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1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

 

I'm quite confident that Jones can make a contribution, especially with shortened quarters/season.  He's got some real potential forward of centre with short stints in the middle.

Hibberd is a big worry for me and could come under real pressure if they persist with Harmes at half back.  It seems that they want Harmes to be playing the role that Hibberd was traded in for.  Strong body, accountable and long, accurate kick.  Hibberd has been battling for the last two years, but injuries in the back half have kept the pressure off.

I too would be surprised if Bennell plays, but could easily see Sparrow, Bedford, AVB or ANB filling that position.  Sparrow and Bedford in particular were showing some very promising signs this year.

I am at loss with Harmes in the backline.

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    3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Increasing question marks over these players. If they cannot deliver against Carlton I think we have our answer.

    My concern is that Goodwin will not have the players up mentally for this game. To say we need to win this one is an understatement.

    I think this is a pivotal game for Goodwin especially if we lose playing the same way as last year and in round 1 this year. If we've fixed the problem then we win comfortably, lose and the knives will be out.

    28 minutes ago, loges said:

    I think this is a pivotal game for Goodwin especially if we lose playing the same way as last year and in round 1 this year. If we've fixed the problem then we win comfortably, lose and the knives will be out.

    One thing I'll be looking for is use of our dominance in the ruck. Why we don't have four set plays with say two variants per play just amazes me. I also wonder if our tactics are better served by a secondary centre bounce than the primary bounce

    No use banging it into the forward fifty for the inevitable ball up that brings 24 plus players into the forward fifty.

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    1 hour ago, dl4e said:

    I am at loss with Harmes in the backline.

    Harmes back is an attacking move.

    Can play defensive (as per his tagging  during 18 finals)

    Can play attacking

    Good skills

    Good pace

    Good run

    Can play taller with his leap

    Good on the ground.

    hard/tuff/ disciplined /

    tick,tick, tick, tick.

    Not everyone can play mid.

     

     

     

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    FB: JETTA.             MAY.               LEVER.  

    HB: HARMES.   O MCDONALD.    SALEM. 

    ? LANGDON.    OLIVER.   TOMLINSON.  

    HF: JONES.  T MCDONALD.  MELKSHAM.  

    FF: FRITSCH.   WEIDEMAN.   PICKETT.  

    Fol: GAWN.         VINEY.        PETRACCA. 

    Bench: NEAL-BULLEN, BRAYSHAW, VANDENBERG, HIBBERD

    ?

    10 minutes ago, MattyVee said:

    FB: JETTA.             MAY.               LEVER.  

    HB: HARMES.   O MCDONALD.    SALEM. 

    ? LANGDON.    OLIVER.   TOMLINSON.  

    HF: JONES.  T MCDONALD.  MELKSHAM.  

    FF: FRITSCH.   WEIDEMAN.   PICKETT.  

    Fol: GAWN.         VINEY.        PETRACCA. 

    Bench: NEAL-BULLEN, BRAYSHAW, VANDENBERG, HIBBERD

    ?

    That's the likely team but it's very conservative. Five odd players who on recent form don't deserve a game but reputation gets them selected. O what we would give for a pre season resumption hit out.

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    FB:  *****  May   ******
    HB: Salem  Lever  Harmes
    C; Langdon  Oliver Tomlinson
    HF: Jones   McDonald Melksham
    FF: Pickett  Fritsch   ******
    Foll: Gawn  Petracca  Viney

    Int (from):
    - Jetta v Hibberd v Lockhart
    - J. Smith v Oscar
    - Brayshaw
    - Jackson v Weid v Brown
    -  Chandler/ANB/Spargo/Bedford
    ?? Hunt ??? Vanders

    Assuming they stick with Harmes at half back then I'd go with Joel Smith over Oscar, Hibberd keeps his spot as he's the logical match up on Jack Martin, Jetta gets another run.

    Brayshaw keeps his spot because he has to be given first go on Cripps, but Gus needs to deliver.

    The forward line is tricky but I lean towards going with Weid as the second tall and then throwing Jackson in as a wildcard, especially if they think his tackling and ground ball work is as good as most smalls. I maintain the belief in Chandler as the best small to pair with Kossie, particularly if we want to use Fritsch and Melksham up the ground more in a taller set up than round 1.
     

     

    B: Jetta - May - Lever
    HB: Salem - O Mac - Hibberd
    ? Langdon - Petracca - Tomlinson
    HF: Jones - T Mac - Melksham
    F: Weideman - Fritsch - Pickett
    Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
    I/c: Harmes - Jackson - Brayshaw - Bennell
    Emerg: vandenBerg - Neal-Bullen - Brown - Lockhart

    biggest queries for me were hibberd or lockhart, tomlinson or anb, jackson or brown

    i full expect harmes to play back, which i'm not personally a fan of

    1 hour ago, Grimes Times said:

    Harmes back is an attacking move.

