CHANGES: Rd 19 vs Western Bulldogs

[titan_uranus 25,202]

14 hours ago, olisik said:

Time to brood Bowey off half back. Rivers shanks way too many.

I hope we didn’t trade up for 2 first round picks in our premiership window to not play them in the firsts?

Lol.

Rivers and Jackson have played every game when fit this year in the side sitting top of the ladder with a 13-1-3 record, and you've decided there's a problem that we might have made drafting errors?

[Megatron 886]

Did I just hear Ralphy correctly? Are we now scheduled to play Bulldogs next week instead of GC?

[Diamond_Jim 12,714]

I have no idea if Jackson needs a rest but assuming he does is Weid up to replacing him around the ground?

If not I think I'd prefer another forward/mid before Daw.

What a shame no VFL today

[olisik 4,060]

29 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Lol.

Rivers and Jackson have played every game when fit this year in the side sitting top of the ladder with a 13-1-3 record, and you've decided there's a problem that we might have made drafting errors?

Not sure the relevance, Jackson, Rivers and Pickett were drafted in 2019 ready made players and played matches in there first season with the Dees.

Bowie and Laurie drafted in 2020 which we traded up our 2021 pick to get. Would assume we would go for ready made players in our window opposed to project players who will take years to come on.

Edited July 18, 2021 by olisik

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[titan_uranus 25,202]

21 minutes ago, olisik said:

Not sure the relevance, Jackson, Rivers and Pickett were drafted in 2019 ready made players and played matches in there first season with the Dees.

Bowie and Laurie drafted in 2020 which we traded up our 2021 pick to get. Would assume we would go for ready made players in our window opposed to project players who will take years to come on.

I had given you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were complaining about Rivers being dropped for shanking it and therefore missing out on being in the firsts.

I now see you're complaining about Bowey (and Laurie) not being in the firsts.

Which is even more ridiculous.

The fact we have last year's draftees getting stronger and better at Casey is a tick for our list management, not a cross. 

[WERRIDEE 5,596]

55 minutes ago, olisik said:

Not sure the relevance, Jackson, Rivers and Pickett were drafted in 2019 ready made players and played matches in there first season with the Dees.

Bowie and Laurie drafted in 2020 which we traded up our 2021 pick to get. Would assume we would go for ready made players in our window opposed to project players who will take years to come on.

Bowey is ready to go it's just that it's tough to get a game we are pretty settled but Rivers would want to find some form soon or Bowey will take his place.

[Monocology 1,109]

17 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

3. Kicking to the pockets all the time

Continues to do my head in, a target found right on arc & boundary - while opposition fill holes.

[RedFox 536]

I think it's time we started looking at giving Gus a run on the ball. I acknowledge his performance as a defensive winger has been admirable so far this season but our clearance game is broken at the moment. Feel like AVB or Harmes could be as effective in the defensive wing role.

[layzie 34,367]

2 minutes ago, RedFox said:

I think it's time we started looking at giving Gus a run on the ball. I acknowledge his performance as a defensive winger has been admirable so far this season but our clearance game is broken at the moment. Feel like AVB or Harmes could be as effective in the defensive wing role.

It is one ace we have up the sleeve. He is a natural in the middle. I do worry about filling that wing side though it’s just a bit of an unknown. 

[RedFox 536]

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

It is one ace we have up the sleeve. He is a natural in the middle. I do worry about filling that wing side though it’s just a bit of an unknown. 

The wing is a bit of a concern, my take on Gus' role this season is that his strongest asset has been his ability to influence aerial contests, often putting himself in harms way. AVB has no fear and is also a good size. He can do it.  I have a vague recollection of Gus being pretty clean by foot going forward when we were blowing teams away in 2018. He was damaging. We need that version of him at the moment

[layzie 34,367]

4 minutes ago, RedFox said:

The wing is a bit of a concern, my take on Gus' role this season is that his strongest asset has been his ability to influence aerial contests, often putting himself in harms way. AVB has no fear and is also a good size. He can do it.  I have a vague recollection of Gus being pretty clean by foot going forward when we were blowing teams away in 2018. He was damaging. We need that version of him at the moment

Yeah fair point on AVB being able to influence in the air like Gus does. Keeping an eye on the ball and just halving the contest where he has to. I would question if he can run out games regularly at the moment but that can be improved. Something to think about at least.

Gus’s kicking has always been a hard thing to nail down. I’ve always labelled him as a bit of a ‘confidence kicker’ in that when he’s up and running he runs through the middle and kicks well but then there’s the times he butchers it consistently. I’ve never thought there was a whole lot wrong mechanically with his foot skills. If nothing else it would just give us a different look at delivery into the 50. 

I don’t know what’s going to happen but it is starting to look a bit predictable through the middle. 

[Adam The God 30,639]

4 hours ago, Dannyz said:

Petty looked lame so id withdraw him.

Rivers and Jackson could do with being managed.

Bowey, Bedford and Sparrow deserve a try.

Bedford not mentioned by Goodwin in a long list of players they think are performing well at VFL level. I think therefore Melksham is more likely than Toby. But the FD could have a change of heart. I agree with your calls about Bowey and Sparrow though. I'd seriously think about Weideman for Jackson and Bowey for Rivers.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, RedFox said:

I think it's time we started looking at giving Gus a run on the ball. I acknowledge his performance as a defensive winger has been admirable so far this season but our clearance game is broken at the moment. Feel like AVB or Harmes could be as effective in the defensive wing role.

