Off-season outlook: Pressure will be on Melbourne and Simon Goodwin

[M_9 2,082]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/offseason-outlook-pressure-will-be-on-melbourne-and-simon-goodwin-to-make-finals-in-2021/news-story/bc7e87282bb192338444660045e45694

 

Just stating the bleeding obvious.

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[drysdale demon 4,830]

They will only feel pressure if they take any notice of the outside drivel from the media clowns.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

Of Coarse Simon  is under pressure isn.t the coach the first on the chopping block?  IMO the list is there and  we have the right mix now I am expecting some favourable results in 2021. 

 A 4 year plan with 1 Premiership ?  After what we  have been through  since 64  l would take  that.    Beggars can't be chooses.      The arrow is straightened  and aiming for the bulls eye.  Don't miss Goody.

[rjay 24,910]

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

They will only feel pressure if they take any notice of the outside drivel from the media clowns.

To be fair I think the pressure is there from the board and management.

There is no doubt though that the hyenas in the media will jump all over it at any chance they get.

[drysdale demon 4,830]

3 minutes ago, rjay said:

To be fair I think the pressure is there from the board and management.

There is no doubt though that the hyenas in the media will jump all over it at any chance they get.

There should always be questions asked by the board of any sporting club if all is not going to plan, doesn't mean they are pressurizing anyone,  Goodwin and the coaching staff know exactly where they stand and I doubt he will be in panic mode all year.

[old dee 23,786]

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

There should always be questions asked by the board of any sporting club if all is not going to plan, doesn't mean they are pressurizing anyone,  Goodwin and the coaching staff know exactly where they stand and I doubt he will be in panic mode all year.

He should be very worried, all his supporters have now left the club and he has a list capable of being in the top four. I doubt he will get them there. Best under him will be 7-8. 

[Deemania since 56 6,627]

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

He should be very worried, all his supporters have now left the club and he has a list capable of being in the top four. I doubt he will get them there. Best under him will be 7-8. 

It is doubtful that Goodwin will get the team to a GF. However, I have far more confidence that a combination of Williams, Yze and Jordan Lewis could do it in a stride - a unique coaching structure if we are innovatively hungry for a flag, not just a paycheque and a series of apologetic excuses (oops, and a new Jaguar for the elitist mental brick wall).

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

They will only feel pressure if they take any notice of the outside drivel from the media clowns.

On Tuesday the Demons coach accepted the comments placed more pressure on him, and said he would listen to what was said.

“I’ve spoken to Glen at length and he’s had nothing but support for myself,” Goodwin said.

“I was employed to lead this footy club with a clear strategy to lead us to our next premiership and I’m still very confident we will be able to do that.

“If those comments put pressure on me then I’ve got to accept that and I take responsibility for our performance.

Demons coach Simon Goodwin admits he’s under pressure but privately has been given ‘nothing but support’

Rubbish to suggest pressure only comes from the media.

[Smokey 4,389]

I haven't been a fan of Goody for awhile now, but I'm backing him in for top 4 thanks to his new supporting cast. 

[drysdale demon 4,830]

58 minutes ago, old dee said:

He should be very worried, all his supporters have now left the club and he has a list capable of being in the top four. I doubt he will get them there. Best under him will be 7-8. 

Don't agree with that at all.

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[binman 42,839]

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

I haven't been a fan of Goody for awhile now, but I'm backing him in for top 4 thanks to his new supporting cast. 

I think an important variable is how much goody, if at all, improves as a coach.

Much harder to gauge improvement of a coach than a player as so much of their work is largely unseen by fans and the kpis are less black and white (other than wins of course - but how much is on field success down to the players and how much the coach - an age old question).

[durango 2,007]

Most people forget that Hardwick was without a premiership after 7 years and very little finals but year 8 after recruitment of good players the worm turned and he has won 3 of the last 4.  I think that when his defensive coach arrived Justin Leppitsch they became a force, limiting opponents to a losing score.

I have a feeling Troy Chaplin is our defencive coach and has taken over from Rawlings and we have improved in that area with Lever and May which makes winning easier when you don't have to kick 100 points+ to win.

[old dee 23,786]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

I think an important variable is how much goody, if at all, improves as a coach.

