4 minutes ago, Macca said:

The issue at hand is whether we ban travel from 6 African countries

The to and fro with regards to nearly everything else belongs in the general discussion area

And yes, it is related to footy because if we get a new strain, all bets are off

 

i presume people have travelled already from Africa to the rest of the world 

Banning these would also be necessary  so  here we go again

Next  year we will have other variants and so it goes 

Living with it and managing risk is all part of it and unfortunately it is the reality we all have to bear

14 minutes ago, Macca said:

The issue at hand is whether we ban travel from 6 African countries

The to and fro with regards to nearly everything else belongs in the general discussion area

And yes, it is related to footy because if we get a new strain, all bets are off

 

might have to ban some other countries which have detected it too   e.g. israel, hongkong(china) and others

8 minutes ago, Kent said:

i presume people have travelled already from Africa to the rest of the world 

Banning these would also be necessary  so  here we go again

Next  year we will have other variants and so it goes 

Living with it and managing risk is all part of it and unfortunately it is the reality we all have to bear

Managing the risk has been a real problem so far.

1st world countries have been told that there will be a major issue if they don't get 3rd world countries vaccinated.

...and here it is.

Our answer has been to close down manufacture of the Astra vax...instead we could have used excess production to push it out to 3rd world countries and help in some small way to manage the risk.

Edited November 27, 20213 yr by rjay

11 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

might have to ban some other countries which have detected it too   e.g. israel, hongkong(china) and others

Yes ... clamp down on a number of International flights until we find out more info on the new variant

Or take your chances and ignore (and hope for the best)

Edited November 27, 20213 yr by Macca

19 minutes ago, Kent said:

i presume people have travelled already from Africa to the rest of the world 

Banning these would also be necessary  so  here we go again

Next  year we will have other variants and so it goes 

Living with it and managing risk is all part of it and unfortunately it is the reality we all have to bear

It's a new variant so we adjust our thinking accordingly ... we are not dealing with old info

16 minutes ago, rjay said:

Managing the risk has been a real problem so far.

1st world countries have been told that there will be a major issue if they don't get 3rd world countries vaccinated.

...and here it is.

Our answer has been to close down manufacture of the Astra vax...instead we could have used excess production to push it out to 3rd world countries and help in some small way to manage the risk.

Sensible post.

All spare vaccines (getting close to use by date etc) should be on their way to Africa asap.

This needs to end.

8 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yes ... clamp down on a number of International flights until we find out more info on the new variant

Or take your chances and ignore (and hope for the best)

here an idea "lets have a short sharp lockdown"

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The travel bans on Southern Africa are coming thick and fast.

Pfizer has announced that it can tweak its formula and produce a modified vaccine in 100 days if necessary.

Meanwhile I shall continue watching the 2021 season on replay. Appropriate perhaps that this week's match is against Adelaide.

All good things come to an end.

Could this be the "variant we had to have."

I wonder if Pfizer can tweak their product so I don't get the life threatening reaction that I had to their first vaccine.

all we really know at this stage is that microscopically this new version has multiple mutations

we only have supposition regarding its efficacy etc not hard data

regardless, it is caution first 

If this variant arose in a low vaccinated population then more likely that current vaccines will still be effective against it. I think this is the case in southern Africa

The mutation which I worry about is the one that arises in vaccinated populations and has mutated to avoid the vaccine. The vaccines are leaky so a vaccine resistant mutation is quite likely

58 minutes ago, Kent said:

here an idea "lets have a short sharp lockdown"

No one is calling for a lockdown

Edited November 27, 20213 yr by Macca

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-preparing-to-tighten-quarantine-rules-as-new-variant-emerges-20211127-p59co5.html
 

There you go, god that took forever

35 minutes ago, Dante said:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-preparing-to-tighten-quarantine-rules-as-new-variant-emerges-20211127-p59co5.html
 

There you go, god that took forever

Covid seems to have it's own unique set of rules regarding time ... one day seems like a week or longer,  Dante

Anyway, it's good to see good old Scotty go from 'No concern' to 'We are concerned' in the space of 24 hours.

And Dan was probably getting mildly excited where he might have been able to enact his new pandemic rules.  Lockdown Dan will have to bide his time for now

Mind you, there are 20 from South Africa in isolation up in NT.  With one positive case ... lets hope it's not 'Omicron' and that others from that plane load all test negative

But this Omicron variant will find it's way here soon enough ... fingers crossed it's no more dangerous than the Delta variant

 

31 minutes ago, Macca said:

Covid seems to have it's own unique set of rules regarding time ... one day seems like a week or longer,  Dante

Anyway, it's good to see good old Scotty go from 'No concern' to 'We are concerned' in the space of 24 hours.

And Dan was probably getting mildly excited where he might have been able to enact his new pandemic rules.  Lockdown Dan will have to bide his time for now

Mind you, there are 20 from South Africa in isolation up in NT.  With one positive case ... lets hope it's not 'Omicron' and that others from that plane load all test negative

But this Omicron variant will find it's way here soon enough ... fingers crossed it's no more dangerous than the Delta variant

 

These different strains could go on for ever,  I, for one are not going to worry about it , in Australia covid is about the 38th reason you could die. If I was to spend my time worrying about dying I reckon I may be concerned about the top 5 reasons.

