if you class trac as more inside-outside, viney is a miles better footballer than any other inside mid option we have other than oliver, and his defensive tendencies are better than clarry

the amount of opprobrium for a former captain and multiple b&f top 5 placegetter on this site is baffling

we are a much better side when viney is up and going than when he's sitting on the sidelines; here's hoping for a quick and full recovery

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Great opportunity for Sparrow to really step up now.

Agreed. If JV is not ready Round 1, Sparrow or Harmes to go into the engine room alongside Clarry and Trac. 

3 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

geez you would think Viney is barely AFL standard reading the comments here. unbelievable. 

He’s absolutely AFL standard. He has just found himself in a team full of inside mids and he’s too one dimensional 

No intention of stepping on anyone's toes but the backwash is almost palpable...

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Have faith friends, Jack will be ok. It's only a foot.

 

                   

12 hours ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

4 years of foot issues now we signed him up. MFCSS!

FOR 5 YEARS ASTONISHING!! for a one dimensional Rugby player... Only MFC

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27 minutes ago, picket fence said:

FOR 5 YEARS ASTONISHING!! for a one dimensional Rugby player... Only MFC

On 1/30/2021 at 12:28 PM, Demonland said:

 

Edited January 31, 20214 yr by Sir Why You Little

 

19 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

 

Well, as long as his bowels are okay, there shouldn't be a problem! Classic. Love it! ?

19 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

Well, as long as his bowels are okay, there shouldn't be a problem! Classic. Love it! ?

The Meaning of Life gets better each time you watch it!!

I'm not a huge Viney fan . . . so last year I thought I'd go and have a look at where he ranks in the league on all the important KPIs that the league measures for its players. Here's the news: Viney is in the top 200 players in the league on 80 percent of performance indicators. He's got his deficiencies and drives many of us mad at times, but there's not a club in the comp that wouldn't have him in their best 18. And he'd be in the best six players at at least six clubs, based on his KPIs, IMHO.

29 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I'm not a huge Viney fan . . . so last year I thought I'd go and have a look at where he ranks in the league on all the important KPIs that the league measures for its players. Here's the news: Viney is in the top 200 players in the league on 80 percent of performance indicators. He's got his deficiencies and drives many of us mad at times, but there's not a club in the comp that wouldn't have him in their best 18. And he'd be in the best six players at at least six clubs, based on his KPIs, IMHO.

Is the 'top 200 players' a typo and you mean top 20?

Top 200 is not much to right home about...

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Is the 'top 200 players' a typo and you mean top 20?

Top 200 is not much to right home about...

No, it's not a typo LH. After scrutinising exactly what I wrote, and if one analyzes the data mathematically, it makes him a pretty good player. At a bear minimum, it puts him in the best 25 percent of players in the comp. And I suspect if one undertook further analysis of the raw data (e.g. the precise ranking of all his KPIs), he would probably be in the top 15-20 percent of players running around. 

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Clarity

His foot hasn't been right since the 2018 finals.

Same with Tom McDonald.

I try not to get MFCSS if I can help it but even if he is back running in two weeks that would likely be putting him behind anyway on conditioning and as many have alluded to with his history of foot issues and our history with foot related injuries not being great I'm not expecting him to be back super fast. Whatever the case may be let's take things slow with him.

11 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

His foot hasn't been right since the 2018 finals.

Same with Tom McDonald.

I think T Mac has shown with the shape he has come back in that it’s not his foot that has been the issue 

I thought seeing Jack in one of the training clips today doing the rope exercise in the gym a couple of days after surgery was a positive in terms of a quick recovery. That’s the way I’ll look at it until otherwise. 

Get use to it.

Got 5 more years of having to put up with this on a regular basis.

"Top 200"... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

"one dimensional rugby player".... guffaw, guffaw, and more guffaw!

Thanks for the entertainment clowns! When does the real show start?

Jack Viney is inside the top 60... ahead of Joel Selwood, Daniel Rich, Mark Blicavs, Andrew Gaff, Lachie Whitfield, Jack Gunston, Cameron Guthrie, Darcy Moore... to name but a few!

15 hours ago, waynewussell said:

Jack Viney is inside the top 60... ahead of Joel Selwood, Daniel Rich, Mark Blicavs, Andrew Gaff, Lachie Whitfield, Jack Gunston, Cameron Guthrie, Darcy Moore... to name but a few!

He is never in the top 50 players reviewed each year fwiw.  Not exactly comparing onballers with wingers/half back flankers.  I would think the areas he would definitely be in front are turnovers and clangers.  He has large heart but plays with very little brains imo.  I think top 200 would be accurate.  To get an accurate picture of where he lies he should be compared with on ballers only.  I doubt he would be in the top 30% of all onballers, would be surprised if he was!

Just looked up clangers count from last season.  

We have 3 players within the top 20 which is not a good stat to have.

3. Clayton Oliver    69 total clangers.

12. Christian Petracca   60 clangers.

18 Jack Viney   55 clangers.

Looking at previous years appears to be much the same in terms of clangers.  Need to find ways to be much cleaner from what is supposedly a very good midfield.

Adding turnover counts....

Equal 4th.  Christian Petracca   84 turnovers for 2020

8. Jack Viney   80 turnovers

19 Clayton Oliver    77 turnovers

Harmes/Brayshaw right up on these lists when they play onball too.  We basically have bunch of onballers that undo a lot of their good work with careless skill errors and turnovers.  Until we clean these areas up i don't think we will go far.

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49 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

He is never in the top 50 players reviewed each year fwiw.  Not exactly comparing onballers with wingers/half back flankers.  I would think the areas he would definitely be in front are turnovers and clangers.  He has large heart but plays with very little brains imo.  I think top 200 would be accurate.  To get an accurate picture of where he lies he should be compared with on ballers only.  I doubt he would be in the top 30% of all onballers, would be surprised if he was!

My analysis figures are directly from AFL rating points which are established from a formula that covers a wide range of indicators. In a counter argument to yours, these ratings include goals (which advantages forwards over most mid-fielders). Obviously, this approach enables a data based comparison across player positions. 

4 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

My analysis figures are directly from AFL rating points which are established from a formula that covers a wide range of indicators. In a counter argument to yours, these ratings include goals (which advantages forwards over most mid-fielders). Obviously, this approach enables a data based comparison across player positions. 

So where does he rate amongst all onballers for last year?   I am looking currently at footywire and can't seem to make that filter/comparison.  Realistically i have him as our 3rd best onballer....doubt he would be the number one at any of the other teams.