COACHES VOTES: Rd 21 2021

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Melbourne

Votes

Player (Club)

10 Christian Petracca (MELB)

6 Elliot Yeo (WCE)

4 Luke Jackson (MELB)

3 Clayton Oliver (MELB)

3 Ben Brown (MELB)

2 Alex Neal-Bullen (MELB)

1 Jack Redden (WCE)

1 Nic Naitanui (WCE)

Would be

Petracca 5/5

Yeo 4/2

Jackson 4/0

Oliver and Brown 3/0

Neal-Bullen 2/0

and Redden and Natinui 1 vote each.

I can guess who gave the Natinui vote.

Leaderboard

Votes	Player	Club
104	Clayton Oliver	MELB
101	Marcus Bontempelli	WB
95	Touk Miller	GCFC
91	Ollie Wines	PORT
90	Samuel Walsh	CARL
85	Jack Steele	STK
84	Zach Merrett	ESS
76	Christian Petracca	MELB
73	Darcy Parish	ESS
64	Rory Laird	ADEL
61	Max Gawn	MELB
61	Jarryd Lyons	BL
61	David Mundy	FRE
60	Jack Macrae	WB
60	Tom Mitchell	HAW
60	Nic Naitanui	WCE
59	Hugh McCluggage	BL
54	Tom Stewart	GEEL
52	Jordan De Goey	COLL

[Smokey 4,345]

I can't believe I'm saying this but ... ANB stiff! Thought he had an absolute blinder 

[Swooper1987 3,221]

Bizarre.  Only Goodwin voted for Jackson, and how Simpson voted for Naitanui's 5 minute burst is beyond belief.  Simpson's judgement with his voting is reflective of his current coaching performance.

[chook fowler 19,249]

22 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

Bizarre.  Only Goodwin voted for Jackson, and how Simpson voted for Naitanui's 5 minute burst is beyond belief.  Simpson's judgement with his voting is reflective of his current coaching performance.

the most boring, vanilla coach in the comp. Makes Ross Lyon look like a hedonist.

[Ollie fan 3,062]

It’s rare that you have two such completely different opinions in these coaches’ votes. Jackson, Oliver, Brown and Neal-Bullen each only rated by one coach. It is assumed by someone that Naitanui was rated by Simpson; who knows if that is correct?

[The Chief 697]

Biases accepted, though I haven’t been a fan of Harmes recent games, last night he was excellent, way more influential on the end result than Nic Nat

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

We don't know what Simpson wanted Naitanui to do. Perhaps his role was to minimise Gawn's influence and given neither coach gave Gawn votes, perhaps that's why Naitanui was rewarded. Nevertheless, how he got votes ahead of Tim Kelly i have no idea.   

[monoccular 17,320]

Clearly Simpson is very demanding - thought that Nichols would have got one or two, but I guess he failed to deliver when it really counted. 

[Jaded No More 67,641]

Absolutely bizarre votes. Is Simpson OK?

Also Trac not a stand out for best on ground for mine at all. But I’m not complaining when a Melbourne player gets a perfect 10. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Jaded

[buck_nekkid 5,818]

30 minutes ago, The Chief said:

Biases accepted, though I haven’t been a fan of Harmes recent games, last night he was excellent, way more influential on the end result than Nic Nat

Nic Nac highly influential - when he went missing for the third quarter….

[Demonstone 21,765]

We have no way of knowing who each coach voted for AFAIK.  Maybe Goody gave NicNat the vote?

[Lucifers Hero 38,982]

Not sure how people work out which coach voted for who.  Beats me...

Redden was very good but got only one vote from the coach that didn't give it to Nic Nat.  Goodwin or Simpson voted for Redden?

Can't for the life of me figure out the difference in view for the 4 vote:  Jackson and Yeo.

I thought Kelly was pretty good.

 

We need to get the ball to Oliver next week so he can get a big lead on Bontempelli.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Adam The God 29,358]

How Petracca can get the full 10 votes for that game is beyond me. He made bizarre decisions repeatedly that cost us goals. He played well, but Oliver was far superior. Poor Clarry, constantly underrated when he's been at Trac's level for 5 years.

