10 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I really think people do not understand that the issues with AZ (and any other drug) are all about risk management. When Covid numbers are low (or non-existent), the risks associated with having the AZ vaccination are considered to be higher than catching Covid. Hence, the recommendation not to use it. When the numbers of Covid increase and ergo the chances of catching it increase, the risks associated with AZ are no longer as problematic as the risk of catching and being affected by Covid. That's when the health advice changes to recommending people have an AZ shot.

That leads to two conclusions. Firstly, the AZ vaccine is still a fine product which will provide protection, albeit with a very small risk of ill effects for some people. Secondly, when you chop and change the advice - based on sound risk-based probability analysis - it can be too late, because in doing so, you've unfairly and unnecessarily trashed the brand.

Agree, but it's not just chopping and changing advice, it's letting distrust, misinformation and panic set in by being lax (in the extreme) on messaging around the entire vaccination program.

Meanwhile The Age is reporting both Brisbane and GC are leaving Queensland today: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lions-head-to-melbourne-suns-on-the-move-20210629-p5854s.html

Whilst Brisbane was always planning to come here early before going to Adelaide, GC is supposed to be hosting Richmond on the GC on Thursday night. So if this report is correct, change is afoot.

A Victorian hub for the next 1-3 weeks is looking increasingly likely.

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Agree, but it's not just chopping and changing advice, it's letting distrust, misinformation and panic set in by being lax (in the extreme) on messaging around the entire vaccination program.

I think it more than that titan, I think the Government put too much trust in AZ and missed an opportunity to spread the risk by buying more mRNA's

24 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I think it more than that titan, I think the Government put too much trust in AZ and missed an opportunity to spread the risk by buying more mRNA's

Exactly my take on it Man Dee  Morrison trusted his mate at AZ and was let down

Prudence would dictate you spread your risk and dont go early to extract some small political gain

37 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Be mindful of the heart inflammation risks from Pfizer in younger males: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

Jaded should be fine then....

48 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

A Victorian hub for the next 1-3 weeks is looking increasingly likely.

 

Bwahhhaa. Finally my vsion is becoming a reality. I sent the email below to Gil last year.

Theey implemented my hub idea last year, but frustratingly did not credit me, publicly at least. I'm still waiting for the recognition - and AFL life membership

But last years hub was no good for us down here in the home of football. Now my Melbourne hub proposal is finally coming to fruition. Gill has listened. And my AFL life membership is assured

I will write to Gil again and suggest some cool tweaks to last year’s proposal: 

• Base a couple of teams in G town and train and play at Kardinia park.  
• Base a couple of teams in  Ballarat and train and play at Eureka Oval 
• The regions win with these two options
• Play some games at Princess park, Whitten Oval and Moorabbin, and maybe even Punt road for [censored] and giggles, as they are AFL ready and would bring footy back to the ‘burbs.

VFL football is back baby. 
 

From: binman
Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2020 9:11 PM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: an idea

Hi (to whom it may concern),

Looking at the contact list on the AFL site it wasn’t clear where I should send this email to and the [email protected] address seemed as good as any.

I know the AFL must have been inundated with all sort of ideas about how to proceed in these crazy times. Well, I have another one to throw into the mix. The idea is relatively simple and whilst it has its obvious complexities I think relatively doable.

The idea is as follows:

Semi isolate all 18  AFL teams, all their players, support staff (coaching staff, medical teams etc) and umpires in one city for the next six weeks, which is before the expected peak of Covid 19 in say May-June when it is inevitable all games will need to be cancelled. No families or, partners or friends. No non-essential club personnel . I estimate that would be approximately 1200 people. All admin and FD staff could video conference as required.

Test every player at the start of the six weeks.

In the six weeks play games back to back at a single venue – for example lets say the MCG, Adelaide Oval or god forbid marvel. Each team plays say 8 games – so nearly half the planned 17 games.

Completely book out say six  hotels close to the playing venue (so you would only have 200 or so at any one hotel spread out over multiple floors and everyone their own room) and smash out the games.

Hotels will  be completely empty soon enough  and would love all their rooms fully booked  for six weeks. A good deal could be brokered I suspect.

Say it was at the G you could book the Pullman and five other hotels in a the CBD (all within a 2-3km radius). Teams rotate training on the G and at Goshs paddock, Marvel stadium, AAMI Park, Punt Road and Collingwood's training ground. All in walking distance so no buses required (minimising transmission risk).

