8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

How prescient of my good self.

Israel came out overnight recommending a fourth shot for many.

Israelis over the age of 60 and medical teams will be eligible for a fourth Covid vaccination to protect against the fast-spreading omicron variant, prime minister Naftali Bennett has announced.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/21/israeli-pm-announces-fourth-covid-jab-for-over-60s-to-tackle-omicron

With the current day advances in medical care, I'd go out on a limb and declare the vaccine effective after an individuals 28th dose

 

During the pandemic, I've read and heard the most, shall we say, idiotic and plain ridiculous commentary I've read or heard in my life. Most of it has come from the anti-vaxxers, next in line is the rubbish from a man called Scomo and his band of merry men and women, and the various commentators on Sky News, and the Murdoch Press are not far behind.

The bottom line, is that there is not one person on the planet who knows exactly what's going on with this virus, let alone one person who knows for sure how to deal with it. We are in the midst of a very dark unknown, and it just makes me so sick and tired and angry that it now seems to be reduced to the phoney baloney called Christmas and the urgent need to 'have a holiday'. I guess this is the sum of how spoiled rotten first world countries respond to any inconvenience to their pampered sense of entitlement. 

In the meantime, and for the record, my arm is till sore from my Monday booster jab, I get very tired very quickly, but so frigginvillia what?

In the meantime, the 'Free Marketers' still feel affronted by the notion of compulsory mask wearing and so it goes, the demented ramblings of a so-called democtaric system which has so many echoes of the fall of Rome.

14 hours ago, dieter said:

During the pandemic, I've read and heard the most, shall we say, idiotic and plain ridiculous commentary I've read or heard in my life. Most of it has come from the anti-vaxxers, next in line is the rubbish from a man called Scomo and his band of merry men and women, and the various commentators on Sky News, and the Murdoch Press are not far behind.

The bottom line, is that there is not one person on the planet who knows exactly what's going on with this virus, let alone one person who knows for sure how to deal with it. We are in the midst of a very dark unknown, and it just makes me so sick and tired and angry that it now seems to be reduced to the phoney baloney called Christmas and the urgent need to 'have a holiday'. I guess this is the sum of how spoiled rotten first world countries respond to any inconvenience to their pampered sense of entitlement. 

In the meantime, and for the record, my arm is till sore from my Monday booster jab, I get very tired very quickly, but so frigginvillia what?

In the meantime, the 'Free Marketers' still feel affronted by the notion of compulsory mask wearing and so it goes, the demented ramblings of a so-called democtaric system which has so many echoes of the fall of Rome.

Wow, that's quite a rant Deiter.

You nailed:

Scomo

Christianity

Capitalism

Western civilisation

Democracy

 

Merry Christmas mate. I hope you enjoy the day off for Jesus' birthday. 

18 hours ago, Cards13 said:

I’ll be devastated if the cricket is affected. MELB City have half a dozen players test positive now as well.

Big jump in case numbers today both in Vic and NSW.

Lucky the cricket is not on in another 10 days...

Reading a UK non medical forum and the general vibe is that for the vaccinated Omicron symptoms are typically a runny nose and a scratchy throat. Hopefully they stay that way

Big jump in case numbers was inevitable, this time of the year big Christmas crowds indoors at the shopping centres

23 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Merry Christmas mate. I hope you enjoy the day off for Jesus' birthday. 

 I thought we were celebrating the birth of Santa Claus?  

Veering further off topic, it's a good time of the year to be an ice addict.  No more sleeps until Christmas!

50 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Merry Christmas mate. I hope you enjoy the day off for Jesus' birthday. 

 

25 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

 I thought we were celebrating the birth of Santa Claus?  

Veering further off topic, it's a good time of the year to be an ice addict.  No more sleeps until Christmas!

Christmas is the day when children around the world celebrate the arrival of toys.

Had the test, lucky to live in the country with easy access.

It hit me that this inefficient and inconvenient process is only occurring because there are some people without vaccination.

If the vulnerable are protected with vaccination and the most fragile with additional isolation and distancing then should they get symptoms they go to hospital.

initially when there was no vaccination available and confusion over the best etc it was necessary to have testing and tracking.

Now with most protected only those who choose to not have vaccination who will get worst outcomes.

Testing is almost useless as you can be negative at test time and go to the supermarket or chemist and pick it up. We are all constantly at risk of picking it up, unavoidable. Vaccination means I won't get too crook. Let the people who are unvaccinated get crook and take their chances at getting treated. If intensive beds are short they go to the back of the quee they have made their choice. I'm happy to take my chances with no mask and self distancing.

5 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Christmas is the day when children around the world celebrate the arrival of toys.

 

I'm going to spend Christmas morning by attaching a giant novelty bow to the bonnet of my car, parking in front of a random house until I hears squeals of delight then speed off around the corner to find my next victim.

2 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

 

I'm going to spend Christmas morning by attaching a giant novelty bow to the bonnet of my car, parking in front of a random house until I hears squeals of delight then speed off around the corner to find my next victim.

Dressed as Santa I do hope!!

21 minutes ago, dpositive said:

 

Testing is almost useless as you can be negative at test time and go to the supermarket or chemist and pick it up. We are all constantly at risk of picking it up, unavoidable. Vaccination means I won't get too crook. Let the people who are unvaccinated get crook and take their chances at getting treated. If intensive beds are short they go to the back of the quee they have made their choice. I'm happy to take my chances with no mask and self distancing.

