The political machinations at Collingwood

[Guest]

Correct weight @binman

Eddie is a master of PR spin and the maintaining of, and boosting of his good old boys network through his media soap box.

Another two examples of this (directly involving our club) would be when CS was sacked in 2013. Eddie was straight onto Triple M talking about how the Footy World would be a worse place without the caliber of men like Cameron Schwab. I’ll admit some of the vitriol can be over the top about CS, but I wonder if Eddie would actually remember he is a footy journo and go over the record of that regime? Perhaps there was a reason why he’d been sacked? Listening to Ed, you barely would have known.

The other was when he unilaterally took the QB game from us in 2019. I’m not going to say for a second Collingwood had no right to eventually claim the gate for that. Let’s be blunt. Their massive support base is the reason that makes bank and it was very generous for them to give us the profits every year.

However, as we (a club whose profit/loss making potential  is much more volatile than theirs) were the away team in the ANZAC eve match, had just sold our pokies (meaning we needed to find a new revenue stream) and were one year away from COVID (to be fair to Ed, we didn’t know this at the time), it would have been nice to have been given more than 3 months notice before Eddie decided to do this.

In true Eddie form, he started his PR war immediately by claiming that he’d spoken to Bill Guest, and he was going to facilitate this.

Bill Guest hasn’t been on the Melbourne board for a good 20 years, and has been polarizing due to various (and I will clearly state these are potentially defamatory, so I won’t vouch for their veracity) accusations and partisan allegiances. How he would have that sway to talk the board around is beyond me, but it didn’t matter. In the eyes of the casual punter, we were amenable to his proposal, and Collingwood as well as Eddie were totally justified in what they’d done. The PR war was won. Eddie had boosted the profile of his mates, got what he wanted and all was copacetic.

I’d also add that media commentary concerning Adam Goodes and Heritier Lumumba seemed to be a bit too coordinated and consistent for my liking at the time. This was shown during ‘The Last Quarter’ in devastating implied fashion (and made me walk away from the game up until the day Eddie was sacked).

Was it any surprise that ‘Do Better’ explicitly stated that Collingwood had a record of backgrounding to the media against recalcitrant and objecting players who dared to question the bigoted culture of the club?

Edited May 20, 2021 by Colin B. Flaubert
Had to clean segments up as I get pretty indignant when thinking about Eddie and his shenanigans.

[radar 1,865]

3 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

Shocking to hear, he is regarded as some sort of clap happy evangelical leader by the Collingwood faithful.

Wasn’t he paired with some ABC presenter or AGE journo?

Hope any alleged victim gets appropriate counselling/support etc

[DubDee 24,351]

Or as Robbo from 360 would say - Makka-Nations

[Demonstone 21,764]

[dl4e 5,843]

It has taken me a while to get around to reading this thread. Isn't it a wonderful situation to see the filth beating themselves up. I can't tell you how much I absolutely hate the filth. May they suffer the same if not worse degeneration as essenscum.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,701]

20 hours ago, binman said:

McGuire is one of the most self focused people in football and trades on the old school, boys club network of 'mates' to have his back and in return he has theirs.

All well and good. Except when a president of a football club

If you want to get an understanding of how he operates check this clip out:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/matthew-lloyd-fumes-over-mark-maclure-claims-reagarding-carlton-coaches/5eac0ec8-9933-4660-8a32-b2f909eab364

Despite the fact that Lloydd is beyond upset AND IS A COLLEAGUE of McGuire (on the show eddie hosts), McGuire all but dismisses his concerns.

He also tries to put the whole to thing to bed a couple of times by stating how great it is that McClure (who he calls a great bloke) has apologized. All nothing to see here, Sellar's a great bloke, let's move on

And he blurts out that he called McClure right before the show to check it out what happened. I'll bet he didn't check with lloyd before doing so (Lloyd said he called McClure immediately after the 360 aired). Then defends him by saying he got his wires crossed and it was Sam McClure who supposedly made the comments in question. Which actually makes it less defensible, not more (ie he attributed the comments to Lloyd and implied his brother leaked him information)!

And he tries to wrap it up by, predictably making it about Collingwood and the supposedly false rumors Buckley has lost the players. Classic Eddie deflection.

Tone deaf and utterly pathetic. 

The clip end with a clearly seething Lloyd responding to Eddie's deflection with 'i know he's your mate eddie' but it is not on.

if i was Lloyd i would be just as angry with McGuire.

