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Farewell Sam Weideman

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  On 10/10/2022 at 04:51, Bozo said:

 

Our forward stocks include Petty and May - remember those guys who always seem to mark the ball in the most challenging situations against all- comers? What we actually need are a couple of offensive key backs..

May is about as likely to play forward seriously for MFC than give up drinking. Petty is the gun. 

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    We chose to play Brown on one leg and Melksham as a second tall in two finals instead of Weid. In fact we were willing days before our last final to debut JVR if Gawn missed rather than play Weid as a forward/ruck. This should show you how much we rate Weid. This talk about needing him as a back up, we just did and did not use him. Let Weid have a. Another crack at it elsewhere and clear the space, 

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    Stated on the Grundy file that Cooliwood have threatened to keep grundy as they don't like our offer of pick 27. They want our 13! If no Grundy the club must keep Weid.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 08:40, Older demon said:

    Stated on the Grundy file that Cooliwood have threatened to keep grundy as they don't like our offer of pick 27. They want our 13! If no Grundy the club must keep Weid.

    Too [censored] bad. They wanted top 25 pick………..27 is a lot closer than 13. Difference between the 2 is 53 draft pick points (equivalent to pick 69). 
     

    13 + 27 = 1915 points for 16 + Grundy (placing his value at pick 22). Difference between pick 22 and pick 25 is 89 draft points (equivalent to pick 66).

    Filth getting their knickers in a knot over pick 69 instead of 66. [censored] em.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 08:40, Older demon said:

    Stated on the Grundy file that Cooliwood have threatened to keep grundy as they don't like our offer of pick 27. They want our 13! If no Grundy the club must keep Weid.

     
    Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.
     
    Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round pick plus what we get for Weids.
     
    Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 21:18, Clint Bizkit said:

    If we lose Weideman who is back up for when Gawn and Grundy are injured?

    Considering the Weid is an average ruck I’m not too bothered. Recruit a mature age ruck for cover in the draft or PSD. T Mac, Tomo etc can do it in an emergency 

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      On 10/10/2022 at 21:21, DubDee said:

    Considering the Weid is an average ruck I’m not too bothered. Recruit a mature age ruck for cover in the draft or PSD. T Mac, Tomo etc can do it in an emergency 

    He played the second ruck well this year.

    He’s more suited to that than as a sole forward.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 21:20, Big Red Rooster said:
     
    Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.
     
    Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round picks.
     
    Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

    It just seems like a lot of work just to move up 2 picks and appease Collywobblewood for their own mistake. Pick 27, maybe a later one thrown in, take it or leave it. 

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      On 10/10/2022 at 21:47, layzie said:

    It just seems like a lot of work just to move up 2 picks and appease Collywobblewood for their own mistake. Pick 27, maybe a later one thrown in, take it or leave it. 

    We'd also be getting pick 7 (in addition to landing Grundy with pick 25). This would be a big win for us given we were originally keen to land a top 7 pick from the Jacko trade (i.e. the top 7 picks in this years draft are rated very highly...but it drops off after that)

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      On 11/10/2022 at 00:05, Big Red Rooster said:

    We'd also be getting pick 7 (in addition to landing Grundy with pick 25). This would be a big win for us given we were originally keen to land a top 7 pick from the Jacko trade (i.e. the top 7 picks in this years draft are rated very highly...but it drops off after that)

    This is true, sorry I should have absorbed more after the first line my bad. 

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      On 11/10/2022 at 00:09, Demonland said:

     

    Sydney have 14, 17, 37, 75 and all next year's picks so if they finish the same 17, 36, 55, 73

    Doubt we'd get 37 or F2nd, probably F3rd - something like 55

    I wouldn't do it for that unless it closed another deal for us.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 08:40, Older demon said:

    Stated on the Grundy file that Cooliwood have threatened to keep grundy as they don't like our offer of pick 27. They want our 13! If no Grundy the club must keep Weid.

    Agree...the Weid trade should be dependent on this.

    Weideman can also play as a defender and part time ruck if the Grundy trade flops which i seriously hope it does.  Allows Petty to go forward which is a must if we're to improve our forward woes in 2023 IMV.

    Otherwise we're betting a little too much on a suspect Macca returning to decent form and a brand new rookie in JVR.

    I would go with the above anyway and throw the picks at other much needed/more valuable talent to fill a mid/HB role and a KTF.

    The club should just call off the Grundy trade if they won't take 27.  Not worth anything more than that regardless.  Will be seriously [censored] off if we cave on this one.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 21:18, Clint Bizkit said:

    If we lose Weideman who is back up for when Gawn and Grundy are injured?

    You pretty much answered your own question CB.

    Also we still don't know 100% that Grundy is fully cleared of his injury woes.  The FD said they did a full check but im not convinced as we are dealing with a very shonky shadey club.  Mind you most of them are but some more than others IMV.