No planes required for players after initial flights into Melbourne for the 8 interstate sides so minimising air travel and need to transit through airports. Also minimise teams having to stay at random hotels and mixing with the public when playing at interstate venues.

All team would obviously need spaces for rehab, weights, medicals, match debriefs, team meetings, dieticians etc etc.

But all hotels have large meetings spaces, conference rooms and smaller meeting rooms. And of course proper kitchens and no doubt medical facilities.

All of the hotels have their own gyms. Probably not up to the standard need but AAMI park, Punt road and the g all have gyms etc. Gyms in the CBD will likely be closed so each club could hire their own gym 24-7 (and cut a good deal as gyms will otherwise likely close).

In addition to using Marvel stadium for training (or as the match venue) it has any number of meetings spaces, i assume a gym and entertainment areas if it was felt that was useful. The g has also has all sorts of meeting spaces.

For Collingwood, Richmond and the Dees it would hardly be different (apart from living in a hotel of course) as they would use their own grounds, weights room, meeting spaces  etc . Completely clean their spaces and the next team gets their turn. Repeat at the G and Marvel.

The CBD will be practically empty soon so players could get out and about a little bit. Book out some cinemas (which will be empty) and other entertainment options where players could spread out, so they have something to do.

Plenty of parks to wander around for positive head space and a nice hotel room to go back to.

Relatively cost effective, particularly given the costs of chartering planes and having teams fly and stay interstate.

Channel 7 and fox can leave all their equipment in place. Could be game every night, which both broadcasters would love given the paucity of live sport ATM.

Money will continue to flow to the clubs and the AFL. Which will be critical. And may save some clubs.

And it will be good for everyone’ morale to be able to watch some footy.

The AFL would have measure of control that the simply won’t be able to achieve in other scenarios.

Of course players and staff would be away from family but that's workable for six weeks.

And of course there are any number of issues and complexities that would have to be resolved. But there will be with whatever option is pursued

It could work

Please forward this email to Gill and his team. Gill is a fella who thinks outside the square and I reckon if he hasn’t thought of it already my idea might, at the least, be of some curiosity value.

Cheers

binman

 

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Meanwhile The Age is reporting both Brisbane and GC are leaving Queensland today: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lions-head-to-melbourne-suns-on-the-move-20210629-p5854s.html

Whilst Brisbane was always planning to come here early before going to Adelaide, GC is supposed to be hosting Richmond on the GC on Thursday night. So if this report is correct, change is afoot.

A Victorian hub for the next 1-3 weeks is looking increasingly likely.

Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

7 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

geelong or ballarat i suspect

same could be true for the meth coke game

The hysteria around this thing is unbelievable.

"Cases, we have cases"!!!!!! 

Watch Paul Murray each night, who is now giving the numbers on how many of these cases are actually sick, or in hospital. Tip, it's bugger all.

The politicians seem to be giddy over all of these new found powers to shut down your businesses and many on here seem to be excited at the thought of more lockdowns provided it's in Liberal run states.

It's the pollies who are pushing the hysteria, aided by a sensationalist media writing for lemmings who read the stuff.

 

 

17 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

Depends how things track on the GC - no new cases in Vic.

For selfish reasons I'd love it at Metricon (I'm an hour away in NNSW and haven't been to a game for a lonnng time) but for team first, at the G also good.

2 minutes ago, faultydet said:

The hysteria around this thing is unbelievable.

"Cases, we have cases"!!!!!! 

Watch Paul Murray each night, who is now giving the numbers on how many of these cases are actually sick, or in hospital. Tip, it's bugger all.

The politicians seem to be giddy over all of these new found powers to shut down your businesses and many on here seem to be excited at the thought of more lockdowns provided it's in Liberal run states.

It's the pollies who are pushing the hysteria, aided by a sensationalist media writing for lemmings who read the stuff.

 

 

Delta has an R0 between 5 and 6. Without a very substantial proportion being vaccinated, the risk without lockdowns/controls/restrictions falls on very large numbers and hospitalisations. AFAICT, the calculus has not changed since last year as we don't have a large proportion vaccinated.

Looking at it the other way, if you let this thing run (ref: Sweden) and lots of people die/end up in hospital (affecting provision of other services) which probably leads to stricter/long term lockdowns, what would you prefer.

Not defending decisions, just laying down some probable rationale...

PS: there is already an acknowledgement that once most of us are vaccinated and borders open the focus will change to hospitalisations and not new cases/case numbers.