Surely the Pies can't let McGuire get back into the club via his mate, Brown. He is poison. 

 

Disgraceful and it's only one example of what he's been doing for almost 30 years

[Guest]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/magpie-president-korda-to-meet-with-member-seeking-board-spill-20210520-p57tt6.html

Korda sounds like Chamberlain talking about ‘peace in our time’ at the time of the Munich agreements...

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

Something’s not right with the world today. There’s something amiss. Oh, I know, I didn’t wake this morning to a new Collingwood scandal. ?

I guess we’ll just have relish in what we’ve already got. Drink it in, fellow Deeeez-ers. 

Edited May 20, 2021 by WalkingCivilWar

[old dee 23,490]

Well it seems I was wrong the other day only social club members have voting rights which according to the HUN today is approx 10 of the 80k members seems fairly democratic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[old dee 23,490]

15 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Something’s not right with the world today. There’s something amiss. Oh, I know, I didn’t wake this morning to a new Collingwood scandal. ?

I guess we’ll just have relish in what we’ve already got. Drink it in, fellow Deeeez-ers. 

Grab the HUN the saga has more news. 

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

Grab the HUN the saga has more news. 

Thanks for the tip. Was worth the $2:20 for what’s gonna end up lining my chook coop. 

[old dee 23,490]

22 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Thanks for the tip. Was worth the $2:20 for what’s gonna end up lining my chook coop. 

It appears to me that most AFL clubs have only a passing illusion of democracy. The boards control who gets to stand at election time and anyone who wants to step outside their approval is in for a tough fight. It is always justified by  stability is the best method. As an individual member of an AFL club you have very little rights beyond attending a game. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,357]

As I advance in years OD I become increasingly of the view that democracy is not for everyone.

Imagine a football club truly run by members.. we could extend it to team selection.

My complaint about football clubs and the AFL is the lack of transparency. Why for example is each club's deal with the AFL over the use of Docklands confidential. Same for the MCG.

[binman 41,947]

23 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

As I advance in years OD I become increasingly of the view that democracy is not for everyone.

 

Is that you Donald?

 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,701]

37 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well it seems I was wrong the other day only social club members have voting rights which according to the HUN today is approx 10 of the 80k members seems fairly democratic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes someone on BigFooty mentioned this a few months ago and I couldn't believe it! For the "blue collar" club they have become extremely exclusive.

[Redleg 40,142]

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Something’s not right with the world today. There’s something amiss. Oh, I know, I didn’t wake this morning to a new Collingwood scandal. ?

I guess we’ll just have relish in what we’ve already got. Drink it in, fellow Deeeez-ers. 

I have only one gripe about this, I wish it was Carlton too.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I have only one gripe about this, I wish it was Carlton too.

And Essendon, don’t forget Essendon! 

[old dee 23,490]

35 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yes someone on BigFooty mentioned this a few months ago and I couldn't believe it! For the "blue collar" club they have become extremely exclusive.

Evidently it has been that way since day 1 Dr.

[old dee 23,490]

28 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I have only one gripe about this, I wish it was Carlton too.

I don't mind the Blues.

[Redleg 40,142]

40 minutes ago, old dee said:

I don't mind the Blues.

Wash your mouth out with soap.

[rjay 24,592]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

It appears to me that most AFL clubs have only a passing illusion of democracy. The boards control who gets to stand at election time and anyone who wants to step outside their approval is in for a tough fight. It is always justified by  stability is the best method. As an individual member of an AFL club you have very little rights beyond attending a game. 

Yes, I think they're trying this approach in Myanmar and a number of other countries.

Russia is a pretty keen advocate.

Even in the US, if you're not one of the elite forget a run for Prez...

 

[old dee 23,490]

29 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Will single malt do?

[praha 11,119]

On 5/19/2021 at 1:30 PM, Mr Steve said:

Don't sack Bucks yet wait till after the Queens Birthday game. Cannot remember a coach being sacked after playing Melbourne. Have we ever been a coach killer besides our own coach, been plenty of those.

Grant Thomas, 2006.

[Tony Tea 2,800]

It's all a plot by Korda to drive Collingwood into administration then save Collingwood with administration. He's a black and white knight.

[siam juntaRus 92]

If Weideman bombs out again  Saturday  he could find himself in a Collingwood  jumper.