Much harder to gauge improvement of a coach than a player as so much of their work is largely unseen by fans and the kpis are less black and white (other than wins of course - but how much is on field success down to the players and how much the coach - an age old question).

My problem with Goodwin is his match day performance. For 3 years now we have seen him out coached during a game. I don't expect this to change. 

[binman 42,839]

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

My problem with Goodwin is his match day performance. For 3 years now we have seen him out coached during a game. I don't expect this to change. 

Why? Surely many coaches improve in all sorts of ways, including game day coaching, as they gain experience.

Goody has made a point about being a life time learner so I can't see why he can't improve his coaching.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

It is doubtful that Goodwin will get the team to a GF. However, I have far more confidence that a combination of Williams, Yze and Jordan Lewis could do it in a stride - a unique coaching structure if we are innovatively hungry for a flag, not just a paycheque and a series of apologetic excuses (oops, and a new Jaguar for the elitist mental brick wall).

 

I do like Goody to succeed and now i believe he has  capable assistants  to support him. Williams and Yze are  big ins  they are certainly big assets for the club taking the next step.

 

[old dee 23,786]

26 minutes ago, binman said:

Why? Surely many coaches improve in all sorts of ways, including game day coaching, as they gain experience.

Goody has made a point about being a life time learner so I can't see why he can't improve his coaching.

There is a point where you reach you maximum skill level. IMO he is there. But I guess we will see as 2021 develops. I just have no confidence in him. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

Who has the coaching titles amongst every position at the club?

Defence?

Midfield- Yze

Forwards-

Rucks-?

Are they keeping it quiet for a reason?

Edited December 30, 2020 by Win4theAges

[rjay 24,910]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

My problem with Goodwin is his match day performance. For 3 years now we have seen him out coached during a game. I don't expect this to change. 

 

1 hour ago, binman said:

Why? Surely many coaches improve in all sorts of ways, including game day coaching, as they gain experience.

Goody has made a point about being a life time learner so I can't see why he can't improve his coaching.

Hardwick was a terrible match day coach, now he' seen as the 2nd coming of Clarkson...

I think it's going to be more about Goody's intent to listen...if he listens, his match day coaching will improve as of course will we.

If he's stubborn, then he's done.

I have no idea what Goody is like and how he handles his role apart from seeing the results shown in game & on the scoreboard...

I do know he has the strongest, most experienced team working with him in the FD now so there should be no excuses.

[Adam The God 30,209]

3 hours ago, Smokey said:

I haven't been a fan of Goody for awhile now, but I'm backing him in for top 4 thanks to his new supporting cast. 

This is essentially where I sit. I lost the faith throughout 2020, but I'll reserve final judgement until 2021.

[old dee 23,786]

25 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Hardwick was a terrible match day coach, now he' seen as the 2nd coming of Clarkson...

I think it's going to be more about Goody's intent to listen...if he listens, his match day coaching will improve as of course will we.

If he's stubborn, then he's done.

I have no idea what Goody is like and how he handles his role apart from seeing the results shown in game & on the scoreboard...

I do know he has the strongest, most experienced team working with him in the FD now so there should be no excuses.

No where to hide rjay.  Had better give off to a reasonable start or the knives will come quickly.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,204]

Of course he's under the pump. Should've made finals in 2020 and lost two games to bottom of the ladder sides when it counted as well as getting off to a poor start due to being stubborn with player selection. If the team has a poor start to the season he will be struggling to keep.gis job by Queens Birthday and if we miss finals he's gone.

[dworship 3,342]

45 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Of course he's under the pump. Should've made finals in 2020 and lost two games to bottom of the ladder sides when it counted as well as getting off to a poor start due to being stubborn with player selection. If the team has a poor start to the season he will be struggling to keep.gis job by Queens Birthday and if we miss finals he's gone.

Agreed

[dworship 3,342]

7 hours ago, old dee said:

My problem with Goodwin is his match day performance. For 3 years now we have seen him out coached during a game. I don't expect this to change. 

Adem Yze; game day strategist, may make a difference. 

[old dee 23,786]

41 minutes ago, dworship said:

Adem Yze; game day strategist, may make a difference. 

He still has to make the final decisions. Let's hope he listens more than in the past.

[skills32 229]

With the list we have now even Mark Neeld  could get us a flag.