VOTES: Rd 10 vs Adelaide

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 11,064]

21 Votes Clarry

Don't know if this has already been pointed out, but Oliver lead pretty much every key stat for the game.

Goals - Oliver

Marks - Gawn

Score involvements - Oliver

Disposals - Oliver

Tackles - Oliver & Jordon

Contested possessions - Oliver

 

Talk about a powerhouse.  There are some games where I don't notice Oliver's workman like burrowing and dishing off as much, but this game he was phenomenal.  If we had got up, it would have been due to Oliver.  When we got belated by the Dogs pre-season, I think his absence was a key factor.  Not scared of the Dogs on Friday night with Clarry in the guts.  Such a key cog in our machine.

[jnrmac 20,385]

Oliver 6

 

no on else deserves any

[DubDee 26,709]

  On 22/05/2021 at 14:51, MurDoc516 said:

I cannot fathom giving votes to Gawn. He was up against one of the worst Ruckman in the league today. His game was all stats no product and to top it off, he made 2-3 mistakes that led directly to goals for the crows. Not good enough for the votes.

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Gawn had a good solid game unlike a lot of the team. 
20 touches at 85%
10 marks including 5 contested

good ruck work and a goal

he had a big influence on the game. The crows  had to change the way they moved the bell as he was marking everything down the line 

[Jaded No More 68,976]

Oliver gets even more points for his post match interview. Asked about his own game he said “it doesn’t matter we lost”. 
Players like him make good teams into champion teams. 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

  On 22/05/2021 at 22:20, Swooper1987 said:

Have a look at the Crows Coach presser. You might form a different view. Yet you include Petracca who made many more errors than Gawn, and Jackson because of?

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Re-watch the momentum swings in the 3rd and the last. Jackson was rucking and winning us clearances.

[Swooper1987 3,322]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:21, DubDee said:

Gawn had a good solid game unlike a lot of the team. 
20 touches at 85%
10 marks including 5 contested

good ruck work and a goal

he had a big influence on the game. The crows  had to change the way they moved the bell as he was marking everything down the line 

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Exactly.  Nicks said as much after the game in his presser.  I just don't get the chronic underestimation of Gawn's performance on here.  Every other club in the competition would kill to have a ruck as dominant as he is.  He took one less mark last night than NicNat took in the entire season 2020!  That's how good he is.  And people harp on about the one or two he might drop occasionally. Just staggering!

[deegirl 1,595]

All the votes to Oliver. The second half was ridiculous. Insane. 
 

Thought Gawn & Trac made uncharacteristic mistakes but also think they are quality types who will take those mistakes and learn. 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:21, DubDee said:

Gawn had a good solid game unlike a lot of the team. 
20 touches at 85%
10 marks including 5 contested

good ruck work and a goal

he had a big influence on the game. The crows  had to change the way they moved the bell as he was marking everything down the line 

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The Crows were chipping it short the entire game when they weren't running through the middle with handballs. Just saying they weren't kicking it long because Gawn was down the line is disingenuous, they were as scared of Lever as the 3rd man because they didn't have a tall to man mark on him.

End of the day you're pointing out stats but like i said, i felt Gawn was all stats little influence. Jackson had a 5minute window in that 3rd were he rucked and it swung momentum. How is Gawn against an awful ruckman not giving us first use but Jackson is?

[Swooper1987 3,322]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:31, MurDoc516 said:

Re-watch the momentum swings in the 3rd and the last. Jackson was rucking and winning us clearances.

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So in your estimation Jackson was a more influential player than Gawn over the entire game. Righto then, just proves we see things differently.

[Swooper1987 3,322]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:33, MurDoc516 said:

The Crows were chipping it short the entire game when they weren't running through the middle with handballs. Just saying they weren't kicking it long because Gawn was down the line is disingenuous, they were as scared of Lever as the 3rd man because they didn't have a tall to man mark on him.

End of the day you're pointing out stats but like i said, i felt Gawn was all stats little influence. Jackson had a 5minute window in that 3rd were he rucked and it swung momentum. How is Gawn against an awful ruckman not giving us first use but Jackson is?

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Did you watch Nicks presser?

[MurDoc516 1,529]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:31, Swooper1987 said:

Exactly.  Nicks said as much after the game in his presser.  I just don't get the chronic underestimation of Gawn's performance on here.  Every other club in the competition would kill to have a ruck as dominant as he is.  He took one less mark last night than NicNat took in the entire season 2020!  That's how good he is.  And people harp on about the one or two he might drop occasionally. Just staggering!

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Two of his dropped marks led to Adelaide goals. Lever gets killed if he makes one mistake. I'm not saying Gawn was bad. I see a lot more positive performances then most here, but Gawn literally gave up 2, maybe 3 goals due to errors. His overall influence in a positive sense is hampered by those costly errors.