Edited June 29, 20213 yr by Superunknown

13 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Watch Paul Murray each night, who is now giving the numbers on how many of these cases are actually sick, or in hospital. Tip, it's bugger all.

 

Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

A Victoria hub just as we are about to play Port would be magnificent. 
Go on SA, [censored] your pants and shut the border to Victoria. You know you want to. You implemented restrictions with 0 cases. Better be safe!

On the train heading in for my second AZ jab. Told the girls if I don't make it sprinkle my ashes on the MCG when we win the flag ?

Just joking - (about the MCG I mean, not the jab) what have we had? A couple of deaths from millions of vaccines? Get vaxed up ya wusses - only way out of this chaos. You're taking a greater risk sitting near the Essendon cheers squad.

QLD going into a 3 day lockdown. Explains why the QLD teams abandoned state. 
Bring on the Victorian hub and let’s keep it going until the end of September. Cheers. 

54 minutes ago, binman said:

Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

Poor taste dig removed. Sorry

Edited June 29, 20213 yr by ManDee

23 minutes ago, binman said:

Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

binman, it is indeed interesting that you comment in a negative way about facts that are sourced from the state governments themselves. No leftist commentator wants to go anywhere near the hospitalization numbers, because it gives a clearer picture of the hysterical overreactions to this virus. It's all cases, cases, cases.

Hospital numbers don't change because of the messenger.

 

48 minutes ago, binman said:

Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

 

21 minutes ago, faultydet said:

binman, it is indeed interesting that you comment in a negative way about facts that are sourced from the state governments themselves. No leftist commentator wants to go anywhere near the hospitalization numbers, because it gives a clearer picture of the hysterical overreactions to this virus. It's all cases, cases, cases.

Hospital numbers don't change because of the messenger.

Faulty I fail to see this as a negative comment. Perhaps you object to being aligned with the views of Paul Murray for some reason. 

1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

That's still three weeks away.

Queensland's gone into lockdown very early, with only three new cases today. Previous very early lockdowns in Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide have been short and successful. Even though this is the Delta variant, I'd say the odds right now are that Queensland will be out of lockdown by the time of our game against GC.

Indeed, I foresee a modicum of bad luck against us with this arrangement. The Dogs had no crowd vs West Coast. Carlton's going to get its trip to Perth brought back to Victoria, as is Richmond with its trip to the GC.

Our next interstate trip is to Adelaide and right now that is the only interstate trip that is not in COVID jeopardy. So we won't "benefit" from a Victorian hub unless the SA-Vic border closes in either direction, and at the moment that's not on the cards.

And that's on top of us being the only side to have two home games lost during the Victorian lockdown.

Not trying to make this a "woe is us" thing. Just pointing out what I foresee to be bad luck - we could lose home games to the Victorian lockdown and then not "benefit" from the NSW, Queensland or WA lockdowns.

 

 

5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

That's still three weeks away.

Queensland's gone into lockdown very early, with only three new cases today. Previous very early lockdowns in Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide have been short and successful. Even though this is the Delta variant, I'd say the odds right now are that Queensland will be out of lockdown by the time of our game against GC.

Indeed, I foresee a modicum of bad luck against us with this arrangement. The Dogs had no crowd vs West Coast. Carlton's going to get its trip to Perth brought back to Victoria, as is Richmond with its trip to the GC.

Our next interstate trip is to Adelaide and right now that is the only interstate trip that is not in COVID jeopardy. So we won't "benefit" from a Victorian hub unless the SA-Vic border closes in either direction, and at the moment that's not on the cards.

And that's on top of us being the only side to have two home games lost during the Victorian lockdown.

Not trying to make this a "woe is us" thing. Just pointing out what I foresee to be bad luck - we could lose home games to the Victorian lockdown and then not "benefit" from the NSW, Queensland or WA lockdowns.

 

I agree re the CG game. I think that will go ahead as planned.
Port is coming to Victoria this week to play Hawthorn. It’s possible that in order to avoid any issues with borders in SA suddenly shutting that they will ask them to stay here for another week to ensure our game goes ahead without any issues. As realistically if SA shuts their border to Victoria there are no states left to play in except Tassie, and I assume Port would rather get some much needed practice playing on the G than down in Tassie (and Tassie could well close their borders too). 

Football’s Coming Home

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Thats right they had 0 cases in WA today. We are living in cuckoo land with this covid nonsense.

3 hours ago, binman said:

Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

Only because he disagrees with your opinion.