Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted
3 minutes ago, Kent said:

I was told this by the coach involved why would he say it if it wasnt the case

Nice to get bit of inside information on these type things.  Curious did he elaborate much? Did he also have good things to say?

Was not questioning the original post on this at all, just have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to remembering names.

Posted

Loved how Oskar Baker took control of his destiny. Hard to delist after that performance 

  • Like 10
  • Thanks 1

Posted
1 hour ago, sue said:

Was pleased to see that Max whacked the ball forward a couple of times at bounces.

McClure and Matt Clinch we’re talking about this on the abc sat afternoon? How the tap out by ruckmen is ineffective and does not result in a clearance. Why don’t they occasionally just bash the ball towards F50?

Posted
57 minutes ago, deanox said:

There was also a bizarre call against GWS early "you can't handball to a player who is crossing the mark", and I am 99.9% sure than is not a real rule (unless it's been added in recent seasons).

Just had a squizz at the 2020 rules and could not find any such thing. Nothing whatsoever about "crossing the mark" or anything like it.

 

Closest I could see was this:

20.1.2  Protected Area
(b)  No Player shall enter and remain in the Protected Area unless the field Umpire calls ‘Play On’ or the Player from the Opposing Team is accompanying or following within two metres of their opponent.

Note that it says "no Player", which (apart from the exception regarding following your opponent) means even teammates of the player with the ball. Which is typical of the very sloppy wording of the rules, and if it really does mean "no Player" from either team, then the rule is breached about 1,000 times each match.

Nonetheless it doesn't seem to fit the incident last night, which was very strange and would indicate (yet again) that the umps don't officiate to the rule book, but to an imaginary version of the game which exists only in someone's head.

  • Thanks 1
Posted
11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Something interesting to note. Rivers post-game said the senior players were helping the kids defend. Then this from May:

Maybe, finally, some proper leadership?

It's nice to learn who our backline coach is

  • Like 5
  • Haha 4

Posted
25 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Was good to see Tracc have a go at Mumford after he smacked Clarry. He was clearly brought in to play the man, which he did often and without the umps pulling him up for it.

I commented on this during the game. It was yet another example of appalling umpiring.

  • Like 7
  • Love 2
Posted
32 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Was good to see Tracc have a go at Mumford after he smacked Clarry. He was clearly brought in to play the man, which he did often and without the umps pulling him up for it.

Yes i was very proud of Trac for doing this.

  • Like 2
  • Love 1
Posted
4 minutes ago, KLV said:

Loved how Oskar Baker took control of his destiny. Hard to delist after that performance 

He has another year to run anyway :)

I reckon we are harsh on some of the players trying to make the step up from reserves grade football to the Seniors.  It takes time to feel at home amongst a bunch of idols and peers that have bigger bodies and more preseasons.  Oskar had played 3 really good games in the Covid affected 12 or 14 a side scratch matches.  I am glad he did not get dropped after one week in horrible conditions for anyone to really show their skills.  I feel Bedford is another who deserves more than 5 minutes in the team, will surprise many when he gets going.

It took Max quite a while before he had a breakout game.  Seasons in fact.  I think we need to give younger players a bit more leeway when it comes to judging them so quickly.  Too many are labeled spuds or cop unwarranted criticism imo.

Senior players should be much more accountable and consistent.  The only players i got annoyed with last night overly was Melksham and Lever.  Lever i can forgive because he really played great in the last quarter particularly, and made up for some of his earlier screw ups.  Melksham played different role in last 2 weeks but i know he can give more, and expect him to give it.

Spargo/Kozzie/Rivers were all great at times too.  Young leaders that i hope continue to grow/develop!

  • Like 6
  • Thanks 1

Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Just had a squizz at the 2020 rules and could not find any such thing. Nothing whatsoever about "crossing the mark" or anything like it.

 

Closest I could see was this:

20.1.2  Protected Area
(b)  No Player shall enter and remain in the Protected Area unless the field Umpire calls ‘Play On’ or the Player from the Opposing Team is accompanying or following within two metres of their opponent.

Note that it says "no Player", which (apart from the exception regarding following your opponent) means even teammates of the player with the ball. Which is typical of the very sloppy wording of the rules, and if it really does mean "no Player" from either team, then the rule is breached about 1,000 times each match.

Nonetheless it doesn't seem to fit the incident last night, which was very strange and would indicate (yet again) that the umps don't officiate to the rule book, but to an imaginary version of the game which exists only in someone's head.

I didn't know that "the Opposing Team is accompanying or following within two metres of their opponent."  As little as that!   Must be broken at almost every mark or free.    And the rule doesn't seem to mention that is OK as long as you run at some unspecified angle away from the area with your hands in the air.

