the only players i'd list as absolutely keepers would be:

• may
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• langdon
• rivers
• pickett

everyone else is expendable or can be replaced with another b-grade equivalent, and the three youngsters are only on this list cos they show some promise going forward

that being said, if freo were to offer fyfe and hogan for jackson, for instance, you'd be a fool to say no

it comes back to the leigh montagna theory - pay yr best players big coin to hang around, cos the majority of the next tier and down are completely interchangeable around the league

57 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the only players i'd list as absolutely keepers would be:

• may
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• langdon
• rivers
• pickett

everyone else is expendable or can be replaced with another b-grade equivalent, and the three youngsters are only on this list cos they show some promise going forward

that being said, if freo were to offer fyfe and hogan for jackson, for instance, you'd be a fool to say no

it comes back to the leigh montagna theory - pay yr best players big coin to hang around, cos the majority of the next tier and down are completely interchangeable around the league

Agree with those but as well I’d keep Salem because he’s a decent kick, Weideman because key forwards are hard to come by and I think he has shown enough improvement this year to show he’s worth persisting with. And Viney because he has leadership qualities.

56 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the only players i'd list as absolutely keepers would be:

• may
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• langdon
• rivers
• pickett

I agree fully with this list.

On top of Hibberd and Viney, these are the only lads in my opinion who are AFL lever footballers at present.

FB:   Lever.       May.    Rivers

HB:  Hibberd.    ???      ????

C.    Langdon.   Viney.  ???

HF:   ???        ???      ????

FF:    Picket.    Jackson.   ???

R:   Gawn.   Oliver.   Trac. 

I’m a Weid fan but he still needs to keep improving to continually get a game.

There’s a hell of a lot of holes to be plugged imo.

I’ve lost the emotional attachment to most players as I’ve gotten older so I’m all for trading a star if the right deal came along.

We need to get real busy this year at trade week and look for some quality free agents.

If we bring in a Preuss or Tomlinson like I’ll be filthy.

Go hard for more quality please

On 8/5/2020 at 3:36 PM, whatwhatsaywhat said:

KEEP:

• may
• salem
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• hibberd
• langdon
• melksham
• hannan
• tomlinson
• vandenberg
• jordan
• rivers
• weideman
• sparrow
• petty
• pickett
• lockhart

TRADE / RELEASE TO FREE AGENCY OPTIONS:

• harmes
• viney
• brayshaw
• preuss
• t mac
• o mac
• anb
• fritsch
• smith

LIKELY DELIST / RETIRE:

• jones
• spargo
• bedford
• kolodjashnij
• neitschke
• hunt
• baker
• hore
• chandler
• brown
• jetta
• c wagner
• j wagner
• bradtke
• dunkley

There’s a lot on this list who are simply not up to it. I’d be all for wholesale changes to find a few that may surprise us - we have nothing to lose because we are getting very little from 90% of the list.

Of the above, I’d move Melksham, Hannan and VDB down a rung. They are good 1 in every 4-5 weeks. That’s simply not enough.

Even if I don’t necessarily agree with Goody’s methods, the bare minimum to be an AFL player should be to turn up and give 100% every week. He’s got an impossible task with such inconsistent effort. 
 

We need to get a core group of players who have confidence and belief in their ability. Our guys turn to water as soon as any heat comes.

Maybe we need to invest in psychologists and teachers

 

 

16 hours ago, Deeko2 said:

I agree fully with this list.

On top of Hibberd and Viney, these are the only lads in my opinion who are AFL lever footballers at present.

FB:   Lever.       May.    Rivers

HB:  Hibberd.    ???      ????

C.    Langdon.   Viney.  ???

HF:   ???        ???      ????

FF:    Picket.    Jackson.   ???

R:   Gawn.   Oliver.   Trac. 

I’m a Weid fan but he still needs to keep improving to continually get a game.

There’s a hell of a lot of holes to be plugged imo.

I’ve lost the emotional attachment to most players as I’ve gotten older so I’m all for trading a star if the right deal came along.

We need to get real busy this year at trade week and look for some quality free agents.

If we bring in a Preuss or Tomlinson like I’ll be filthy.

Go hard for more quality please

I would argue that none of Jackson, Pickett or Rivers are “AFL standard” at this moment. That is not to say they will not become so next year. None would get a game with any of the top 4 clubs at the moment. And Hibberd definitely not, even though he is having a better year than past. So that leaves us pretty thin. Which is why I have been saying for the past month or so that a lot of posters over rate our list. As to trading for quality, we don’t have a lot of currency. We don’t have a first round pick this year. And quality free agents want to go to a club where they can see a premiership in the next couple of years. And that definitely isn’t us.