28 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

These different strains could go on for ever,  I, for one are not going to worry about it , in Australia covid is about the 38th reason you could die. If I was to spend my time worrying about dying I reckon I may be concerned about the top 5 reasons.

DD pls stop these fact based logic inspired posts

This is not the place for them😶

22 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

These different strains could go on for ever,  I, for one are not going to worry about it , in Australia covid is about the 38th reason you could die. If I was to spend my time worrying about dying I reckon I may be concerned about the top 5 reasons.

Personally, I'm able to cope quite well and lockdowns are good for my business

But the young deserve a world that they can live in free of undue worry.  I'm a parent and as a parent,  I'd like to imagine that our politicians can lead and govern without any self interest

Morrison banning those international flights aids all the State governments especially here in Victoria (where we do not want any more lockdowns) We need all our governments both State & Federal to work together

I understand the whole numbers bit and the likelyhood of death through covid but the undeniable stat that can't be ignored is how our hospitals could easily be overrun if Covid runs rampant (the overseas models as the pointer)  ICU units included

So with Delta and our high vaccination rate it is looking like a manageable situation but we don't need another stronger strain of covid

Morrison has made the right move. As previously stated,  you don't invite trouble

If the new strain turns out to be no more dangerous than Delta, all that will have happened is the cautious card being played.  No harm done

1 hour ago, Macca said:

But the young deserve a world that they can live in free of undue worry.  I'm a parent and as a parent,  I'd like to imagine that our politicians can lead and govern without any self interest

I am a parent too and a grandparent and I can tell you that the constant media exposure regarding the virus is having a greater damaging effect on the young than the virus itself. Now you might not agree with that but everyone to their own.

1 hour ago, Kent said:

DD pls stop these fact based logic inspired posts

This is not the place for them😶

Sometimes I just can't help myself.

25 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I am a parent too and a grandparent and I can tell you that the constant media exposure regarding the virus is having a greater damaging effect on the young than the virus itself. Now you might not agree with that but everyone to their own.

That doesn't surprise me but let's just for a moment imagine that we took up a stance of completely ignoring covid along with not bothering with vaccines

The disease would be completely out of control, our hospitals full of covid patients with ICU units overflowing

The elderly would be dying by the truckload and chaos would reign supreme

The young being effected by the constant covid talk is unavoidable.  The vaccines offer hope but that's not the end of it. 

So like it or not, we still had to act.  And there cannot be half measures either.  We have reacted here in the same way as nearly every country has.  Lockdowns, vaccinations, the whole box and dice

A lot of the decisions made have been forced upon us.  The reaction from around the world (apart from the deniers) has been to fight back against covid. 

And when new strains emerge, we have to keep upping the ante.  Annoying and time consuming but necessary

This thread doesn't attract the majority of people here.  In fact, most avoid this thread in my view.  Can't say I blame them either

My advice is that if talking about covid is bothersome, don't open the thread

Different viewpoints?  I welcome them

As for a new variant ... when we get to September next season we might be having to deal with a new more potent covid variant (that is more contageous and debilitating) Or the variant we have at the moment - Delta

According to the AFL and their 'Show must go on' mantra, that effectively means that (for instance) 6 or more players could be ruled ineligible to play on the day of a match.  That includes the GF

In overseas sports the game often involves 'squads' rather than our way which often surrounds best 12-15 or at the very least, best 22

So that is the covid connection and until we hear otherwise, that connection stays

In my view, we need some wiggle room rather than a blanket rule.  We could easily end up in a farcical situation otherwise

Edited November 27, 20213 yr by Macca

 

The New York Islanders have 8 players in “covid protocol” and similar to the Ottawa Senators have now had games postponed. They won’t play again until Friday, at the earliest if things go well. 
 

Will be interesting to see how an AFL season plays out next year. 

On 11/26/2021 at 9:08 PM, Dante said:

So if they don't get sick, do they get their money back?

It's like putting someone in jail because you think they may commit a crime.

no it's not

Why do people immediately assume that a new variant is more potent and more importantly more deadly. A successful virus does not kill its host. If you imagine an airbourne virus that kills immediately then that virus will die out as it does not have opportunity to spread. The most successful virus does not kill and it may not have symptoms. Perhaps what we need is a less deadly Covid that we all can catch and get on with life. 

Edit. It is a simplistic view I know, but perhaps an alternative to the chicken littles.

Edited November 28, 20213 yr by ManDee

15 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Why do people immediately assume that a new variant is more potent and more importantly more deadly. A successful virus does not kill its host. If you imagine an airbourne virus that kills immediately then that virus will die out as it does not have opportunity to spread. The most successful virus does not kill and it may not have symptoms. Perhaps what we need is a less deadly Covid that we all can catch and get on with life. 

Edit. It is a simplistic view I know, but perhaps an alternative to the chicken littles.

Omicron