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      On 10/10/2022 at 07:47, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

    We chose to play Brown on one leg and Melksham as a second tall in two finals instead of Weid. In fact we were willing days before our last final to debut JVR if Gawn missed rather than play Weid as a forward/ruck. This should show you how much we rate Weid. This talk about needing him as a back up, we just did and did not use him. Let Weid have a. Another crack at it elsewhere and clear the space, 

    Unfortunately for Sam this is reality. I'm surprised it hasn't got more attention on Demonland, or indeed more broadly.

    Bottom line we absolutely desperate for a second tall forward. We had one in Weed, who by the by was a top 10 draft pick, and decided not to use him. 

    I'm sure Goody was hugely frustrated that Weed wasn't up for the job, and as i say i'm surprised there hasn't been more angst towards Sam for not stepping up when he needed. 

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      On 11/10/2022 at 00:33, old55 said:

    Sydney have 14, 17, 37, 75 and all next year's picks so if they finish the same 17, 36, 55, 73

    Doubt we'd get 37 or F2nd, probably F3rd - something like 55

    I wouldn't do it for that unless it closed another deal for us.

    Would a Sam Reid deal net us two wins purely because he's not playing against us anymore under the Kent Kingsley Rule?

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      On 11/10/2022 at 01:31, binman said:

    Unfortunately for Sam this is reality. I'm surprised it hasn't got more attention on Demonland, or indeed more broadly.

    I'm sure Goody was hugely frustrated that Weed wasn't up for the job, and as i say i'm surprised there hasn't been more angst towards Sam for not stepping up when he needed. 

    If a player is not good enough, it’s not his fault, then there is not much point showing “angst” towards him is there? Most DL’s realise this. I’m surprised you are surprised to be honest.

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      On 11/10/2022 at 01:31, binman said:

    Unfortunately for Sam this is reality. I'm surprised it hasn't got more attention on Demonland, or indeed more broadly.

    Bottom line we absolutely desperate for a second tall forward. We had one in Weed, who by the by was a top 10 draft pick, and decided not to use him. 

    I'm sure Goody was hugely frustrated that Weed wasn't up for the job, and as i say i'm surprised there hasn't been more angst towards Sam for not stepping up when he needed. 

    How does our community benefit from disparaging a young bloke in this way? I’m glad we don’t [censored] dead horses in this manner around here (often at least) 

    Note: that’s a very precious word to censor DL. I mean it’s in the dictionary after all, hardly offensive! 

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      On 10/10/2022 at 21:20, Big Red Rooster said:
     
    Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.
     
    Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round pick plus what we get for Weids.
     
    Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

    If we could somehow land Whitfield & Geogiades.  I havent heard of us being in the hunt for any of these reasonable prospects though.  What makes you think they're in play (for us) BRR?

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      On 11/10/2022 at 01:47, Smokey said:

    How does our community benefit from disparaging a young bloke in this way? I’m glad we don’t [censored] dead horses in this manner around here (often at least)

    It doesn't.

    I wasn't suggesting people should be disparaging. I certainly haven't.

    Perhaps I should have said I'm pleasantly surprised there hadn't been much angst towards him.

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      On 11/10/2022 at 01:41, Neil Crompton said:

    If a player is not good enough, it’s not his fault, then there is not much point showing “angst” towards him is there? Most DL’s realise this. I’m surprised you are surprised to be honest.

    All fair points.

    But in terms of being surprised, I have been posting on dl for over 10 years now, and I can think of quite a few players who have not been afforded the same respect.

    Melksham is just one recent example. 

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      On 11/10/2022 at 02:19, binman said:

    All fair points.

    But in terms of being surprised, I have been posting on dl for over 10 years now, and I can think of quite a few players who have not been afforded the same respect.

    Melksham is just one recent example. 

    I’d suggest that says more about Sam as a person than anything else. I think everyone wanted him to make it. 
    And Melky is an import, so doesn’t have that same birthing connection

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      On 11/10/2022 at 01:31, binman said:

    Unfortunately for Sam this is reality. I'm surprised it hasn't got more attention on Demonland, or indeed more broadly.

    Bottom line we absolutely desperate for a second tall forward. We had one in Weed, who by the by was a top 10 draft pick, and decided not to use him. 

    I'm sure Goody was hugely frustrated that Weed wasn't up for the job, and as i say i'm surprised there hasn't been more angst towards Sam for not stepping up when he needed. 

    The angst,  fr me anyway, was more the year before last. This year most of us had already given up on him anyway. He did kick 4.3 v the Bombers in round 2? and I briefly got my hopes up again. But that’s Sam isn’t it. Always an appetiser and never the main meal! 

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