Once again a poorly worded and poorly enforced rule trying to achieve a reasonable objective.  How about leaving it to the umps to decide if the player running through is any real threat to the player or his options in taking the kick?   Most of the time the 50m is paid they are no threat at all.  And the penalty is enormous.

Similarly for paying 50m for tackling when a player clearly plays on but the ump hasn't got around to shouting play on in time.  By all means shout as it makes things clear to the player with the ball.  Occasionally they do this, but it is rare.  Use discretion rather than a wooly rule.

Edited by sue
  • Love 2
Posted
2 hours ago, Cards13 said:

When I saw that I couldn’t believe it was allowed, isn’t the free supposed to go to the player who won the free ie Trac should have been called back to take his free? Or was it an advantage play on? Even then I thought it had to be Trac to take the ball to take the advantage.

I had thought Trac had just assessed we would be awarded the advantage. Maybe it was more illegal than smart and that's why it stood out so much. Unfortunately I can't check the replay as I've run out of non-football-following friends with credit cards and so my golden run of free Kayo trials has come to an end.   

Posted
2 hours ago, Biffen said:

I'm glad everyone enjoyed the win but I'm not that enthused.

It was a club with no Brains beating a club with no heart and soul.

If we lost I wouldn't have been surprised in the slightest.

 

I get it’s been a  tough year to be a dee ... on top of Covid . But gotta give some credit where it’s due Biffen. I thought that GWS team last night was really good and playing with an intensity they’ve been missing. Commentators saying it was one of the best games of the year. 
 

  • Like 6
Posted
7 minutes ago, sue said:

Once again a poorly worded and poorly enforced rule trying to achieve a reasonable objective.  How about leaving it to the umps to decide if the player running through is any real threat to the player or his options in taking the kick?   Most of the time the 50m is paid they are no threat at all.  And the penalty is enormous.

It's an AFL classic. Player with the ball is interfered with by oppo player lurking nearby (I think it was Hawks who specialised in this) ... introduce "protected area" rule ... introduce annual revisions fixing up loopholes ... now the rule is so technical, and we see so many 50s awarded for players in the "protected zone" who aren't having any influence whatsoever ...

They should revisit the purpose of the rule and prevent oppo players interfering with the player with the ball. I recognise that "interfering" is subjective, but I think anyone can watch a game and identify what's fair and what's not, and the rule should have wording based on that.

  • Like 3
  • Thanks 2
Posted
39 minutes ago, KLV said:

Loved how Oskar Baker took control of his destiny. Hard to delist after that performance 

He was never going to be delisted this year. 

Posted

Talk about Jekyll & Hyde. This mob jut do your head in but I suppose we should be used to it by now. Which team will turn up next week?. Need Hawks to pull one out today. Go Hawks.

Posted
11 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I get it’s been a  tough year to be a dee ... on top of Covid . But gotta give some credit where it’s due Biffen. I thought that GWS team last night was really good and playing with an intensity they’ve been missing. Commentators saying it was one of the best games of the year. 
 

Sorry to be negative but that does not say a lot considering the crap that has been delivered most games. Not sure why but the average level of games has been way down on last year which was not exactly great. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, sue said:

I didn't know that "the Opposing Team is accompanying or following within two metres of their opponent."  As little as that!   Must be broken at almost every mark or free.    And the rule doesn't seem to mention that is OK as long as you run at some unspecified angle away from the area with your hands in the air.

The times they choose not to enforce it ... "oh well, 5 metres is close enough to 2 metres" ... versus the times they do ... "that guy is only 9.5 metres away even though he clearly has no intention of assaulting the player with the ball"

The rule as it stands is a joke, as is the deliberate out of bounds (again open season for poorly disguised wayward handpasses). Meanwhile, throwing, dropping it, going to ground when tackled to force a ballup ... carry on, lads.

  • Like 2
  • Love 1
Posted
30 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I had thought Trac had just assessed we would be awarded the advantage. Maybe it was more illegal than smart and that's why it stood out so much. Unfortunately I can't check the replay as I've run out of non-football-following friends with credit cards and so my golden run of free Kayo trials has come to an end.   

Lace out on YouTube does a good highlights package. Includes all frees, goals and behinds. Gets put up very quickly too

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 2
Posted
19 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

It's an AFL classic. Player with the ball is interfered with by oppo player lurking nearby (I think it was Hawks who specialised in this) ... introduce "protected area" rule ... introduce annual revisions fixing up loopholes ... now the rule is so technical, and we see so many 50s awarded for players in the "protected zone" who aren't having any influence whatsoever ...

They should revisit the purpose of the rule and prevent oppo players interfering with the player with the ball. I recognise that "interfering" is subjective, but I think anyone can watch a game and identify what's fair and what's not, and the rule should have wording based on that.

