Jump to content

COVID & AFL 2021

Demonland
Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

10 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I really think people do not understand that the issues with AZ (and any other drug) are all about risk management. When Covid numbers are low (or non-existent), the risks associated with having the AZ vaccination are considered to be higher than catching Covid. Hence, the recommendation not to use it. When the numbers of Covid increase and ergo the chances of catching it increase, the risks associated with AZ are no longer as problematic as the risk of catching and being affected by Covid. That's when the health advice changes to recommending people have an AZ shot.

That leads to two conclusions. Firstly, the AZ vaccine is still a fine product which will provide protection, albeit with a very small risk of ill effects for some people. Secondly, when you chop and change the advice - based on sound risk-based probability analysis - it can be too late, because in doing so, you've unfairly and unnecessarily trashed the brand.

Agree, but it's not just chopping and changing advice, it's letting distrust, misinformation and panic set in by being lax (in the extreme) on messaging around the entire vaccination program.

    • Like 2
     

    Meanwhile The Age is reporting both Brisbane and GC are leaving Queensland today: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lions-head-to-melbourne-suns-on-the-move-20210629-p5854s.html

    Whilst Brisbane was always planning to come here early before going to Adelaide, GC is supposed to be hosting Richmond on the GC on Thursday night. So if this report is correct, change is afoot.

    A Victorian hub for the next 1-3 weeks is looking increasingly likely.

    • Like 1
    7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    Agree, but it's not just chopping and changing advice, it's letting distrust, misinformation and panic set in by being lax (in the extreme) on messaging around the entire vaccination program.

    I think it more than that titan, I think the Government put too much trust in AZ and missed an opportunity to spread the risk by buying more mRNA's

    • Like 1
     
    24 minutes ago, ManDee said:

    I think it more than that titan, I think the Government put too much trust in AZ and missed an opportunity to spread the risk by buying more mRNA's

    Exactly my take on it Man Dee  Morrison trusted his mate at AZ and was let down

    Prudence would dictate you spread your risk and dont go early to extract some small political gain

    • Like 1

    48 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    A Victorian hub for the next 1-3 weeks is looking increasingly likely.

     

    Bwahhhaa. Finally my vsion is becoming a reality. I sent the email below to Gil last year.

    Theey implemented my hub idea last year, but frustratingly did not credit me, publicly at least. I'm still waiting for the recognition - and AFL life membership

    But last years hub was no good for us down here in the home of football. Now my Melbourne hub proposal is finally coming to fruition. Gill has listened. And my AFL life membership is assured

    I will write to Gil again and suggest some cool tweaks to last year’s proposal: 

    • Base a couple of teams in G town and train and play at Kardinia park.  
    • Base a couple of teams in  Ballarat and train and play at Eureka Oval 
    • The regions win with these two options
    • Play some games at Princess park, Whitten Oval and Moorabbin, and maybe even Punt road for [censored] and giggles, as they are AFL ready and would bring footy back to the ‘burbs.

    VFL football is back baby. 
     

    From: binman
    Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2020 9:11 PM
    To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
    Subject: an idea

    Hi (to whom it may concern),

    Looking at the contact list on the AFL site it wasn’t clear where I should send this email to and the [email protected] address seemed as good as any.

    I know the AFL must have been inundated with all sort of ideas about how to proceed in these crazy times. Well, I have another one to throw into the mix. The idea is relatively simple and whilst it has its obvious complexities I think relatively doable.

    The idea is as follows:

    Semi isolate all 18  AFL teams, all their players, support staff (coaching staff, medical teams etc) and umpires in one city for the next six weeks, which is before the expected peak of Covid 19 in say May-June when it is inevitable all games will need to be cancelled. No families or, partners or friends. No non-essential club personnel . I estimate that would be approximately 1200 people. All admin and FD staff could video conference as required.

    Test every player at the start of the six weeks.

    In the six weeks play games back to back at a single venue – for example lets say the MCG, Adelaide Oval or god forbid marvel. Each team plays say 8 games – so nearly half the planned 17 games.

    Completely book out say six  hotels close to the playing venue (so you would only have 200 or so at any one hotel spread out over multiple floors and everyone their own room) and smash out the games.

    Hotels will  be completely empty soon enough  and would love all their rooms fully booked  for six weeks. A good deal could be brokered I suspect.

    Say it was at the G you could book the Pullman and five other hotels in a the CBD (all within a 2-3km radius). Teams rotate training on the G and at Goshs paddock, Marvel stadium, AAMI Park, Punt Road and Collingwood's training ground. All in walking distance so no buses required (minimising transmission risk).

    No planes required for players after initial flights into Melbourne for the 8 interstate sides so minimising air travel and need to transit through airports. Also minimise teams having to stay at random hotels and mixing with the public when playing at interstate venues.

