2021 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch

[Whispering_Jack 27,918]

I’m not certain whether this has been mentioned or not but a bigfooty poster Davo-27 has an interesting perspective on the draft. He ranks players in tiers starting with the elite tier and going down:-

Elite: Daicos, Horne-Francis, (Callaghan, Darcy) (4)

Top Tier: Hobbs, Erasmus, Ward, Goater, Amiss, Fahey, Van Rooyen, Wanganeen-Milera, M Johnson, Rachele (10)

Quality: Roberts, Sinn, Long, Knevitt, Bazzo, Gibcus, Andrew, Chesser, Conway, Banks, MacDonald, Browne, Draper, Sonsie, Wilmot, Dittmar, Clarke, Curtis (18)

Quality with some question marks: Molan, Windhager, Ferres, Hough, Aleer, Regan, Brown, Soligo, Owens, Jones, Tunstill, Lohmann, Taylor, Benning, C.Hamilton, Beecken, Rankin, Burgoyne, Jackson, Uwland, Motlop, Rayson, Archer, Willis, Sheldrick, Dib, Williams, Murray, Rossimel, H.Hamilton, Butler, Bergman, Howes, (19 yr olds) Doultree, Trudgeon, Cleary, Gribble (37)

This is a good way to look at the overall list of players - there will be some players missing and some disagreements about how high or low players should be ranked but I think it’s a different way to look at the players available to be drafted.

[Lord Travis 10,141]

Based on bugger all knowledge (highlights and random internet write ups), I’d like us to grab one of Van Rooyen or Chesser if they’re available at our first pick.

[spirit of norm smith 12,834]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/688134/kevin-sheehan-reveals-his-top-nab-afl-draft-prospects-medium-tall-midfielders
 

Some absolute guns within this group. Horne-Francis, Daicos, Callaghan & Hobbs.  

Chesser is probably one in the frame for the Dees 1st pick. 

Connor Macdonald is another impressive midfielder with versatility and might go earlier than expected.  

[Jontee 3,632]

21 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I’m not certain whether this has been mentioned or not but a bigfooty poster Davo-27 has an interesting perspective on the draft. He ranks players in tiers starting with the elite tier and going down:-

Elite: Daicos, Horne-Francis, (Callaghan, Darcy) (4)

Top Tier: Hobbs, Erasmus, Ward, Goater, Amiss, Fahey, Van Rooyen, Wanganeen-Milera, M Johnson, Rachele (10)

Quality: Roberts, Sinn, Long, Knevitt, Bazzo, Gibcus, Andrew, Chesser, Conway, Banks, MacDonald, Browne, Draper, Sonsie, Wilmot, Dittmar, Clarke, Curtis (18)

Quality with some question marks: Molan, Windhager, Ferres, Hough, Aleer, Regan, Brown, Soligo, Owens, Jones, Tunstill, Lohmann, Taylor, Benning, C.Hamilton, Beecken, Rankin, Burgoyne, Jackson, Uwland, Motlop, Rayson, Archer, Willis, Sheldrick, Dib, Williams, Murray, Rossimel, H.Hamilton, Butler, Bergman, Howes, (19 yr olds) Doultree, Trudgeon, Cleary, Gribble (37)

This is a good way to look at the overall list of players - there will be some players missing and some disagreements about how high or low players should be ranked but I think it’s a different way to look at the players available to be drafted.

No Woey....

[Colm 1,473]

According to Cal Twomey Cats are favourites to get pick 23 of the dogs. I wonder will we get involved in that deal or try to trade with bulldogs for ones of the picks they get off the Cats. The Cats have 3 picks in the 30,s. Picks 30,32 and 34. 