As Confucius said. Broadly worded laws are more workable than specific laws. Then again the umpires seem to have free reign to interpret all laws as they wish anyway.

  • Love 1

Posted

Just watched the highlights for the third time.

Rivers last couple of minutes were huge - the goal, then the spoil and then splitting a pack of four players apart to knock the ball back to our advantage was so great to see. He has a lot of go and is exactly the sort of player we needed out of last years draft.

  • Like 8
Posted

Probably too little too late.  Typical.

Great effort though.  We played from the first bounce with the intensity required the previous two weeks.  Frustrating to say the least.  We also had  a smarter team picked.  We just seemed to do things more simply.  More common sense footy.  More common sense selections.  

ANB should be docked a match fee for his golf swing celebration with the accompanying statement ' you are not good enough and never will be good enough to be doing that sort of shid'.  Get rid of him.  

Viney was really bad for first 3 quarters.  He is not nearly as evasive or as strong as he thinks he is.  Costs us throughout games with this misbelief many times. Sort of came good in the last.  

Umpires hardly helped us at any point.  Robbed so many times.  We should have won by more.  They kicked a few out their arses GWS.

Nev, love him.  Simply need his experienced head out there.

The weid strugggling to mark a ball.  Doesn't help.

Yeah great to win, but not as bad as it was to lose those Cairns games.  The pain and anger is still there for me.

 

 

 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, pinkshark said:

Probably too little too late.  Typical.

Great effort though.  We played from the first bounce with the intensity required the previous two weeks.  Frustrating to say the least.  We also had  a smarter team picked.  We just seemed to do things more simply.  More common sense footy.  More common sense selections.  

ANB should be docked a match fee for his golf swing celebration with the accompanying statement ' you are not good enough and never will be good enough to be doing that sort of shid'.  Get rid of him.  

Viney was really bad for first 3 quarters.  He is not nearly as evasive or as strong as he thinks he is.  Costs us throughout games with this misbelief many times. Sort of came good in the last.  

Umpires hardly helped us at any point.  Robbed so many times.  We should have won by more.  They kicked a few out their arses GWS.

Nev, love him.  Simply need his experienced head out there.

The weid strugggling to mark a ball.  Doesn't help.

Yeah great to win, but not as bad as it was to lose those Cairns games.  The pain and anger is still there for me.

 

 

 

 

Bit rough, it was just a tribute to his injured mate Gus.

Re Jetta, he just continues to get the ball and go head first into traffic which has been a problem all year when he's played. Unfortunately, although he did a few nice things the end is nigh for Nev.

  • Like 1
Posted
2 hours ago, sue said:

Does the AFL have a ban on coaches using megaphones?  Either that or a lot of coaches are getting laryngitis for little effect.  Wouldn't make much sense when there is a crowd but this year, why not?

No ... but absolutely no doubt if Goody tried it next week, and if we had a big win, the AFL would find some way to take away our points on some retroactive rule alteration or introduction.

2 hours ago, sue said:

Was pleased to see that Max whacked the ball forward a couple of times at bounces.

It certainly made us far more unpredictable - I wonder if the midfield and half forwards are given some "secret signal" that he is about to do it?

57 minutes ago, sue said:

I didn't know that "the Opposing Team is accompanying or following within two metres of their opponent."  As little as that!   Must be broken at almost every mark or free.    And the rule doesn't seem to mention that is OK as long as you run at some unspecified angle away from the area with your hands in the air.

Once again a poorly worded and poorly enforced rule trying to achieve a reasonable objective.  How about leaving it to the umps to decide if the player running through is any real threat to the player or his options in taking the kick?   Most of the time the 50m is paid they are no threat at all.  And the penalty is enormous.

Similarly for paying 50m for tackling when a player clearly plays on but the ump hasn't got around to shouting play on in time.  By all means shout as it makes things clear to the player with the ball.  Occasionally they do this, but it is rare.  Use discretion rather than a wooly rule.

Agree 100% - common sense needs to be brought in.  Did the "violation" have any effect on the play?

Posted
34 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

It's an AFL classic. Player with the ball is interfered with by oppo player lurking nearby (I think it was Hawks who specialised in this) ... introduce "protected area" rule ... introduce annual revisions fixing up loopholes ... now the rule is so technical, and we see so many 50s awarded for players in the "protected zone" who aren't having any influence whatsoever ...

They should revisit the purpose of the rule and prevent oppo players interfering with the player with the ball. I recognise that "interfering" is subjective, but I think anyone can watch a game and identify what's fair and what's not, and the rule should have wording based on that.

Football is such an odd sport with a number of subjective rule interpretations requiring umpires to determine player motives (e.g. deliberate out-of-bounds, a 'genuine' attempt to get rid of the ball) but I support this, and think it should also be applied more closely to time-wasting.