    All team would obviously need spaces for rehab, weights, medicals, match debriefs, team meetings, dieticians etc etc.

    But all hotels have large meetings spaces, conference rooms and smaller meeting rooms. And of course proper kitchens and no doubt medical facilities.

    All of the hotels have their own gyms. Probably not up to the standard need but AAMI park, Punt road and the g all have gyms etc. Gyms in the CBD will likely be closed so each club could hire their own gym 24-7 (and cut a good deal as gyms will otherwise likely close).

    In addition to using Marvel stadium for training (or as the match venue) it has any number of meetings spaces, i assume a gym and entertainment areas if it was felt that was useful. The g has also has all sorts of meeting spaces.

    For Collingwood, Richmond and the Dees it would hardly be different (apart from living in a hotel of course) as they would use their own grounds, weights room, meeting spaces  etc . Completely clean their spaces and the next team gets their turn. Repeat at the G and Marvel.

    The CBD will be practically empty soon so players could get out and about a little bit. Book out some cinemas (which will be empty) and other entertainment options where players could spread out, so they have something to do.

    Plenty of parks to wander around for positive head space and a nice hotel room to go back to.

    Relatively cost effective, particularly given the costs of chartering planes and having teams fly and stay interstate.

    Channel 7 and fox can leave all their equipment in place. Could be game every night, which both broadcasters would love given the paucity of live sport ATM.

    Money will continue to flow to the clubs and the AFL. Which will be critical. And may save some clubs.

    And it will be good for everyone’ morale to be able to watch some footy.

    The AFL would have measure of control that the simply won’t be able to achieve in other scenarios.

    Of course players and staff would be away from family but that's workable for six weeks.

    And of course there are any number of issues and complexities that would have to be resolved. But there will be with whatever option is pursued

    It could work

    Please forward this email to Gill and his team. Gill is a fella who thinks outside the square and I reckon if he hasn’t thought of it already my idea might, at the least, be of some curiosity value.

    Cheers

    binman

     

    • Like 2
    1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

    Meanwhile The Age is reporting both Brisbane and GC are leaving Queensland today: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lions-head-to-melbourne-suns-on-the-move-20210629-p5854s.html

    Whilst Brisbane was always planning to come here early before going to Adelaide, GC is supposed to be hosting Richmond on the GC on Thursday night. So if this report is correct, change is afoot.

    A Victorian hub for the next 1-3 weeks is looking increasingly likely.

    Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

    • Like 1
    7 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

    Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

    geelong or ballarat i suspect

    same could be true for the meth coke game

     

    The hysteria around this thing is unbelievable.

    "Cases, we have cases"!!!!!! 

    Watch Paul Murray each night, who is now giving the numbers on how many of these cases are actually sick, or in hospital. Tip, it's bugger all.

    The politicians seem to be giddy over all of these new found powers to shut down your businesses and many on here seem to be excited at the thought of more lockdowns provided it's in Liberal run states.

    It's the pollies who are pushing the hysteria, aided by a sensationalist media writing for lemmings who read the stuff.

     

     

    • Like 2
    • Haha 1
    17 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

    Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

    Depends how things track on the GC - no new cases in Vic.

    For selfish reasons I'd love it at Metricon (I'm an hour away in NNSW and haven't been to a game for a lonnng time) but for team first, at the G also good.


    2 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    The hysteria around this thing is unbelievable.

    "Cases, we have cases"!!!!!! 

    Watch Paul Murray each night, who is now giving the numbers on how many of these cases are actually sick, or in hospital. Tip, it's bugger all.

    The politicians seem to be giddy over all of these new found powers to shut down your businesses and many on here seem to be excited at the thought of more lockdowns provided it's in Liberal run states.

    It's the pollies who are pushing the hysteria, aided by a sensationalist media writing for lemmings who read the stuff.

     

     

    Delta has an R0 between 5 and 6. Without a very substantial proportion being vaccinated, the risk without lockdowns/controls/restrictions falls on very large numbers and hospitalisations. AFAICT, the calculus has not changed since last year as we don't have a large proportion vaccinated.

    Looking at it the other way, if you let this thing run (ref: Sweden) and lots of people die/end up in hospital (affecting provision of other services) which probably leads to stricter/long term lockdowns, what would you prefer.

    Not defending decisions, just laying down some probable rationale...

    PS: there is already an acknowledgement that once most of us are vaccinated and borders open the focus will change to hospitalisations and not new cases/case numbers.

    Edited by Superunknown

    • Like 3
    13 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Watch Paul Murray each night, who is now giving the numbers on how many of these cases are actually sick, or in hospital. Tip, it's bugger all.

     

    Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

    • Like 3
    • Haha 2

    A Victoria hub just as we are about to play Port would be magnificent. 
    Go on SA, [censored] your pants and shut the border to Victoria. You know you want to. You implemented restrictions with 0 cases. Better be safe!