[adonski 9,102]

November latest: The first-round interest in Howes is growing and the Demons are a genuine chance with their first pick. Melbourne has also officially nominated Woewodin as a father-son prospect but where will a bid come? If no rival club calls his name out, the son of Brownlow Medallist Shane will automatically join the club’s rookie list.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/afl-draft-2021-ultimate-guide-every-clubs-picks-list-needs-and-targets/news-story/5b9dd13a585b04bd10493a09f8e8794f

[Whispering_Jack 27,918]

The AFL’s talent ambassador Kevin “Shifter” Sheahan has filed his list of top draft prospects.

Kevin Sheehan's top 40 draft prospects: Who has traits like the Bont?

 

[spirit of norm smith 12,834]

3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The AFL’s talent ambassador Kevin “Shifter” Sheahan has filed his list of top draft prospects.

Kevin Sheehan's top 40 draft prospects: Who has traits like the Bont?

 

it’s a good read. Shifter is a legend in analysis of youngsters and of the draft going back probably 25+ years now. 

Some notable call outs 

Finn Callaghan. Player comparison the Bont 

Neil Erasmus. Player comparison Christian Petracca. 

yes I can see it but it’s a huge call. 
 

Loved that Shifter has referenced lots of Dees players in his player comparisons.
Erasmus >Petracca.  Gibcus> Lever.  Bazzo > May. Cooper Hamilton > Rivers. Andrew > Dogga.  
Sinn > Salem. Sheldrick > Viney. 
 

 

[Whispering_Jack 27,918]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Sheldrick > Viney

Ha, ha … I beat him to it.

[Whispering_Jack 27,918]

Mentioned elsewhere on Demonland is Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft.

Cal Twomey's 2021 Phantom AFL Draft: Top 30, late picks, club whispers

Highlights for Melbourne are that he believes that the club will select Blake Howes of the Sandringham Dragons and, his “whispers” for the rest are -

“A father-son is set to land at Melbourne for the first time since 2014 with Taj Woewodin nominated as a national pick, meaning if a bid doesn't come for the son of 2000 Brownlow medallist Shane then the Dees can automatically grab Woewodin with their last live selection. That appears the most likely outcome, with a bid not expected before Melbourne's third pick. Dandenong Stingrays forward/midfielder Judson Clarke could still be on the board at No.37 while the Dees have nominated Andy Moniz-Wakefield, an outside runner, through their Next Generation Academy and he could be a rookie shot. As could Anthony Caminiti, a 198cm forward who kicked five goals in his NAB League debut for the Northern Knights.”

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

49 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Mentioned elsewhere on Demonland is Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft.

Cal Twomey's 2021 Phantom AFL Draft: Top 30, late picks, club whispers

Highlights for Melbourne are that he believes that the club will select Blake Howes of the Sandringham Dragons and, his “whispers” for the rest are -

“A father-son is set to land at Melbourne for the first time since 2014 with Taj Woewodin nominated as a national pick, meaning if a bid doesn't come for the son of 2000 Brownlow medallist Shane then the Dees can automatically grab Woewodin with their last live selection. That appears the most likely outcome, with a bid not expected before Melbourne's third pick. Dandenong Stingrays forward/midfielder Judson Clarke could still be on the board at No.37 while the Dees have nominated Andy Moniz-Wakefield, an outside runner, through their Next Generation Academy and he could be a rookie shot. As could Anthony Caminiti, a 198cm forward who kicked five goals in his NAB League debut for the Northern Knights.”

The way I have read it is we only have 3 picks maybe Howes, Clarke and definitely Woewodin then we have a rookie b category in Moniz-Wakefield and we may rookie Caminiti.

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

On 11/21/2021 at 9:57 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

it’s a good read. Shifter is a legend in analysis of youngsters and of the draft going back probably 25+ years now. 

Some notable call outs 

Finn Callaghan. Player comparison the Bont 

Neil Erasmus. Player comparison Christian Petracca. 

yes I can see it but it’s a huge call. 
 

Loved that Shifter has referenced lots of Dees players in his player comparisons.
Erasmus >Petracca.  Gibcus> Lever.  Bazzo > May. Cooper Hamilton > Rivers. Andrew > Dogga.  
Sinn > Salem. Sheldrick > Viney. 
 