I would support this if the same rules were applied to smoking lung cancer victims, or alcoholic liver failure patients.

Until then, I'm not sure anyone should be denied medical care based on vaccination status.

29 minutes ago, hardtack said:

 

Thanks for posting. They can't be celebrating Christmas as Jesus was not born yet, so they must be celebrating Santa. Demonstone was correct!

I never realised that the Flinstones were a symbol of western excess and greedy capitalism.

Will burn all of my old VHS collection forthwith!

 

35 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

 

I'm going to spend Christmas morning by attaching a giant novelty bow to the bonnet of my car, parking in front of a random house until I hears squeals of delight then speed off around the corner to find my next victim.

Porsche no doubt.

19 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I would support this if the same rules were applied to smoking lung cancer victims, or alcoholic liver failure patients.

Until then, I'm not sure anyone should be denied medical care based on vaccination status.

Fair point. I'm happy to apply the same conditions.

i worked in health industry and decisions are made all the time to prioritise treatment and it's usually based on skills available and often ability to pay.

i strongly support our universal health system but do need to get the best value of the highly skilled and valuable people and the most efficient and effective use of the resources. We can and have achieved great outcomes from our health system.

Some of the problems with the pandemic were ideological where the Federal government ignores the effective hospital and health systems and chose to use drs and pharmacists as a preference. Inefficient and less effective.

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

 

Brought to you by the same artists who draw Adam and Eve with navels.

2 hours ago, faultydet said:

Wow, that's quite a rant Deiter.

You nailed:

Scomo

Christianity

Capitalism

Western civilisation

Democracy

 

Merry Christmas mate. I hope you enjoy the day off for Jesus' birthday. 

Jesus who?

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Christmas is the day when children around the world celebrate the arrival of toys.

The spoiled brats who have 5000 toys too many, you mean?

Another way of putting it, F.D, Christmas is the day when families who mostly dislike each other gather around a table, eat too much, drink too much and listen to mental midgets crooning Jingle Bells. Late in the afternoon, some blokes fall asleep, others continue to argue about who got the smallest piece of pav and the homicidal bitchin, to quote Leonardo Cohen, continues. In the meantime, the floor is littered with wrapping paper, presents are opened and taken home to be collected by the next dumpster in the neighborhood. In the meantime, Santa keeps floggin his reindeers and I'm still waiting for my electric train set 65 years later.

Edited December 23, 20213 yr by dieter

2 hours ago, dpositive said:

Now with most protected only those who choose to not have vaccination who will get worst outcomes.

 

...and those that can't be vaccinated for medical reasons?

Lets just let them fend for themselves, let them get the worst outcomes too.

Sorry, but that statement is thoughtless.

Edited December 23, 20213 yr by rjay

34 minutes ago, dieter said:

The spoiled brats who have 5000 toys too many, you mean?

Another way of putting it, F.D, Christmas is the day when families who mostly dislike each other gather around a table, eat too much, drink too much and listen to mental midgets crooning Jingle Bells. Late in the afternoon, some blokes fall asleep, others continue to argue about who got the smallest piece of pav and the homicidal bitchin, to quote Leonardo Cohen, continues. In the meantime, the floor is littered with wrapping paper, presents are opened and taken home to be collected by the next dumpster in the neighborhood. In the meantime, Santa keeps floggin his reindeers and I'm still waiting for my electric train set 65 years later.

Can I come to your Christmas party, it sounds like fun?

I haven't had my 4th vaccination shot yet but I can contribute to the conversation.

I might even ask who Leonardo Cohen is😂

Interesting that no politician speaks of either PNG or the Solomon Islands.

Both within almost a stones throw of our Northern borders and vaccination rates among the lowest in the world

Given the billions spent in Oz on this pandemic you might think that a billion spent vaccinating our near neighbours might be a good investment.

56 minutes ago, rjay said:

...and those that can't be vaccinated for medical reasons?

Lets just let them fend for themselves, let them get the worst outcomes too.

Sorry, but that statement is thoughtless.

Sorry rjaj, didn't mean to be. I did say the most vulnerable and fragile may need greater support. If we had a government which displayed any compassion that would not be a problem.

If they can't be vaccinated they would be aware and taking self preservation, if they get the worst outcomes they would be a greater priority for health care than those who had not vaccinated.

This is not a forum where every possible circumstance can be outlined. This is still a very sensitive issue. Suffice to say that the federal government appears to have learnt nothing. Quarantine still an issue, vaccination still an issue. Incompetence revealed at every turn.

32 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting that no politician speaks of either PNG or the Solomon Islands.

Both within almost a stones throw of our Northern borders and vaccination rates among the lowest in the world

Given the billions spent in Oz on this pandemic you might think that a billion spent vaccinating our near neighbours might be a good investment.

https://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/solomon-islands/development-assistance/development-assistance-in-solomon-islands

We already are helping the Solomon Islands.

Problem is we can't give them money to help themselves as Solomon Island politicians are world renowned for their epic levels of corruption when handling public funds. Lived there for 4 years and witnessed it first hand.

 

We are doing enough for the Solomons and I suspect PNG also.

2 hours ago, dieter said:

Jesus who?

Jesus Godson?

another thread corrupted by partisan politics

silly me thought this was a footy forum

as if there aren't enough internet sites already for political brawling and virtue signalling one's political ideology