 

57 minutes ago, layzie said:

It is one ace we have up the sleeve. He is a natural in the middle. I do worry about filling that wing side though it’s just a bit of an unknown. 

He already is. The last 2-3 weeks we've had Jordon more on the wing and Gus more in the middle/forward.

 

[demon3165 2,846]

AVB, Viney out, along with Stafford.

Sparrow, anyone else

 

 

[Jaded No More 68,976]

We won’t be playing Gold Coast 

Channel 7 said we are playing the Dogs at the G. Dogs already back in Victoria. 
So frustrating to miss yet another big home game crowd. Just not sure how we financially survive. 

[pinkshark 950]

ANB has played 98 senior games of footy.  Just wow!

And Viney is very limited.  He's ordinary.  

Langdon has gone a bit off in recent weeks with his hospital handballs.  But I'm not saying drop him.  

Ahh look, frustrating as.  But lets be positive.  We're on top still.  'Should' make the finals  As we are Melbourne though it will likely be in position 5-8.  We haven't absolutely embarrassed ourselves just yet.  So I'm predicting that to come.  But if you ever thought we were gonna waltz through and lose  2/3 games and win the flag you are deluded.  We have to be consistent, accurate and have a lot of luck with injuries.  blah blah blah.....

It's a tough competition and no team is perfect. 

Plus the umps were [censored] last night.   really really atrocious I thought. 

Max's 50m penalty just ridiculous and an embarrassment for the rule makers. Imagine that decision in a grand final, after all the investment, all the development.  It's just a frightening position to put umpires in.

Edited July 18, 2021 by pinkshark

[DemonBlack 12]

I just want a forward line that doesnt try and mark over each other, looking at west coast at the moment and they try to keep a 5m radius from each other in the 50m area.. it seems more efficient than bombing it to 10 players!!!!!

[layzie 34,367]

41 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

He already is. The last 2-3 weeks we've had Jordon more on the wing and Gus more in the middle/forward.

 

Yes and no. Definitely drifted through the middle for most of his possessions but I reckon I saw him at about 3 centre bounces for the game. Would like to see a bit more of a run through there but that’s not for me to decide. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yes and no. Definitely drifted through the middle for most of his possessions but I reckon I saw him at about 3 centre bounces for the game. Would like to see a bit more of a run through there but that’s not for me to decide. 

To clarify - Not meaning centre bounces, more meaning mid/forward. If you look at Gus and Jordon's heat maps it makes it pretty clear. Interestingly I noticed Goody switched it up and had Jordon at a few bounces late in the game. Still not sure why Pickett wasn't played through there like usual though.

Personally I think Gus played better on the wing.

[Deemania since 56 6,771]

20 hours ago, Purple77 said:

I like Harmes getting midfield minutes more than Viney.

Totally agreed with this; double the action man, double the speed, double the endeavour with the team. 

[monoccular 17,680]

46 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

ANB has played 98 senior games of footy.  Just wow!

And Viney is very limited.  He's ordinary.  

Langdon has gone a bit off in recent weeks with his hospital handballs.  But I'm not saying drop him.  

Ahh look, frustrating as.  But lets be positive.  We're on top still.  'Should' make the finals  As we are Melbourne though it will likely be in position 5-8.  We haven't absolutely embarrassed ourselves just yet.  So I'm predicting that to come.  But if you ever thought we were gonna waltz through and lose  2/3 games and win the flag you are deluded.  We have to be consistent, accurate and have a lot of luck with injuries.  blah blah blah.....

It's a tough competition and no team is perfect. 

Plus the umps were [censored] last night.   really really atrocious I thought. 

Max's 50m penalty just ridiculous and an embarrassment for the rule makers. Imagine that decision in a grand final, after all the investment, all the development.  It's just a frightening position to put umpires in.

“Max's 50m penalty just ridiculous and an embarrassment for the rule makers. Imagine that decision in a grand final, after all the investment, all the development.  It's just a frightening position to put umpires in.”

That 50 m, as it turned out, determined the game. 
Ridiculous rule and an even worse implementation in that particular instance, as Max was following his opponent which is allowed  

 

Edited July 18, 2021 by monoccular

[Deemania since 56 6,771]

20 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

IN: Melksham

OUT: Viney or vandenBerg

Need some skill in the team, that was extremely apparent tonight.

Greg Stafford time to move on too IMO.

 

Viney is the out. Vanders in an in. Vanders was rather good after so long out of footy, so he deserves another crack at a few tasks so he can get the V8 steamroller going again. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Deemania since 56 said:

Viney is the out. Vanders in an in. Vanders was rather good after so long out of footy, so he deserves another crack at a few tasks so he can get the V8 steamroller going again. 

I doubt either will come out anyway, both are Goody faves.

Didn't think vB was bad, just more thinking about the balance of our midfield and I think having both of them in means we've tilted a bit too far away from skill and it's going to cost us with our delivery forward.

[Deemania since 56 6,771]

20 hours ago, SPC said:

I’m flat, not sure where to start.. our centre work isn’t working, so need to start there. I’d like to bring Bowey in, Viney needs to go.. Max looked so flat tonight, was taking pills at half time. 

Must keep Jackson in for the ruck and give Gawn a well-deserved rest for the coming game - he must be fit and switched on in the finals.