Then in the Bulldogs game you've got a guy who didn't lay a single tackle in the midfield polling 7 votes. Are you serious?

[Swooper1987 3,221]

10 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

We have no way of knowing who each coach voted for AFAIK.  Maybe Goody gave NicNat the vote?

The post match pressers are usually indicative.  Simpson was very bullish about Yeo and Naitanui.  Goodwin equally effusive about Jackson.  Goodwin also made mention of our third quarter dominance which by extension means Naitanui wouldn't have been in his consideration given he got exactly zero disposals in that quarter - the match deciding quarter as it turned out to be. Redden and Kelly were the best four quarter eagles in my view.  It makes no sense that Goody would've given 4 to Jacko and 1 to Naitanui given they played on each other for a big chunk of the night.

[DubDee 24,354]

Trac clearly bog for mine. Us supporters are used to his excellence. ANB and Harmes played much better than usual but Trac was the most dominant player on the pitch. He looked angry and tackled like a mad man. 

[Jaded No More 67,641]

57 minutes ago, A F said:

How Petracca can get the full 10 votes for that game is beyond me. He made bizarre decisions repeatedly that cost us goals. He played well, but Oliver was far superior. Poor Clarry, constantly underrated when he's been at Trac's level for 5 years.

Then in the Bulldogs game you've got a guy who didn't lay a single tackle in the midfield polling 7 votes. Are you serious?

The absolute love fest for the Bont is just annoying. Look he is a star, incredible vision, amazing ball user, beautiful to watch. But was he a 7 votes good on the weekend? Hell no. I watched the entire game and he was just OK. Did some nice things but did not go hard when the game was there to be won. He did get a nice helping hand from the umpires tho. You can already tell he’s won the Brownlow the way these umpires fawn over him like a love stuck teenager. 

Oliver isn’t flashy but nobody does what he does. Nobody is even close to him in the league when it comes to getting clean ball out of contested situations with his hands. He is a miracle footballer and until the day I die I will maintain that he’s a better player than Trac (who is an A grader!)

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

21 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Oliver isn’t flashy but nobody does what he does. Nobody is even close to him in the league when it comes to getting clean ball out of contested situations with his hands. He is a miracle footballer and until the day I die I will maintain that he’s a better player than Trac (who is an A grader!)

Actually, I think Tom Mitchell and Tom Libretore are just as good at that part of the game. But Oliver has them covered for other apects.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Absolutely bizarre votes. Is Simpson OK?

Also Trac not a stand out for best on ground for mine at all. But I’m not complaining when a Melbourne player gets a perfect 10. 

This was my initial reaction too, but after watching the replay, I've changed my tune.

He was so influential in scoring chains. His forward handballs, in particular, were sublime. A lot of the players that had strong games (ANB, Harmes etc.) fed off of Trac's good work.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

15 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

He is a miracle footballer and until the day I die I will maintain that he’s a better player than Trac (who is an A grader!)

In some ways, they're incomparable. Every good team needs one of each.

When Trac is on, you could argue that he only needs half the touches of Oliver to give you the same value but neither could be the player they are without the other.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

43 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

In some ways, they're incomparable. Every good team needs one of each.

When Trac is on, you could argue that he only needs half the touches of Oliver to give you the same value but neither could be the player they are without the other.

That's weird. Your post quotes a Jaded comment but attributes it to me. Puts me in illustrious company but I can't take credit for what I didn't actually say.

[Billy 2,461]

2 hours ago, A F said:

How Petracca can get the full 10 votes for that game is beyond me. He made bizarre decisions repeatedly that cost us goals. He played well, but Oliver was far superior. Poor Clarry, constantly underrated when he's been at Trac's level for 5 years.

Then in the Bulldogs game you've got a guy who didn't lay a single tackle in the midfield polling 7 votes. Are you serious?

Are you serious Oliver is leading the coaches awards, don’t think he’s being underrated 

As fantastic as Clarrie is, he’s played better games than last night 

[Adam The God 29,358]

55 minutes ago, Billy said:

Are you serious Oliver is leading the coaches awards, don’t think he’s being underrated 

As fantastic as Clarrie is, he’s played better games than last night 

I didn't say it was a brilliant game for him, I just said that I thought he was comfortably better than Trac. Most of Trac's touches seemed to be handball receives from Clarry anyway.