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by Guest

On 6/12/2020 at 4:17 AM, WERRIDEE said:

WEIDEMAN FOR DANIHER

Just no.

17 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the only players i'd list as absolutely keepers would be:

• may
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• langdon
• rivers
• pickett

everyone else is expendable or can be replaced with another b-grade equivalent, and the three youngsters are only on this list cos they show some promise going forward

that being said, if freo were to offer fyfe and hogan for jackson, for instance, you'd be a fool to say no

it comes back to the leigh montagna theory - pay yr best players big coin to hang around, cos the majority of the next tier and down are completely interchangeable around the league

Agree with all these players but  would add Weid. Its sad its such a small number.

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by leave it to deever

Anyone think Charlie Curnow is worth chasing. 

iirc we were very keen on him until the last minute at draft time.

the only players i'd list as absolutely keepers would be:

• may
• petracca
• jackson
• lever
• gawn
• oliver
• langdon
• rivers

Brayshaw I rate almost as highly as Petracca. If it is for J.Cameron Id sell either.

 

Hannan’s contract is up end of this season IIRC, keep or delist? 

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

 How much longer do we persist with this setup / playing group before we make wholesale changes? IMO changing your best 22 by 5-10 would constitute a mini rebuild, 10+ would be a rebuild. 
 

So at what point do we pull the trigger on a mini rebuild? Do we persist with the current mob for another year  and target 2-3 key players for example Finlayson or equivalent for Tmac, Williams for Harmes / Brayshaw or Viney, Papley for a Spargo / Fritsch/ AnB during the trade period?

Do we think that a coach change will translate to immediate success? Because a new coach would bring a new game style / plan , which with this mob might Struggle to implement in one pre season.

My guess is as good as anyone else’s but knowing what we know, I think we will probably do very little given the uncertainty in list sizes etc.

14 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Hannan’s contract is up end of this season IIRC, keep or delist? 

One year base deal with game incentives. Otherwise delist. Realistically in a shortened year with shortened games and limited view of a draft which was already highly compromised due to high NGA’s I dont think you can cut harder that 7-8 players that are unknowns. There will be players that get contracts that are not first 18 but that is fine as long as the length and the salary is commensurate with the role. 

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by big_red_fire_engine

16 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Hannan’s contract is up end of this season IIRC, keep or delist? 

Without giving too much thought into who else will be delisted, I would say delist him. Just doesn’t do enough often enough for me.

24 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

One year base deal with game incentives. Otherwise delist. Realistically in a shortened year with shortened games and limited view of a draft which was already highly compromised due to high NGA’s I dont think you can cut harder that 7-8 players that are unknowns. There will be players that get contracts that are not first 18 but that is fine as long as the length and the salary is commensurate with the role. 

Delist

27 minutes ago, trout said:

Without giving too much thought into who else will be delisted, I would say delist him. Just doesn’t do enough often enough for me.

He does some good things when we’re up and about but goes missing far too often. I’m 50/50 at the moment, depending on who else is likely to get cut. Here’s the current list with OOC date, with thanks to @Lucifer's Hero: 

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Based on the view of not delisting harder than 7 (does not mean we dont trade above this) we need to clear those we dont believe can play a role in 2021 and beyond. We also need to consider the amount of contract and length and size they would partake. 

I would be delisting in order Jones (retire), Hore, Hunt, J Wagner, Smith, OMac, Hannan,

I would be promoting Lockhart to the list and delisting Brown and C Wagner and possibly Dunkley

Whilst in contract I will not be surprised to see KK retire due to his concussion issues.

 

1 minute ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Based on the view of not delisting harder than 7 (does not mean we dont trade above this) we need to clear those we dont believe can play a role in 2021 and beyond. We also need to consider the amount of contract and length and size they would partake. 

I would be delisting in order Jones (retire), Hore, Hunt, J Wagner, Smith, OMac, Hannan,

I would be promoting Lockhart to the list and delisting Brown and C Wagner and possibly Dunkley

Whilst in contract I will not be surprised to see KK retire due to his concussion issues.

 

Agree with pretty much all of those, perhaps with the exception of Hore, if OMac and Smith are gone then I’d like to retain him. 

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

On 6/12/2020 at 4:17 AM, WERRIDEE said:

I know it's early but I thought it would be a little fun to predict trades, promotions and delistings.