It's reasonably clear when players are interfering, even if accidental. So many 50m penalties are awarded where both the viewers and players have no idea what just happened. However, holding the ball is already largely an instinct call, which I don't support at all. If it looks bad, the rules go out the window. 

On another note, I enjoyed watching the tight contest last night, but I think it's also a case-study in how much of an impact umpiring can have on the game - both the calls and non-calls. Momentum is a huge factor in sport. We got hammered in the second and then got the rub in the third - the umpiring in line with the momentum. 

Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

There will be a few upset on here tonight.

Hats off to Nev Jetta. 

Has Viney dropped his head?

Viney was typically Viney, tried to break tackle after tackle after tackle as iterated a limited footballer. He should have been a Rugby player. Spargo was ok 1 Good goal the other gifted 13 possessions 10 uncontested about as good as he will get. May AA.I thought Brown was creative, Smith OK, Hunt Ditto, Lever whatever we paid for him was overs, Trac very good as was Langdon! Rivers and Kossy Excellent, Kossy could have had 5 goals to his name. Baker also good. One other thing that MONGREL  Mumford should get a couple of weeks for that hit on Clarry!

Edited by picket fence
  • Like 2
Posted

Is that the last time we'll see Jetta in the red & blue? I wouldn't be surprised if he was to retire, and realistically he doesn't have much left in him. Spent his whole career getting battered without much protection from the umps (has to have one of the hardest heads in the league). A sad way to bow out if so - but fitting that it was through Nev doing Nev things. The club absolutely has to do everything it can to ensure he sticks around post-playing, even with the reduced soft caps. 

  • Like 9
  • Shocked 1

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #15 Ed Langdon

    The Demon running machine came back with a vengeance after a leaner than usual year in 2023.  Date of Birth: 1 February 1996 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 22 Career Total: 179 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 76 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5 Melbourne Football Club: 5th Best & Fairest: 352 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #24 Trent Rivers

    The premiership defender had his best year yet as he was given the opportunity to move into the midfield and made a good fist of it. Date of Birth: 30 July 2001 Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 100 Goals MFC 2024: 2 Career Total:  9 Brownlow Medal Votes: 7 Melbourne Football Club: 6th Best & Fairest: 350 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    TRAINING: Monday 11th November 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin, Slartibartfast & Demon Wheels were on hand at Gosch's Paddock to kick off the official first training session for the 1st to 4th year players with a few elder statesmen in attendance as well. KEV MARTIN'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Beautiful morning. Joy all round, they look like they want to be there.  21 in the squad. Looks like the leadership group is TMac, Viney Chandler and Petty. They look like they have sli

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #1 Steven May

    The years are rolling by but May continued to be rock solid in a key defensive position despite some injury concerns. He showed great resilience in coming back from a nasty rib injury and is expected to continue in that role for another couple of seasons. Date of Birth: 10 January 1992 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 19 Career Total: 235 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 24 Melbourne Football Club: 9th Best & Fairest: 316 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #4 Judd McVee

    It was another strong season from McVee who spent most of his time mainly at half back but he also looked at home on a few occasions when he was moved into the midfield. There could be more of that in 2025. Date of Birth: 7 August 2003 Height: 185cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 48 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 1 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1 Melbourne Football Club: 7th Best & Fairest: 347 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #31 Bayley Fritsch

    Once again the club’s top goal scorer but he had a few uncharacteristic flat spots during the season and the club will be looking for much better from him in 2025. Date of Birth: 6 December 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 149 Goals MFC 2024: 41 Career Total: 252 Brownlow Medal Votes: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9

    2024 Player Reviews: #18 Jake Melksham

    After sustaining a torn ACL in the final match of the 2023 season Jake added a bit to the attack late in the 2024 season upon his return. He has re-signed on to the Demons for 1 more season in 2025. Date of Birth: 12 August 1991 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 229 Goals MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 188

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 7

    2024 Player Reviews: #3 Christian Salem

    The luckless Salem suffered a hamstring injury against the Lions early in the season and, after missing a number of games, he was never at his best. He was also inconvenienced by minor niggles later in the season. This was a blow for the club that sorely needed him to fill gaps in the midfield at times as well as to do his best work in defence. Date of Birth: 15 July 1995 Height: 184cm Games MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 176 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 26 Brownlow Meda

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #39 Koltyn Tholstrop

    The first round draft pick at #13 from twelve months ago the strongly built medium forward has had an impressive introduction to AFL football and is expected to spend more midfield moments as his career progresses. Date of Birth: 25 July 2005 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 10 Goals MFC 2024: 5 Career Total: 5 Games CDFC 2024: 7 Goals CDFC 2024: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...