    • Like 2
    • Haha 3

    On the train heading in for my second AZ jab. Told the girls if I don't make it sprinkle my ashes on the MCG when we win the flag ?

    Just joking - (about the MCG I mean, not the jab) what have we had? A couple of deaths from millions of vaccines? Get vaxed up ya wusses - only way out of this chaos. You're taking a greater risk sitting near the Essendon cheers squad.

    • Like 2

    QLD going into a 3 day lockdown. Explains why the QLD teams abandoned state. 
    Bring on the Victorian hub and let’s keep it going until the end of September. Cheers. 

    • Like 1

    54 minutes ago, binman said:

    Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

    Poor taste dig removed. Sorry

    Edited by ManDee

    23 minutes ago, binman said:

    Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

    binman, it is indeed interesting that you comment in a negative way about facts that are sourced from the state governments themselves. No leftist commentator wants to go anywhere near the hospitalization numbers, because it gives a clearer picture of the hysterical overreactions to this virus. It's all cases, cases, cases.

    Hospital numbers don't change because of the messenger.

    • Like 3
    48 minutes ago, binman said:

    Mmm, in poker terminology, this is quite a tell. 

     

    21 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    binman, it is indeed interesting that you comment in a negative way about facts that are sourced from the state governments themselves. No leftist commentator wants to go anywhere near the hospitalization numbers, because it gives a clearer picture of the hysterical overreactions to this virus. It's all cases, cases, cases.

    Hospital numbers don't change because of the messenger.

    Faulty I fail to see this as a negative comment. Perhaps you object to being aligned with the views of Paul Murray for some reason. 

    • Like 1
    1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

    Suns vs Dees in a few weeks will be an interesting watch this space type of deal. Could turn into a local game for us.

    That's still three weeks away.

    Queensland's gone into lockdown very early, with only three new cases today. Previous very early lockdowns in Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide have been short and successful. Even though this is the Delta variant, I'd say the odds right now are that Queensland will be out of lockdown by the time of our game against GC.

    Indeed, I foresee a modicum of bad luck against us with this arrangement. The Dogs had no crowd vs West Coast. Carlton's going to get its trip to Perth brought back to Victoria, as is Richmond with its trip to the GC.

    Our next interstate trip is to Adelaide and right now that is the only interstate trip that is not in COVID jeopardy. So we won't "benefit" from a Victorian hub unless the SA-Vic border closes in either direction, and at the moment that's not on the cards.

    And that's on top of us being the only side to have two home games lost during the Victorian lockdown.

    Not trying to make this a "woe is us" thing. Just pointing out what I foresee to be bad luck - we could lose home games to the Victorian lockdown and then not "benefit" from the NSW, Queensland or WA lockdowns.

     


    5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    That's still three weeks away.

    Queensland's gone into lockdown very early, with only three new cases today. Previous very early lockdowns in Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide have been short and successful. Even though this is the Delta variant, I'd say the odds right now are that Queensland will be out of lockdown by the time of our game against GC.

    Indeed, I foresee a modicum of bad luck against us with this arrangement. The Dogs had no crowd vs West Coast. Carlton's going to get its trip to Perth brought back to Victoria, as is Richmond with its trip to the GC.

    Our next interstate trip is to Adelaide and right now that is the only interstate trip that is not in COVID jeopardy. So we won't "benefit" from a Victorian hub unless the SA-Vic border closes in either direction, and at the moment that's not on the cards.

    And that's on top of us being the only side to have two home games lost during the Victorian lockdown.

    Not trying to make this a "woe is us" thing. Just pointing out what I foresee to be bad luck - we could lose home games to the Victorian lockdown and then not "benefit" from the NSW, Queensland or WA lockdowns.

     

    I agree re the CG game. I think that will go ahead as planned.
    Port is coming to Victoria this week to play Hawthorn. It’s possible that in order to avoid any issues with borders in SA suddenly shutting that they will ask them to stay here for another week to ensure our game goes ahead without any issues. As realistically if SA shuts their border to Victoria there are no states left to play in except Tassie, and I assume Port would rather get some much needed practice playing on the G than down in Tassie (and Tassie could well close their borders too). 

    • Like 1
     
    2 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    Thats right they had 0 cases in WA today. We are living in cuckoo land with this covid nonsense.