TRADE

WEIDEMAN FOR DANIHER.

I know Daniher is a free agent but we can do what Geelong did with Dangerfield and trade for him.

SPARROW AND PETTY FOR PORT'S FIRST RND PICK.

O.MCDONALD FOR A 3RD RND PICK

HUNT FOR A 3RD RND PICK

DELIST

SPARGO

HIBBERD

KOLODJASHNIJ

C.WAGNER

J.WAGNER

 

PROMOTE

BENNELL

LOCKHART

BRADTKE

 

SENIOR LIST

MAY

JONES

SALEM

HARMES

PETRACCA

JACKSON

VINEY

LEVER

DANIHER

BRAYSHAW

GAWN

BEDFORD

OLIVER

FIRST RND PICK

LANGDON

SECOND RND PICK

BENNELL

MELKSHAM

HANNAN

TOMLINSON

PREUSS

VANDENBERG

JORDON

RIVERS

MCDONALD

3RD RND PICK

NEITSCHKE

3RD RND PICK

3RD RND PICK

NEAL-BULLEN

FRITSCH

BAKER

HORE

BRADTKE

PICKETT

JETTA

LOCKHART

SMITH

 

ROOKIE

CHANDLER (3RD YEAR)

BROWN (SECOND YEAR)

DUNKLEY (3RD YEAR)

ROOKIE (RND 1)

ROOKIE (RND 2)

ROOKIE (RND 3)

Viney  and  Brayshaw  for  Dangerfield. I am sure Geelong  would be interested .

9 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Based on the view of not delisting harder than 7 (does not mean we dont trade above this) we need to clear those we dont believe can play a role in 2021 and beyond. We also need to consider the amount of contract and length and size they would partake. 

I would be delisting in order Jones (retire), Hore, Hunt, J Wagner, Smith, OMac, Hannan,

I would be promoting Lockhart to the list and delisting Brown and C Wagner and possibly Dunkley

Whilst in contract I will not be surprised to see KK retire due to his concussion issues.

I'm thinking that other clubs might pick up Hunt, Omac or Hannan. 

For whatever reason their careers at the dees seem limited and they could fulfill a need at other clubs so I would like to see their careers continue. 

15 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Based on the view of not delisting harder than 7 (does not mean we dont trade above this) we need to clear those we dont believe can play a role in 2021 and beyond. We also need to consider the amount of contract and length and size they would partake. 

I would be delisting in order Jones (retire), Hore, Hunt, J Wagner, Smith, OMac, Hannan,

I would be promoting Lockhart to the list and delisting Brown and C Wagner and possibly Dunkley

Whilst in contract I will not be surprised to see KK retire due to his concussion issues.

 

I think i would delist TMac before Brown. At least Brown can move.

14 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm thinking that other clubs might pick up Hunt, Omac or Hannan. 

For whatever reason their careers at the dees seem limited and they could fulfill a need at other clubs so I would like to see their careers continue. 

They may but I doubt its a worthwhile trade it will be as delisting.

On Hore I would retain on a one year deal just because he hasn’t had a run at it this year. 

Just now, big_red_fire_engine said:

They may but I doubt its a worthwhile trade it will be as delisting.

On Hore I would retain on a one year deal just because he hasn’t had a run at it this year. 

Yeah, good point.

MFC has been pretty decent at delisting players early so they can be taken as 'Delisted Free Agents' (which cost the receiving club nothing but a list spot). 

Thinking about it a bit further, shrinking player lists may deter clubs from taking DFA's. 

DELIST: Hannan, Hunt, OMcDonald, Smith, CWagner, JWagner

RETIRE: Jones, Jetta, Kolodjashnij

UPGRADE: Lockhart

TRADE BAIT: TMcDonald (Ess/Haw/Gee/Coll/Dogs), ANB (good luck finding anyone), VDB (sydney as per 2yrs ago?)

DELIST TO RE-ROOKIE: Neitschke 

28 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Agree with pretty much all of those, perhaps with the exception of Hore, if OMac and Smith are gone then I’d like to retain him. 

Would like to see Smith tried as a forward otherwise I think a big clean out is necessary. There is a lot of deadwood on our list.Wish we were like Melbourne Storm, they've been around 20 odd years and have won premierships, played finals and always been in contention. Unfortunately as a club we have accepted "not good enough" for too long and too many of our players play for the paycheck and so they can say that they are AFL players - sad indictment on this administration and all previous ones since 1964.

.

Edited September 5, 20204 yr by Turner