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6 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Not a fan of the trade period - bores me to tears. So much bull-dust, PR and spin from clubs, players, managers etc...; is far too protracted, and uses players like bras at a Myers bargain basement red light special sale. Glad to tap in now to see the results without having to endure all the faffing.

Mahoney - I reckon this bloke excels during trade week. Silently, calmly goes about getting the job done without big statements or headline grabbing gaffs. We have pick 18 and 19! 

Glad TMac is staying. He will surprise a few this year and I reckon he remains best 22. A great swingman perhaps starting on the bench.

Brown, Weideman and Jackson rotating through forward 50, with Fritsch causing headaches, and Picket/Spargo crumbing. This is going to be very difficult for opposition defences to cover. 

I hope OMac gets a rookie gig. He has flaws but he is good enough to remain on our list.

Every year, a player emerges who surprises us. I hope it is Baker on the wing. He didn't excel in 2020, but showed glimpses of pace and grunt. Watch this space.

 

Rivers for mine and Jacko Jackson on the wing cutting them to shreds

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    On 11/13/2020 at 10:42 AM, Sydee said:

    Really ? I think Geelong have done really well 

    They are in the mix for a real tilt at a flag and barring Richmond would most likely have won one this year

    They have quality all over the ground and have now topped up with a former leading goal kicker in Cameron, a quality wingman in Smith and a quality midfielder in Higgins. Two of these 3 haven't won a flag and would be desperate to do so before their time is up

    Add these to a list that is also very hungry for a flag, and a significant home ground advantage they will be top 4 again next year IMO

    Yes they have an aging list, yes they may hit a wall in 3 years time but are they closer to a flag in 2021 or 2022 than us - well I'd say they are

    Hopefully I'm wrong and they stink it up and we surprise everyone and start to work as a cohesive team and play consistent footy

    I couldn’t disagree more. 3 first round picks for Cameron is insane. If that had happened here there would be an epic meltdown from the supporters. The list is totally unbalanced age wise. Trading in a 32 and a 34 year old on top of selwood who will be 33 next year and has had so many knocks and head injuries I’m surprised he is still playing, Dangerfield at 31, Hawkins 33, even Rohan is 30. Taylor and Ablett retired this year and I doubt Steven’s will play again.

     They had better get it done next year is all I can say. They will be paying back the interest on this investment for about 5 years I’d say. Sorry, I just don’t see it as a great trade period for Geelong, I’d call it a cluster F@$#

     

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    On 11/12/2020 at 11:22 PM, A F said:

    I really think this is a furphy. When we wanted to trade him we were saying things like we'd bulked him up and if he lost that weight he'd be magically back to 2018 McDonald. In other words, he'll be great, take a punt on him, please.

    No one did and IMO it's telling. 

    don't forget his contract price wasn't chicken chit

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    1 hour ago, FlashInThePan said:

    I couldn’t disagree more. 3 first round picks for Cameron is insane. If that had happened here there would be an epic meltdown from the supporters. The list is totally unbalanced age wise. Trading in a 32 and a 34 year old on top of selwood who will be 33 next year and has had so many knocks and head injuries I’m surprised he is still playing, Dangerfield at 31, Hawkins 33, even Rohan is 30. Taylor and Ablett retired this year and I doubt Steven’s will play again.

     They had better get it done next year is all I can say. They will be paying back the interest on this investment for about 5 years I’d say. Sorry, I just don’t see it as a great trade period for Geelong, I’d call it a cluster F@$#

     

    Let’s see how things go next year I think they will finish top 4 and have another chance - I wish I could say that about us 

    lots of improvement and consistency required for that to happen 

    good that you have a different view tho 

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    2 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

    I couldn’t disagree more. 3 first round picks for Cameron is insane. If that had happened here there would be an epic meltdown from the supporters. The list is totally unbalanced age wise. Trading in a 32 and a 34 year old on top of selwood who will be 33 next year and has had so many knocks and head injuries I’m surprised he is still playing, Dangerfield at 31, Hawkins 33, even Rohan is 30. Taylor and Ablett retired this year and I doubt Steven’s will play again.

     They had better get it done next year is all I can say. They will be paying back the interest on this investment for about 5 years I’d say. Sorry, I just don’t see it as a great trade period for Geelong, I’d call it a cluster F@$#

     

    I few years back I was saying the Hawks where going to fall and be down the ladder for a few years, many said no way, they have the greatest coach, the best doctors the best recruiters, something are being said about Geelong at some stage the walking sticks will be in use. 

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    2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

    don't forget his contract price wasn't chicken chit

    Sure, this almost certainly played a big part in it too.

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    I like the Geelong strategy, double down and roll the dice again, gives themselves a good chance when the alternative path won’t get them back in a GF for a decade...

    the fall will come (and be brutal), but they’re in the window now and are giving it their all.

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    10 hours ago, Kent said:

    Rivers for mine and Jacko Jackson on the wing cutting them to shreds

    Go the ginger ninja I reckon!