 

Shifter has never seen a bad player so I don't take much notice of him.

[Turner 1,482]

12 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Shifter has never seen a bad player so I don't take much notice of him.

he was at a game i played in once watching some of my now famous teammates, so he's definitely seen at least one bad player :'(

[Whispering_Jack 27,918]

This is Chris Doerre’s Phantom Draft 

Every club, every pick: ESPN's full AFL phantom draft

You may call me a cynic but it does help your accuracy to be second, a day after Cal Twomey. 

[The Great Pretender 430]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

This is Chris Doerre’s Phantom Draft 

Every club, every pick: ESPN's full AFL phantom draft

You may call me a cynic but it does help your accuracy to be second, a day after Cal Twomey. 

Doerre has gone on record as saying that he doesn’t rate Chesser. 

He’s also indicating that Melbourne will only draft 2 players plus Taj Woewodin.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

11 minutes ago, The Great Pretender said:

Doerre has gone on record as saying that he doesn’t rate Chesser. 

He’s also indicating that Melbourne will only draft 2 players plus Taj Woewodin.

I noticed that, yet he now has Chesser as a first rounder going to us at #17.  Major change of heart by 'Knightmare'.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

13 minutes ago, The Great Pretender said:

Doerre has gone on record as saying that he doesn’t rate Chesser. 

He’s also indicating that Melbourne will only draft 2 players plus Taj Woewodin.

I wouldnt be concerned if I was Chesser, Doerre is the second worst judge of football talent who regularly comments on the subject!

[The Great Pretender 430]

1 minute ago, IvanBartul13 said:

I wouldnt be concerned if I was Chesser, Doerre is the second worst judge of football talent who regularly comments on the subject!

Who’s the worst?

[adonski 9,102]

3 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I noticed that, yet he now has Chesser as a first rounder going to us at #17.  Major change of heart by 'Knightmare'.

His phantom drafts (Chesser@ 17) is what he expects to happen, his power rankings where he doesn’t include Chesser are just his overall ranking of talent 

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

29 minutes ago, adonski said:

His phantom drafts (Chester @ 17) is what he expects to happen, his power rankings where he doesn’t include Chesser are just his overall ranking of talent 

I guess that says a lot about his assessment of talent:  Knightmare doesn't rate him in the top 50 ranking, yet recruiters have him in the top 20.  Hmmm...

[Whispering_Jack 27,918]

14 hours ago, adonski said:

His phantom drafts (Chesser @ 17) is what he expects to happen, his power rankings where he doesn’t include Chesser are just his overall ranking of talent

He’s dramatically downgraded Chesser right out of the park in his power rankings because he claimed he hadn’t seen enough of his output. Yet, he upgraded Mac Andrew to top 20 in his power rankings on the strength of one so so quarter for the Academy after earlier stating that the “team got pumped by 100+ points. I wouldn't read too much into anyone's performances”. He also incorrectly claimed back in early May that Andrew weighed nearly 80k (he’s still 74kg today). There’s lots more this year. Still, he’s entitled to his opinions but I wish he expressed them consistently. 

Here’s his latest power rankings - 

November's AFL Draft Power Rankings: No. 1 player locked in as bolters make their moves

[cantstandyasam 700]

3 hours ago, IvanBartul13 said:

I wouldnt be concerned if I was Chesser, Doerre is the second worst judge of football talent who regularly comments on the subject!

Who's the first.

[Demon Disciple 10,899]

1 hour ago, cantstandyasam said:

Who's the first.

Pretendergast

[Chelly 738]

In the early part of the draft, great minds think alike - Phantom AFL draft first round: where the best prospects could land

[dee-tox 4,772]

6 hours ago, The Great Pretender said:

Doerre has gone on record as saying that he doesn’t rate Chesser. 

 

He also famously said Clayton Oliver and Luke Jackson were not worthy of first round picks. His knowledge of football is very poor.

Just because you spend time doing something doesn't mean you are good at it.