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26 minutes ago, old dee said:

I am mystified by this DD. If they cannot be held in melb. why do you think you would be able to attend interstate. Surely the reason they would be interstate is that we still have cases in Vic. That being the case there is no chance IMO that WA would let Victorians in. Or am I missing something? 

What you might be missing is that the WA Premier makes decisions based on what he believes the community wants most. If the people of Perth would prefer a Grand Final with crowds instead of keeping out interstate travellers who might bring Covid into WA, I could see McGowan allowing crowds.

(By the way, if what I've just suggested is the case, perhaps before we criticise the WA Premier for being so populist, we should consider whether a Premier doing what the people want is just an example of democracy working. In which case, Winston Churchill was right when he said, “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.")

 
27 minutes ago, binman said:

Not even if they were fully vaccinated and had to have a clear PCR prior to flying?

Not much risk in that scenario i would have thought.

That criteria is met by around 70% of the adult returnees to Australia but we still insist upon 14 days hotel quarantine.

The risk equation is set to as close to zero as they can make it especially in WA. 

FWIW I'd put all finals teams in Perth and decide game venues on a weekly basis with reference to border closures.

Not a snowflakes chance in hell is McGowan going to let the average punter into WA for the GF if we have community case of transmission after August 28. Even if they’re fully vaccinated.

And this is precisely why the grand final should be in Adelaide rather than Perth - less onerous border rules but still able to have roughly the same crowd at an equally excellent venue.

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    40 minutes ago, binman said:

    Not even if they were fully vaccinated and had to have a clear PCR prior to flying?

    Not much risk in that scenario i would have thought.

    you and i might think so, binman but it's hard to read the mind of the wa premier and his cho

    1 hour ago, old dee said:

    I am mystified by this DD. If they cannot be held in melb. why do you think you would be able to attend interstate. Surely the reason they would be interstate is that we still have cases in Vic. That being the case there is no chance IMO that WA would let Victorians in. Or am I missing something? 

    Well it was meant to be a joke. Was just missing that small ingredient of it being funny!

    but to try to answer your question if we get out of lockdown next week for example, we would still not be able to have crowds you’d imagine. But we could be able to travel interstate 


    2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    you and i might think so, binman but it's hard to read the mind of the wa premier and his cho

    Agree.

    But surely there would be huge public  support for an injection of $200 million into the state. 

    15 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    That criteria is met by around 70% of the adult returnees to Australia but we still insist upon 14 days hotel quarantine.

    True.

    But If say it is two Victorian teams.

    There is every chance we will be out of lockdown in a week. The gf will still be five weeks after that.

    So, if we were to remain covid free the border to WA might well reopen. 

    So different scenario to international arrivals.

    43 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    What you might be missing is that the WA Premier makes decisions based on what he believes the community wants most. If the people of Perth would prefer a Grand Final with crowds instead of keeping out interstate travellers who might bring Covid into WA, I could see McGowan allowing crowds.

    (By the way, if what I've just suggested is the case, perhaps before we criticise the WA Premier for being so populist, we should consider whether a Premier doing what the people want is just an example of democracy working. In which case, Winston Churchill was right when he said, “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.")

    I still think the first para is very unlikely. 

     
    2 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

    Had both my jabs, have a GF guarantee membership and happy to turn up to watch wherever it’s played.

    im not missing out on our best shot in ages for anything. it’s about time the authorities consider those fully vaccinated being allowed entry into these events.

    Yeah but what about those of us that are unable to get both jabs in that time due to not meeting medical requirements?

    Younger people have stayed at home and done the right thing to protect older demographics, and it sends a a terrible message if they can’t go to things because they aren’t yet fully vaccinated through no fault of their own.

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    5 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

    Yeah but what about those of us that are unable to get both jabs in that time due to not meeting medical requirements?

    Younger people have stayed at home and done the right thing to protect older demographics, and it sends a a terrible message if they can’t go to things because they aren’t yet fully vaccinated through no fault of their own.

    Exactly. I'm not eligible for Pfizer, so why should me and my $650 membership miss out?

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    1 hour ago, DubDee said:

    Well it was meant to be a joke. Was just missing that small ingredient of it being funny!

    FWIW, I find it very funny 😆 

    Especially the thought of 5000 sadsacks at Kardinia Park. Geelong isn’t even interstate. 😂

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    Realised that although Geelong and Melbz are poles apart in almost every sense, they’re still both in Vic.

    2 hours ago, binman said:

    In all seriousness, if the Grand Final is in Perth, i could see McGowan allowing participating club members (except any from NSW) to come to WA.  

    But only if fully vaccinated. And perhaps with a clear PCR test within 24 hours of flying in.

    I couldn't 'bin'...

    He's done nothing to show this so far.

    No way would he take the chance now, it would be of no benefit for him to do it.

    Particularly if he already has the GF sown up.

    ...and the AFL won't have a bargaining chip if they want a crowd.