    • Like 2

    Guest
    This topic is now closed to further replies.
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • PREVIEW: Essendon

      As the focus of the AFL moves exclusively to South Australia for Gather Round, the question is raised as to what are we going to get from the  Melbourne Football Club this weekend? Will it be a repeat of the slop fest of the last three weeks that have seen the team score a measly 174 points and concede 310 or will a return to the City of Churches and the scene where they performed at their best in 2024 act as a wakeup call and bring them out of their early season reverie? 
      Or will the sleepy Dees treat their fans to a reenactment of their lazy effort from the first Gather Round of two years ago when they allowed the Bombers to trample all over them on a soggy and wet Adelaide Oval? The two examples from above tell us how fickle form can be in football. Last year, a committed group of players turned up in Adelaide with a businesslike mindset. They had a plan, went in confidently and hard for the football and kicked winning scores against both home teams in a difficult environment for visitors. And they repeated that sort of effort later in the season when they played Essendon at the MCG. Unfortunately, performances like these went against the grain of what Melbourne has been producing from virtually midway through 2024 and extending right through to the present day. This is a game between two clubs who have faltered over the past couple of years because their disposal efficiency is appalling. Neither of them can hit the side of a barn door but history tells us that every once in a while such teams have their lucky days or come up against an opponent in even worse shape and hence, one of them will come up trumps in this match.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Essendon

      Facing the very real and daunting prospect of starting the season with five straight losses, the Demons head to South Australia for the annual Gather Round, where they’ll take on the Bombers in search of their first win of the year. Who comes in, and who comes out?

        • Like
      • 224 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 05

      Gather Round is here, kicking off with a Thursday night blockbuster as Adelaide faces Geelong. The Crows will be out for redemption after a controversial loss last week. Saturday starts with the Magpies taking on the Swans. Collingwood will be eager to cement their spot in the top eight, while Sydney is hot on their heels. In the Barossa Valley, two rising sides go head-to-head in a fascinating battle to prove they're the real deal. Later, Carlton and West Coast face off at Adelaide Oval, both desperate to notch their first win of the season. The action then shifts to Norwood, where the undefeated Lions will aim to keep their streak alive against the Bulldogs. Sunday’s games begin in the Barossa with Richmond up against Fremantle. In Norwood, the Saints will be looking to take a scalp when they come up against the Giants. The round concludes with a fiery rematch of last year's semi-final, as the Hawks seek revenge for their narrow loss to Port Adelaide. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • 15 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Geelong

      There was a time in the second quarter of the game at the Cattery on Friday afternoon when the Casey Demons threatened to take the game apart against the Cats. The Demons had been well on top early but were struggling to convert their ascendancy over the ground until Tom Fullarton’s burst of three goals in the space of eight minutes on the way to a five goal haul and his best game for the club since arriving from Brisbane at the end of 2023. He was leading, marking and otherwise giving his opponents a merry dance as Casey grabbed a three goal lead in the blink of an eye. Fullarton has now kicked ten goals in Casey’s three matches and, with Melbourne’s forward conversion woes, he is definitely in with a chance to get his first game with the club in next week’s Gather Round in Adelaide. Despite the tall forward’s efforts - he finished with 19 disposals and eight marks and had four hit outs as back up to Will Verrall in the second half - it wasn’t enough as Geelong reigned in the lead through persistent attacks and eventually clawed their way to the lead early in the last and held it till they achieved the end aim of victory.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Geelong

      I was disappointed to hear Goody say at his post match presser after the team’s 39 point defeat against Geelong that "we're getting high quality entry, just poor execution" because Melbourne’s problems extend far beyond that after its 0 - 4 start to the 2025 football season. There are clearly problems with poor execution, some of which were evident well before the current season and were in play when the Demons met the Cats in early May last year and beat them in a near top-of-the-table clash that saw both sides sitting comfortably in the top four after round eight. Since that game, the Demons’ performances have been positively Third World with only five wins in 19 games with a no longer majestic midfield and a dysfunctional forward line that has become too easy for opposing coaches to counter. This is an area of their game that is currently being played out as if they were all completely panic-stricken.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 04

      Round 4 kicks off with a blockbuster on Thursday night as traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton clash at the MCG, with the Magpies looking to assert themselves as early-season contenders and the Blues seeking their first win of the season. Saturday opens with Gold Coast hosting Adelaide, a key test for the Suns as they aim to back up their big win last week, while the Crows will be looking to keep their perfect record intact. Reigning wooden spooners Richmond have the daunting task of facing reigning premiers Brisbane at the ‘G and the Lions will be eager to reaffirm their premiership credentials after a patchy start. Saturday night sees North Melbourne take on Sydney at Marvel Stadium, with the Swans looking to build on their first win of the season last week against a rebuilding Roos outfit. Sunday’s action begins with GWS hosting West Coast at ENGIE Stadium, a game that could get ugly very early for the visitors. Port Adelaide vs St Kilda at Adelaide Oval looms as a interesting clash, with both clubs form being very hard to read. The round wraps up with Fremantle taking on the Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium in what could be a fierce contest between two sides with top-eight ambitions. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

        • Shocked
        • Like
      • 273 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All