NON MFC: Rd 03 2021

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,946]

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Gulden, Campbell. 

I think?

Plus: Wicks & Bell

[titan_uranus 22,811]

3 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Sure not their bes, but I think Sydney have been supreme.

Yes they've been excellent, but Richmond have undoubtedly made it worse.

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Just now, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Plus: Wicks & Bell

Ah thanks.

Bell's the sub but yes, that's 6 of the 22 and the sub is the 7th.

Naismith's injured but he's also Academy.

[Return to Glory 7,799]

27 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

This is truly pathetic from Richmond.

It's likely just a one off but the amount of lazy jogging, half-assed tackle attempts, ill-discipline and breakdown of structures is just baffling for a side with this much talent and only one or two players missing.

All great teams come to an end. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for a team that's had more hangers-on than any team in history. 

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6 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

All great teams come to an end. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for a team that's had more hangers-on than any team in history. 

Hopefully this game punctures the aura of invincibility around Richmond. They've been a champion team and i wouldn't bet them against yet this year but they look like a spent force today.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Better days ahead

[leave it to deever 16,213]

13 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

All great teams come to an end. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for a team that's had more hangers-on than any team in history. 

Always had a soft spot for tgr tiges. Long term co tennants and a big gap btw flags.

Now they have dominated its funny how ive soured?

Edited April 3, 2021 by leave it to deever

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I think today is more evidence of the changed way teams have to defend in 2021.

Richmond's key defenders have traditionally had layers of mids/forwards rolling back to support them. They haven't had that today and have repeatedly been beaten as a result.

McCartin at the other end, by contrast, has been pretty solid (Lynch has kicked 3 but I've liked McCartin's game).

We know May and Lever (and Tomlinson) have been pretty good so far this year and our defensive set up has held up even against St Kilda's attempts to move the ball with pace. Hopefully our set up is able to be maintained, as I think some sides are going to find it hard to defend against sides with reasonable offensive abilities.

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8 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

How many Sydney players playing are from their academy?

On their list, by draft year with place taken in brackets:

2020 - Campbell (5), Gulden (32)

2018 - Blakey (10)

2015 - Mills (3)

2014 - Heeney (18 - different bidding rules, was bid for at 2 - by us!).  Also Hiscox and Foote with late selections.

In effect, they've had three additional top-5 selections courtesy of the academy, as well as pick 10 and 32.

I guess to consider the impact that has on a club you can just imagine what it would do for the fortunes of a club on the mid ladder range to add pick 2, 3, 5, 10, and 32 to a single draft.  Yes, they gave up selections to get them but it is nothing in the same field.

I wonder if any other club has had more selections inside the top 5 in that time?

[leave it to deever 16,213]

Swans laying down that they are genuine finals contenders. Big win away and no Franklin.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Impressive swans. 
 

Port will will make Richmond look much worse than that if they serve that up again next week. I hope. 

[dees189227 11,018]

That is a great win by Sydney. 

Now onto the saints and make the bummers day more miserable. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I didn’t think it at the time but I’m starting to realise that much of 2020 was an aberration.

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Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

I didn’t think it at the time but I’m starting to realise that much of 2020 was an aberration.

Glorified Ansett Cup. 

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47 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

only thing annoying about he game is I changed my tip from swans to tigers this morning as the odds blew out and I thought there was some bad news from the swans going into the game. 

The academy for NSW is a massive advantage, that has not been replicated by other clubs as it also includes the border towns on the nSW side where AFL is native and home to a history of champions.

I don't think this is correct...

The Giants not Sydney had those areas.

 They were taken away from them (GWS) in 2017.

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1 minute ago, Deestroy All said:

Glorified Ansett Cup. 

Sydney were clearly tanking, St Kilda weren’t that good, Geelong benefited from the shorter quarters thanks to their geriatric list, Brisbane didn’t have to travel and we did have to travel lots and were cooked having to play in Cairns twice.

[Whispering_Jack 28,094]

How good is this. We haven’t played yet but are back in the top 4.

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18 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

That is a great win by Sydney. 

Now onto the saints and make the bummers day more miserable. 

Essendon will finish bottom 6 even if they win today.  Saints are fighting with us for a finals spot.

Rather the the Bombers win this one

 

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Saints put way better pressure than this on us early. Without it they are nothing. 

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25 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

On their list, by draft year with place taken in brackets:

2020 - Campbell (5), Gulden (32)

2018 - Blakey (10)

2015 - Mills (3)

2014 - Heeney (18 - different bidding rules, was bid for at 2 - by us!).  Also Hiscox and Foote with late selections.

In effect, they've had three additional top-5 selections courtesy of the academy, as well as pick 10 and 32.

I guess to consider the impact that has on a club you can just imagine what it would do for the fortunes of a club on the mid ladder range to add pick 2, 3, 5, 10, and 32 to a single draft.  Yes, they gave up selections to get them but it is nothing in the same field.

I wonder if any other club has had more selections inside the top 5 in that time?

Top 5 picks since 2014:

1. Gold Coast - 5
2. Sydney - 4 (5 if you include Heeney)
3. Melbourne - 4
4. GWS - 4
5. Brisbane - 3
6. Carlton - 3
7. St Kilda - 2
8. Essendon - 2
9. Fremantle - 2
10. North Melbourne - 2
11. Collingwood - 1
12. Adelaide - 1
13. Port Adelaide - 1
14. Western Bulldogs - 1
15. Richmond - 0
16. West Coast - 0
17. Geelong - 0
18. Hawthorn - 0

5 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Sydney were clearly tanking, St Kilda weren’t that good, Geelong benefited from the shorter quarters thanks to their geriatric list, Brisbane didn’t have to travel and we did have to travel lots and were cooked having to play in Cairns twice.

It's far too early to draw any of those conclusions except maybe the Sydney one. I don't think they were tanking though, they had significant injuries last year.

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2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Meanwhile the advantage rule is broken IMO. So many umpires wait to see if the team who takes advantage retains possession and if they don't, they recall it. That's not how the rule works. If you take it, and immediately turn it over, bad luck.

Case in point just now: Sydney had a free, player picked it up and kicked it, turned it over, so the umpire called it back and that gave Sydney a new possession and a goal.

Hope they keep it up, preferably not blow whistle, wait 20 seconds, see what happens then with blow whistle for free or play on

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21 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Sydney were clearly tanking

except when they played us

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Butler is overrated. 

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24 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Sydney were clearly tanking ...

Not up in Cairns on 3 September...

[daisycutter 28,700]

seems aints can't play marvel

so sad

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St Kilda are looking dreadful.