11 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

We won't be getting Smith, Hind and Phillips.  I'd say we will get one, maybe two at the absolute most.

Hind goes okay but I think I'd rather Smith or Phillips.

Why?

We need pace in the forward half. Hind knows how to find the goals.

Smith and Phillips will play off half back and the wing respectively if we land them.

I think we could well get them all. I'd still love Jack Higgins, but he may not want to leave Tigerland.

4 minutes ago, A F said:

Why?

We need pace in the forward half. Hind knows how to find the goals.

Smith and Phillips will play off half back and the wing respectively if we land them.

I think we could well get them all. I'd still love Jack Higgins, but he may not want to leave Tigerland.

I just can't see us turning over the list that much.

If we're letting players go like the McDonald brothers, then we need to bring in some talls as well.  

And hey, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe we go out there and get all three to add to the list, as well as someone like Brown.  I'd be shocked if I did, but happy to eat my words if we do.

Edit - also, I don't see Hind as someone any different than Hunt.  Both bring pace, both don't find the ball all that much and both can hit the scoreboard.  We can't fit both of those types in our forward half.

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by Wiseblood

Hind has been kept out of the Saints best 22 this year by Dean Kent. ?

11 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I just can't see us turning over the list that much.

If we're letting players go like the McDonald brothers, then we need to bring in some talls as well.  

And hey, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe we go out there and get all three to add to the list, as well as someone like Brown.  I'd be shocked if I did, but happy to eat my words if we do.

Our bottom 6-8 aren't good enough. IMV we need to turn over that bottom half of the list to see if we can find some competent and consistent role players for 2021.

11 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Edit - also, I don't see Hind as someone any different than Hunt.  Both bring pace, both don't find the ball all that much and both can hit the scoreboard.  We can't fit both of those types in our forward half.

Fair enough. I can see that.

6 minutes ago, A F said:

Why?

We need pace in the forward half. Hind knows how to find the goals.

Smith and Phillips will play off half back and the wing respectively if we land them.

I think we could well get them all. I'd still love Jack Higgins, but he may not want to leave Tigerland.

I was surprised to find that Hind and Higgins have similar career average statistics.

They're both almost equal for goals, behinds, tackles, inside 50s, goal assists, disposal efficiency, and metres gained (Hind leads metres gained, Higgins leads the rest but all by 0.1 or 0.2 or so).

Hind' lags behind in disposals, CPs and clearances, suggesting Higgins gets up the ground and into the middle more maybe?

9 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I was surprised to find that Hind and Higgins have similar career average statistics.

They're both almost equal for goals, behinds, tackles, inside 50s, goal assists, disposal efficiency, and metres gained (Hind leads metres gained, Higgins leads the rest but all by 0.1 or 0.2 or so).

Hind' lags behind in disposals, CPs and clearances, suggesting Higgins gets up the ground and into the middle more maybe?

Interesting. Nice spot mate. I'd say we probably view Hind as a cheaper option than Higgins. I'd take both though.

7 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Edit - also, I don't see Hind as someone any different than Hunt.  Both bring pace, both don't find the ball all that much and both can hit the scoreboard.  We can't fit both of those types in our forward half.

This is fair. Hunt's career average stats are all equal or better than Hind in almost every relevant stat.

5 minutes ago, A F said:

Our bottom 6-8 aren't good enough. IMV we need to turn over that bottom half of the list to see if we can find some competent and consistent role players for 2021.

Fair enough. I can see that.

I agree with this, and I think it is why we are being linked to players like Smith, Brown and Phillips.  I think the club identifies this aspect and will do what they can, in the current landscape, to rectify it.

Much will also depend on who we can move on as well.  If we can flick both McDonald brothers then I'd say it opens up further options for us, especially getting Tom off the books.

11 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I agree with this, and I think it is why we are being linked to players like Smith, Brown and Phillips.  I think the club identifies this aspect and will do what they can, in the current landscape, to rectify it.

Much will also depend on who we can move on as well.  If we can flick both McDonald brothers then I'd say it opens up further options for us, especially getting Tom off the books.

Yep, our window with our midfield and defensive core is 2021-2025. If we can win a flag or two in that time then we'll be able to prolong that window by topping up with FAs to address needs.

Even better, my son will be able to grow up with a successful Melbourne. That'd be nice.

Edited October 17, 20205 yr by A F

Something worth noting is Hind is 26 years of age already.

13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Something worth noting is Hind is 26 years of age already.

If he's cheap, it doesn't bother me.

32 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I just can't see us turning over the list that much.

If we're letting players go like the McDonald brothers, then we need to bring in some talls as well.  

And hey, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe we go out there and get all three to add to the list, as well as someone like Brown.  I'd be shocked if I did, but happy to eat my words if we do.

Edit - also, I don't see Hind as someone any different than Hunt.  Both bring pace, both don't find the ball all that much and both can hit the scoreboard.  We can't fit both of those types in our forward half.

I realise it's highlights but he appears to have an agile sidestep that Hunt lacks and looks strong on both sides. Hunt is not going to take us there, We should delist him, and I do think somone will pick him up and gve him a go - good luck to him.

3 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

I realise it's highlights but he appears to have an agile sidestep that Hunt lacks and looks strong on both sides. Hunt is not going to take us there, We should delist him, and I do think somone will pick him up and gve him a go - good luck to him.

If we got him for nothing, or a late pick which we wouldn't use, then there are no complaints from me.

But he doesn't look like much of an upgrade, if at all, to me.

27 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Something worth noting is Hind is 26 years of age already.

Only just turned 26 though. Perfect age for us IMO.

 

This blokes no good, VFL. 
Pass. 
 

So he’s 26 and being kept out of their side by Dean Kent! Pass

i watched Hind go head to head with Oskar Baker in the VFL a couple of years ago. it was a good old fashioned winger shoot out with both racking up the possessions and in the best players for their teams, but i didn't see much to suggest that he's any better than what Baker is really. maybe he's improved a bit in an AFL system, but i can't see him drastically improving our team.

Can confirm that MFC did indeed speak to him as per his father

If we think he can become a forward hitting the scoreboard and applying pressure he could be a cheap get. Especially if Hannan and maybe one of ANB or Bedford go. 

1 hour ago, Hunt29 said:

If we think he can become a forward hitting the scoreboard and applying pressure he could be a cheap get. Especially if Hannan and maybe one of ANB or Bedford go. 

Of that 3 Bedford is the keeper. The other 2 have no upside.

4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

We won't be getting Smith, Hind and Phillips.  I'd say we will get one, maybe two at the absolute most.

Hind goes okay but I think I'd rather Smith or Phillips.

If we trade out Preuss, ANB and Hannan I can easily imagine us getting 3 players in of that quality. 

But I doubt we'd go for both Smith and Phillips. 1 wingman at a time I'd imagine.

Late play a chance @dazzledavey36?

 

The way I'm reading a lot of these deals is that Essendon, Collingwood and Geelong have been allowed to operate outside of the 7.30 deadline.

1 minute ago, A F said:

The way I'm reading a lot of these deals is that Essendon, Collingwood and Geelong have been allowed to operate outside of the 7.30 deadline.

It's okay, they have the Tip-Ex App installed on their email systems.