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    13 minutes ago, RDBhero said:

    Go the ginger ninja I reckon!

    RDB and Kent

    We didn't recruit Jacko to be a full time wingman Mainly ruck forward and around the ground with some Forward play fir goals, Very  occasionally as a mid.

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    On 11/13/2020 at 11:29 PM, deanox said:

    It is a reasonable concern, but I think because there are fair arguments both ways, and we don't know the decision process, we need to trust that they weighed the risks and got it right.

    Getting two top 20 players in this year could be better than getting a single top 20 player next year (e.g. finish fourth and we'd have effectively traded pick 15 for 18 and 19).

    Getting two top 18 and 19 instead of just one pick "doubles" our chances of finding a player who makes it.

    Is the draft lower quality? Reportedly. But does that mean there are less players or that the players aren't as good. I feel like the later could be true for the top 5-6, but otherwise it is just a matter of depth, so more chances is better.

     

     

    My gut feel is that the clubs will all have a pretty good handle on the top 25 players in this year's draft. After all, they've been following the top tier under-age players for more than just the pandemic-affected 2020. After that it will likely be more of a lottery than usual with the later developers falling into this group but in a less well-known order.

    And I agree that getting two picks "doubles" our chances, although we should also anticipate the possibility that these two picks could still metamorphosise into one top ten pick or something else.

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    "We believe that there is more of a variety of player in this year's draft (compared to next year) which suit the type of players we need on our list."

    So what's the translation here?

    Edited by adonski

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    5 minutes ago, adonski said:

    "We believe that there is more of a variety of player in this year's draft (compared to next year) which suit the type of players we need on our list."

    So what's the translation here?

    Translation: We have identified a few players we would like to draft this year, in our pick range.

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    On 11/14/2020 at 7:33 PM, PaulRB said:

    I like the Geelong strategy, double down and roll the dice again, gives themselves a good chance when the alternative path won’t get them back in a GF for a decade...

    the fall will come (and be brutal), but they’re in the window now and are giving it their all.

    They will fall in a heap, just go back and look at Higgins and Smith stats, Smith turnover average increased by 0.6 per match, and that is with a drop of 4 positions a game on his career average, he is getting it less and turning it over more, higgings states were good but he missed a few games with injury, he will be lucky to last the season, he will be 33 for most of next year, Geelong are 1 year too late for those fossils, don't believe the media hype

    Edited by don't make me angry

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    2 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    Great work by the media department. 
     

    Next time they should freeze frame a shot of Mahoney ripping out a huge fart. 
     

    Or maybe they just did.....

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    Not Melbourne related as such but the following does highlight how our attitude does get things done in trade week compared to others  - 

     

    Regarding the deal for Caldwell, who the Bombers secured along with Picks 44 and 74 for Pick 29 and a future second-round selection, McCartney took aim at Essendon for how they conducted themselves.

    “In isolation (as a deal), I was disappointed in what Essendon Football Club ... you need to be fair and reasonable to try and facilitate a transaction and that was somewhat frustrating, I’ll be honest with that,” he said on the club’s website.

    Speaking to the Sydney Morning Herald, McCartney was even more scathing.

    “The Caldwell one was a millimetre away from not getting done either. That’s Essendon: target a player, high quality, get him in the door, and then not (be) prepared to stump up the price to actually facilitate the deal.”

    Relating to Hately, who the Giants will now get no return for losing, McCartney said a sour taste had been left by the Crows.

    “We knew there was a threat there of the pre-season draft ... we were honest with Adelaide right from the word go, he was a Pick 14 two years ago, we thought he was a pick in the 18 to 25 region and closer to 25 in all fairness,” he said.

    “They weren’t willing to get anywhere near that deal, which was really disappointing considering some of the deals we’ve done with Adelaide over the last two years.

    “It was left way too late by Adelaide to facilitate something on the night.”

     

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    11 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

    That’s Essendon: target a player, high quality, get him in the door, and then not (be) prepared to stump up the price to actually facilitate the deal.”

    Its about time someone in the industry calls out Essendon's tactics.  They tried the same with Dunkley but it didn't work.  I really hope the AFL doesn't have a mini trade day this year to help Dunkley get to Ess.  It just plays into their hands and encourages their tactics.

    Good to see GWS stand their ground on clubs trying to poach talent for petty cash.  It might mean Hatley walks into the pre-season draft (ala GCS with Martinr) but at least they are drawing a line in the sand.  Short term pain, long term gain.

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    1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Its about time someone in the industry calls out Essendon's tactics.  They tried the same with Dunkley but it didn't work.  I really hope the AFL doesn't have a mini trade day this year to help Dunkley get to Ess.  It just plays into their hands and encourages their tactics.

    Good to see GWS stand their ground on clubs trying to poach talent for petty cash.  It might mean Hatley walks into the pre-season draft (ala GCS with Martinr) but at least they are drawing a line in the sand.  Short term pain, long term gain.

    The Age has reported today that the mini-trade day idea has been canned.

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