As for my point about Oliver being underrated, it's in reference to Trac and Bont mostly. Not only has Clarry done it longer than either of them (Bont used to have flashes of brilliance rather than more consistent elite performances), but Oliver rarely gets the fanfare of either aforementioned player because he's not as overtly offensive. 

Oliver has put together an incredible season. Probably his best, but it's not that far in front of some of his other seasons. James Brayshaw tends to give him a wrap, but it's very rare commentators notice or draw attention to Oliver's brilliance. Whereas they fawn over Trac. I reckon it's unfair, but anyway. It is what it is.

[deanox 9,657]

4 hours ago, A F said:

How Petracca can get the full 10 votes for that game is beyond me. He made bizarre decisions repeatedly that cost us goals. He played well, but Oliver was far superior. ...

 

2 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

This was my initial reaction too, but after watching the replay, I've changed my tune.

He was so influential in scoring chains. His forward handballs, in particular, were sublime. A lot of the players that had strong games (ANB, Harmes etc.) fed off of Trac's good work.

CDP this is line with my thoughts:

Oliver did some amazing work under a hard tag and I thought he often got the ball out in some super improbable situations, but it didn't often start anything or go anywhere. They were mostly contested possessions in close, which probably helped us retain or break even in close. He also didn't really get loose to be damaging by foot like he has at his best this year (although he did in the last play with an exceptional kick to Spargo that may have iced the game for us).

Petracca I thought created more space and opportunities around him, and his goal (one of only 10) was particularly good. He also got a bit more outside ball, allowing him space to deliver it.

Both are listed as having had 0 turnovers, whatever that means.

[Scoop Junior 3,395]

49 minutes ago, A F said:

As for my point about Oliver being underrated, it's in reference to Trac and Bont mostly. Not only has Clarry done it longer than either of them (Bont used to have flashes of brilliance rather than more consistent elite performances), but Oliver rarely gets the fanfare of either aforementioned player because he's not as overtly offensive. 

Oliver has put together an incredible season. Probably his best, but it's not that far in front of some of his other seasons. James Brayshaw tends to give him a wrap, but it's very rare commentators notice or draw attention to Oliver's brilliance. Whereas they fawn over Trac. I reckon it's unfair, but anyway. It is what it is.

Agree completely on Oliver being severely underrated - both by opposition fans and commentators. Trac is a sensational player and gets deserved recognition as such but Oliver doesn't get the plaudits he deserves.

I think this year commentators have finally caught on to him, but some of them suggest that this has been some kind of breakout season or that he has gone to new levels. The bloke has been performing at an exceptionally high level for years. I can't remember exactly who it was but a Melbourne player was asked about Oliver's incredible year earlier this season and he just laughed and said something like "Clarrie has been doing it for years".

Not only is he brilliant at his craft but he has an incredible will to win. How often does he have a huge last quarter in a close game to try to drag us over the line, winning some critical contests along the way. He did it last night with that centre clearance with about 1:20 left and the Eagles throwing everything at us.

28 possessions last night while copping an extremely tight tag for 4 quarters from a seasoned tagger.

He is a truly phenomenal footballer.

[Billy 2,461]

1 hour ago, A F said:

I didn't say it was a brilliant game for him, I just said that I thought he was comfortably better than Trac. Most of Trac's touches seemed to be handball receives from Clarry anyway.

As for my point about Oliver being underrated, it's in reference to Trac and Bont mostly. Not only has Clarry done it longer than either of them (Bont used to have flashes of brilliance rather than more consistent elite performances), but Oliver rarely gets the fanfare of either aforementioned player because he's not as overtly offensive. 

Oliver has put together an incredible season. Probably his best, but it's not that far in front of some of his other seasons. James Brayshaw tends to give him a wrap, but it's very rare commentators notice or draw attention to Oliver's brilliance. Whereas they fawn over Trac. I reckon it's unfair, but anyway. It is what it is.

Fair enough l agree that he’s underrated compared to Bont & Trac, but obviously not by the coaches votes

l think Oliver is a brilliant footballer, probably in the top 3 Demons players in my 40 years