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:34, Swooper1987 said:

So in your estimation Jackson was a more influential player than Gawn over the entire game. Righto then, just proves we see things differently.

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Isn't that the point of a forum for discussion? In my eyes i'd rather Jackson who i can't recall doing any major errors leading to opposition goals and competed well all night. 

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[Turner 1,516]

6 oliver

5 lever

4 gawn

3 langdon

2 pickett

1 petracca

[MurDoc516 1,529]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:35, Swooper1987 said:

Did you watch Nicks presser?

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No, but i don't see how that changes anything i've said. What Nicks said is hardly ground breaking. Every team in the league knows kicking a high long ball to a contest is death vs Melbourne this season. Why? Lever, May, Gawn and Jackson are always playing as a loose behind the ball.

Gawn's presence behind the ball is the same as Lever's. The Crows knew what to expect when kicking it long. Lever had more Intercept marks and spoils and more a ton more intercept possesions.

[Swooper1987 3,322]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:38, MurDoc516 said:

 

Isn't that the point of a forum for discussion? In my eyes i'd rather Jackson who i can't recall doing any major errors leading to opposition goals and competed well all night. 

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Plenty of players can make no errors but have little influence.  By the way, Jackson dropped a number of marks but I put that down to his finger injury.  I have no issue in you having a differing view but to say that you disagree with all those people who felt Gawn was in the best 6 Melbourne players last night, plus the Age, the Herald Sun and the opposition coach I think warrants scrutiny.  That you believe his mistakes contributed to two or possibly three Adelaide goals (I'm not sure what the third was but I can only guess it might have been the tap intercepted by Rowe who wasn't properly checked by Hibberd), yet don't apply the same level of rigour over any other errors made by Melbourne players stands out like a beacon.  I'll stand by my view that Gawn was our second most influential player last night, that he made some mistakes but that the good (and excellent) far outweighed the bad and that we are a much better team with him than without him.

[DubDee 26,709]

  On 23/05/2021 at 00:33, MurDoc516 said:

The Crows were chipping it short the entire game when they weren't running through the middle with handballs. Just saying they weren't kicking it long because Gawn was down the line is disingenuous, they were as scared of Lever as the 3rd man because they didn't have a tall to man mark on him.

End of the day you're pointing out stats but like i said, i felt Gawn was all stats little influence. Jackson had a 5minute window in that 3rd were he rucked and it swung momentum. How is Gawn against an awful ruckman not giving us first use but Jackson is?

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Mate cmon. Watch the first half and see how the crows moved the ball. Disingenuous? Please. 
I agree he made some errors but he played a lot better than most of the team. 
 

we clearly disagree. it’s a forum, no worries. 

[Gator 18,054]

  On 22/05/2021 at 09:45, goodoil said:

6. Clayton Oliver

5. Christian Petracca

4. Max Gwn

3. Jake Lever

2. Ed Langdon

1. James Harmes

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Ditto.

[reynolds46 1,310]

Oliver 

 

Lever

Petracca 

Gawn

Jackson 

ANB

[Jaded No More 68,976]

Harmes did a really good job on Sloane. But my god he has to know his limitations. He and Trac tried to do far too much with the ball. Too many dicky handballs and idiotic kicks. They were not alone but I expect more from them. 

[BigFez 1,491]

The most that Daylight has ever deserved the 5 votes.

As good as an individual performance you'd be lucky enough to see by young Clayton.  Phenomenal.

[Demonland 74,465]

It should be of no surprise to anyone that Clarrie got full marks for his game yesterday:-

101. Clayton Oliver

78. Christian Petracca

66. Christian Salem

65. Jake Lever 

64. Max Gawn

53. Ed Langdon

44. Tom McDonald

31. Steven May

26. Kysiah Pickett

25. Luke Jackson

17. Bayley Fritsch

12. Jayden Hunt

10. Jack Viney

9. James Harmes

8. James Jordon

7. Michael Hibberd  

3. Angus Brayshaw Charlie Spargo

1. Alex Neal-Bullen Trent Rivers Adam Tomlinson

[Deemania since 56 6,810]

6. Oliver 

5. Langdon

4. Lever

3. Petracca

2. Harmes

1. Gawn

[dieter 3,325]

6: Oliver

5: Petracca

4: Lever

3: Langdon

2: Gawn

1: Jackson

[Swooper1987 3,322]

The Age votes:

9. Oliver (makes you wonder what a 10 might look like)

8. Keays

8. Petracca

8. Laird

8. Gawn 

Total:

Wines 68

Oliver 60

Walsh 55

Laird 54

Bontempelli 54

Macrae 54

Lyons 53

Gawn 45

The Demons and Bulldogs have four of the top 8 players between them.  

[picket fence 18,190]

Now lets see 6+5+4+3+2+1 = 21 ah ok so 21 to this guy!