouldn't Tassie be as big, if not bigger, as Geelong? From a market size point of view.

Thanks Eldiablo.

You are probably correct. 

I'm sure they will be at least bigger than the last two clubs combined.

23 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Personally, as a Tasmanian, I'm not super enthused by the design above. But in terms of history and tradition, it's akin to the Big V for Victorians. Tassie played as the Devils in the VFL, and our junior teams have been the Devils in the Coates League, national champs, etc.... It's probably a little lazy, but it's incredibly popular and nostalgia attached. 

I am almost 100% sure that a green jumper will be used,  and likely to have yellow and red incorporated into it as well.  Not sure I want the map or not though....

I too would like to see green, it is lacking in the AFL jumper landscape/.

I do think there needs to be a mix of nostalgia that people can relate to but also a new and original identity. For this reason I'd probably keep the old 'map' jumper associated with state of origin and create a similar jumper with a slight point of difference. 

Would actually love to be a fly on the wall in these creative team meetings, I'm sure they can do a better job than GC. 

After spending some time recently in Tasmania the reaction to an AFL team seems mixed. 

North/North West region seems to have a greater catchment for sporting talent and participation in comparison to Hobart, attend matches in great numbers and has a decent stadium in Launceston.

I think if you gave the locals a choice of spending $700 million on a new stadium or investing these funds into opportunities to improve the local economy, I imagine the latter would receive the nod.

 

Edited February 5, 20242 yr by Jibroni

16 hours ago, DEE fence said:

I am willing to take bets on an AFL team in Tassie doing well, Tasmanians dearly want to poke a stick in our proverbial eye for all the parochial commentary over the years.

Financially Tassie is going to get better and better, huge markets globally for fresh organic food that are only going to increase. And while Tasmania is not as flash as NZ in world perception, it is a genuinely safe place to live and affordable, that is going to see the middle classes that are chased out of other cities move.  Perfect place for telework. (Personally a place in Boat Harbour is my end of world plan).

Also as others have said Hobart really is a great weekend destination, so quick on a plane, no agro like Sydney Airport, prices feel fair. I think they will get huge business from Victoria.

I reckon they will need to leave at least 5,000 seats available from the big spending Vics fans at this Stadium which should be no less than 30,000 capacity. 

That will give the local existing “AFL” fans of the visiting teams plus about 2/3,000 visitors of the interstate teams scheduled there.

It will be like the GC and GWS all teams will play there not as selected by the Cats to their own dung hill. ( I think they have done well to get the ground as good as it is now. They must be asked to reserve say 4,000 seats for the opposition and have any sales after say Thursday open to the Gen Public. 

On 05/02/2024 at 16:02, Demon17 said:

Tassie is but that's not the point. Geelong is bigger than Hobart and growing . Hobart's flatlined as has the state for decades.

 

Tasmania's population growth hit a hurdle in 1853. Something to do with the abolition of compulsory drafting.  

 

Devils…any problem being too close to demons???

51 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Devils…any problem being too close to demons???

Absolutely. I hope Warner Brothers puts the kibosh on it.

the tassie dees .... nah, they wouldn't ... would they?

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

the tassie dees .... nah, they wouldn't ... would they?

Worse than the prison bar wars.

The Tassie Maps surely, or the Tassie Two Heads.

5 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Worse than the prison bar wars.

Sorry Andy but the place was called van Diemensland originally. I think you have to change the name of this site.

2 minutes ago, DutchDemons said:

Sorry Andy but the place was called van Diemensland originally. I think you have to change the name of this site.

they did drop that though, a long time ago.  obviously they rejected it. can't have cake and eat it.

Edited February 21, 20242 yr by daisycutter

4 minutes ago, DutchDemons said:

Sorry Andy but the place was called van Diemensland originally. I think you have to change the name of this site.

I'll claim creative commons

An annual Devils v Demons blockbuster over Dark Mofo weekend sounds pretty good to me. 

3 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

An annual Devils v Demons blockbuster over Dark Mofo weekend sounds pretty good to me. 

Throw in a witch burning ritual to round it all off. Late April early May is quite propitious.

Edited February 21, 20242 yr by Tarax Club
the devil made me do it!