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Dees seem to be the most strategic making decisions based off the delay between the AFL and AFLPA arrangement. The list size change looks like it will be minimal this year 38 senior and 44 in total including category B rookies. It would seem there will be further list reductions next year which could mean that there will be less players picked up next year in the draft as well.  

This would help explain why there were so many players brought back on 1-2 year deals. We keep a lot of flexibility next year to take advantage with both salary and list space flexibility. 

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    8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    That means we currently hold a 1st round and a 4th round pick in 2021.

    And now a third round after trading Hannan to the Dogs.

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    5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

     

    Great outcome if we get him on a 3 year deal and use Pick 33 to do it. 

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    2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    Great outcome if we get him on a 3 year deal and use Pick 33 to do it. 

    Fox seems to think we're going to send one of the new picks along with 26 to get him:

    "The Dees could now send one of their recently-acquired draft selections, as well as their current second-round selection (Pick 26), to the Kangaroos in a Brown deal"

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    2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    Fox seems to think we're going to send one of the new picks along with 26 to get him:

    "The Dees could now send one of their recently-acquired draft selections, as well as their current second-round selection (Pick 26), to the Kangaroos in a Brown deal"

    If that does happen, then I'd be expecting a further pick from them in return.  

    If it was 26 and 33 for Brown then I'd be a little disappointed in the deal at first glance.

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    1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

    If that does happen, then I'd be expecting a further pick from them in return.  

    If it was 26 and 33 for Brown then I'd be a little disappointed in the deal at first glance.

    Pick 26 and 33 equates to Pick 12. I would be more than a little disappointed if that eventuated.

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    Just now, wheaters31 said:

    Pick 26 and 33 equates to Pick 12. I would be more than a little disappointed if that eventuated.

    That would be way overs and a horrible outcome for us.

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    1 minute ago, wheaters31 said:

    Pick 26 and 33 equates to Pick 12. I would be more than a little disappointed if that eventuated.

    Surely not - JM had previously said it wouldn't be a first rounder.  Brown wants to come to us and there are no other clubs competing for his services.

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    if it's picks 26 and 33 i'd be expecting a pick back with Brown. 

     

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    Picks 26 and 33 should be offered to the Dogs for Pick 14. If we really want Finlay Macrae it is the only way and give the Dogs enough points for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

    Give Norf the Preuss pick from GWS.

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    12 minutes ago, wheaters31 said:

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    Interesting that its saying we are keen to add more midfield talent...

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    Someone mentioned that there was a chance we may be interested in going after Treloar. Don't know how accurate the poster is, but this did raise my eyebrow.

     

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    3 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

    Someone mentioned that there was a chance we may be interested in going after Treloar. Don't know how accurate the poster is, but this did raise my eyebrow.

     

    It was Nudge,  on another thread,  and his sources are usually excellent. But he also said that its all dependent on offloading Tmac ..which isnt looking great. 

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    7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Interesting that its saying we are keen to add more midfield talent...

    Does make you wonder if we've asked for Polec to be included? like 26 & 33 for Brown and Polec? i mean that'd be an option if we were confident the Tmac deal would get done 

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    1 minute ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

    Does make you wonder if we've asked for Polec to be included? like 26 & 33 for Brown and Polec? i mean that'd be an option if we were confident the Tmac deal would get done 

    26 & 33 & Tmac for Bown and Polec?  I assume the Polec and Tmac salaries kinda cancel each other out.

    I think Polec would be great for our needs but for whatever reason we don't seem interested.

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    2 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

    Picks 26 and 33 should be offered to the Dogs for Pick 14. If we really want Finlay Macrae it is the only way and give the Dogs enough points for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

    Give Norf the Preuss pick from GWS.

    I'd expect the deal to look something like 33 & 50 on to North for Brown.  They probably baulked at a future 2nd, but now there is a extra '20 2nd for Dees to play with. Whichever 2nd rounder we retain can be bundled up with prospective Preuss pick to move up the order as well.

    It is interesting that Treloar isn't keen to meet with Dogs. His camp has said that they prefer to go to a contender in Victoria, maybe the additional rider is a contender, from Victoria, that also plays regularly at the 'G? From recollection that was a consideration when he'd narrowed his list to Richmond & the Pies when he left GWS.

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    4 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

    26 & 33 & Tmac for Bown and Polec?  I assume the Polec and Tmac salaries kinda cancel each other out.

    I think Polec would be great for our needs but for whatever reason we don't seem interested.

    North have said they aren't interested at all in TMac, so he won't be part of any deal I'd say.

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    5 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

    It was Nudge,  on another thread,  and his sources are usually excellent. But he also said that its all dependent on offloading Tmac ..which isnt looking great. 

    One of the problems with TMac is that he's lower priority and seems a 'in case our kpf plan A falls over' option for interested clubs.

    This means any deal will likely be a late deal, which doesn't give us much wiggle room in facilitating trades afterward.

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    26 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

    Picks 26 and 33 should be offered to the Dogs for Pick 14. If we really want Finlay Macrae it is the only way and give the Dogs enough points for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

    Give Norf the Preuss pick from GWS.

    Another option would be the Giants who look like they may end up with 10, 13 & 15.

    26 and Pruess for 13 values Pruess at 37

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    Just now, Grimes Times said:

    Another option would be the Giants who look like they may end up with 10, 13 & 15.

    26 and Pruess for 13 values Pruess at 37

    If we are looking at Macrae, we'd have to be looking at pick 10, any lower and you potentially miss. That said, there are likely to still be some good options to fill that need in that 10-15 range.

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    18 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

    I'd expect the deal to look something like 33 & 50 on to North for Brown.  They probably baulked at a future 2nd, but now there is a extra '20 2nd for Dees to play with. Whichever 2nd rounder we retain can be bundled up with prospective Preuss pick to move up the order as well.

    It is interesting that Treloar isn't keen to meet with Dogs. His camp has said that they prefer to go to a contender in Victoria, maybe the additional rider is a contender, from Victoria, that also plays regularly at the 'G? From recollection that was a consideration when he'd narrowed his list to Richmond & the Pies when he left GWS.

    Other than salary, what would the club that gets Treloar have to give up?

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    Hey so I know about all the points stuff (kinda went real deep just before Mahoney did his best work to get Oliver way back when) BUT...

    In no way does 12 = 26 + 33

    Higher picks are worth more than two middling if you know what you are doing when drafting and recruiting. 
     

    This points discussion amongst fans has got beyond cute - it’s now pretty dumb.

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    16 minutes ago, rpfc said:

    Hey so I know about all the points stuff (kinda went real deep just before Mahoney did his best work to get Oliver way back when) BUT...

    In no way does 12 = 26 + 33

    Higher picks are worth more than two middling if you know what you are doing when drafting and recruiting. 
     

    This points discussion amongst fans has got beyond cute - it’s now pretty dumb.

    Spot on. It’s really only worth that much for teams who need to use points like the Dogs.

    Any other team trying to trade up in the order always has to pay a premium. Teams have (foolishly) traded picks like that for pick 21 on draft night. The maths they used to determine pick values doesn’t factor in a lot of variables IMO. Without even getting too abstract pick 12 will slide 1 spot due to academy bids whilst 26+33 will slide multiple spots as well.

    That said, it’s still to much for Brown imo. We’ve got the upper hand here, no reason not to push 

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