    I think you're dreamin'

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    1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Not a snowflakes chance in hell is McGowan going to let the average punter into WA for the GF if we have community case of transmission after August 28. Even if they’re fully vaccinated.

    And this is precisely why the grand final should be in Adelaide rather than Perth - less onerous border rules but still able to have roughly the same crowd at an equally excellent venue.

    They won't let you in either...and don't touch the footy.

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    1 hour ago, DubDee said:

    Well it was meant to be a joke. Was just missing that small ingredient of it being funny!

    but to try to answer your question if we get out of lockdown next week for example, we would still not be able to have crowds you’d imagine. But we could be able to travel interstate 

    Sorry DD I must need to replace the batteries in my humour detector.


    6 minutes ago, rjay said:

    I couldn't 'bin'...

    He's done nothing to show this so far.

    No way would he take the chance now, it would be of no benefit for him to do it.

    Particularly if he already has the GF sown up.

    ...and the AFL won't have a bargaining chip if they want a crowd.

    I think you're dreamin'

    You're probably right rj,

    I'm clutching at straws. I feel sick at the thought of the dees plying in a grand final and not being there. 

    One of those straws is that there is still time for crowds at the G to be possible. The GF is 6 and half weeks away. If we get to low - zero cases by Thursday week - which is a good chance i think - then there is 5 weeks to navigate.  

    If there continues to be low - zero cases then say two weeks with no crowds. Then three weeks of building up to say 50% capacity.  

    And reward the club members and give tickets only to them.

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    15 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    If this happens we can forget the next few weeks the Dees will win it for certain. After 57 years we are guaranteed to win it in WA with crowd with a couple of thousand of our WA members / supporters in attendance . 

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    17 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    I wonder if they’d look at bringing finals back to the MCG for the prelim if they can get 40K to the game. And then unfortunately move the show back to Optus for the GF.

    Can’t see crowds for week 1 in VIC but can for 18 Sep if this outbreak dies down by the end of the month.

    I’m sure the Dees would love to play a home final (if earned the right) at the G in front of the faithful as opposed to Optus.

    1 hour ago, wonnabeeri said:

    Exactly. I'm not eligible for Pfizer, so why should me and my $650 membership miss out?

    Because the WA premier could not give a rat's a... About you membership fee. His attitude will be grand final here with fans. Oh they will be WA fans,

    PS the AFL won't care about your membership either.

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    24 minutes ago, binman said:

    You're probably right rj,

    I'm clutching at straws. I feel sick at the thought of the dees plying in a grand final and not being there. 

    One of those straws is that there is still time for crowds at the G to be possible. The GF is 6 and half weeks away. If we get to low - zero cases by Thursday week - which is a good chance i think - then there is 5 weeks to navigate.  

    If there continues to be low - zero cases then say two weeks with no crowds. Then three weeks of building up to say 50% capacity.  

    And reward the club members and give tickets only to them.

    Get off the acid binman.

    10 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Because the WA premier could not give a rat's a... About you membership fee. His attitude will be grand final here with fans. Oh they will be WA fans,

    PS the AFL won't care about your membership either.

    Old dee you are making too much common sense for this thread.

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    24 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Because the WA premier could not give a rat's a... About you membership fee. His attitude will be grand final here with fans. Oh they will be WA fans,

    PS the AFL won't care about your membership either.

    24 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Because the WA premier could not give a rat's a... About you membership fee. His attitude will be grand final here with fans. Oh they will be WA fans,

    PS the AFL won't care about your membership either.

    who mentioned anything about the WA premier? We were talking about vaccination requirements.

     
    10 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Better hope it isn't WA.  McCowan has said he doesn't 'expect' many attendees from interstate.  'Expect' or 'allow' - yes I'm being cynical.

    He is capable of the dastardly when it comes to borders eg a flimsy reason to backdate 14 day quarantine for arrivals from eg Victoria.  Any border clampdown will give him a lot more seats to sell to corporates and locals. 

    It’s not cynical it’s illogical 

    Mcgowan gets no money for corporate or locals attending.

    It’s economics and common sense

    The money from the grand final goes to the AFL, who need to recoup lost revenue.

    Any border clampdown is to try and prevent COVID getting into the state and the flow on negative impact to the WA economy 

    He doesn’t expect many attendees, that’s not hard to fathom, 7 to 8 day turn around to knowing your team has made the GF and booking flights/obtaining tickets and accommodation. Flights and accomodation will be at a premium as they always are for Grand Finals. That goes without travel restrictions being considered 

    The players have continually said they prefer playing in front of crowds.

    Cant actually believe supporters are actually saying I’d rather wait for the Dees to win a flag next year at the G, so I can be there. Talk about self centred.

    Similar things were said last year, when we were travelling well.FCS there are no guarantees with this pandemic.

    If we can win one this year I’m taking it, whether it be at the G, Gabba, AO or Optus. But I want to see the Dees win it in front of the biggest crowd possible and I’m sure the players would want to win it in front of a full house given the option

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