    Can play defensive (as per his tagging  during 18 finals)

    Can play attacking

    Good skills

    Good pace

    Good run

    Can play taller with his leap

    Good on the ground.

    hard/tuff/ disciplined /

    tick,tick, tick, tick.

    Not everyone can play mid.

     

     

     

    He is probably our best tagger, especially midfield and is qiute a decent forward. Play him as a midfield tagger unless your not going to use one and then rotating with Petracca in the forward line.

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    2 hours ago, loges said:

    I think this is a pivotal game for Goodwin especially if we lose playing the same way as last year and in round 1 this year. If we've fixed the problem then we win comfortably, lose and the knives will be out.

    We had all off season to fix it and we didn't. I just don't have faith in the game plan and the constant bombing in. I doubt they've revised it. 

    We have the cattle, not the execution.

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    Tomlnison interviewed at training today seems to be pushing for Harley.

    32 minutes ago, Brownie said:

    We had all off season to fix it and we didn't. I just don't have faith in the game plan and the constant bombing in. I doubt they've revised it. 

    We have the cattle, not the execution.

    You would think that Hogan was still down there. Since his loss we have no play who can take a contested mark. We are very one dimensional, every side knows we will just bomb it in and set up for it. 

    3 hours ago, loges said:

    I think this is a pivotal game for Goodwin especially if we lose playing the same way as last year and in round 1 this year. If we've fixed the problem then we win comfortably, lose and the knives will be out.

    It’s one thing to bring the knives out, it’s another thing altogether to pay out 2.5 years of his contract in this current financial climate.

    Id say anyone with a contract is very, very safe to the foreseeable time-being.

     

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    8 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

    It’s one thing to bring the knives out, it’s another thing altogether to pay out 2.5 years of his contract in this current financial climate.

    Id say anyone with a contract is very, very safe to the foreseeable time-being.

     

    Will that still be your opinion if we don’t play finals this year we are already 0 and 1

    Just now, old dee said:

    Will that still be your opinion if we don’t play finals this year we are already 0 and 1

    I’m not sure it really matters... where does the money come from?

    I don’t know what sort of money he’s on, but where does the $1 million + come from to pay him out?

    How do we then pay a new coach?

    Would the AFL give us further assistance if we’re throwing that sort of money away?

    As is said, I see contracts being honoured as very few clubs will be able to pay anyone out.

     

     

    FWIW I still believe Goody will be a very good AFL coach and we’ll perform well this year, so for me, it’s a moot point.

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    1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

    I’m not sure it really matters... where does the money come from?

    I don’t know what sort of money he’s on, but where does the $1 million + come from to pay him out?

    The money comes from the absence of the drop in membership if we keep him.

    Pass mark is 8 wins. That's being kind.

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    2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

    I’m not sure it really matters... where does the money come from?

    I don’t know what sort of money he’s on, but where does the $1 million + come from to pay him out?

    How do we then pay a new coach?

    Would the AFL give us further assistance if we’re throwing that sort of money away?

    As is said, I see contracts being honoured as very few clubs will be able to pay anyone out.

     

     

    FWIW I still believe Goody will be a very good AFL coach and we’ll perform well this year, so for me, it’s a moot point.

    Hope you are right if not the wonders who signed him to. 3 year extension before one game was played in 2019 will be looking very stupid.

    3 hours ago, dl4e said:

    I am at loss with Harmes in the backline.

    Petracca getting more midfield time,  instead of mostly on the flank.  + Viney, + Oli, + Brayshaw...  + occasional game time when he's ready, for Jackson.

    We don't have spaces for all of them,  so some have to grow new skills.  Harmes's proficiency inside,  means he can go out,  to develop further in the defence,  for when we'll need him to do that, in our future.

     

    9 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

    FWIW I still believe Goody will be a very good AFL coach and we’ll perform well this year, so for me, it’s a moot point.

    Totally agree,  'TPF39'.

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    AFL has given the go ahead for possible curtain raiser scratch matches involving the players not engaged in the first team. 

    A good move in my opinion as it will give all the players a hit out and give them a chance to impress for selection

    This team looks to be close to the one that could be selected.

    B: JETTA.             MAY.               LEVER.  

    HB: HARMES.   O MCDONALD.    SALEM. 

    ? LANGDON.    OLIVER.   TOMLINSON.  

    HF: JONES.  T MCDONALD.  MELKSHAM.  

    FF: FRITSCH.   WEIDEMAN.   PICKETT.  

    Fol: GAWN.         VINEY.        PETRACCA. 

    Bench: NEAL-BULLEN, BRAYSHAW, VANDENBERG, HIBBERD

    RESERVES?

    B: Lockhart             Petty            Smith  

    HB: J. Wagner.   Hore    Rivers

    ? Hunt    Sparrow   Baker.  

    HF: Bennell  Brown  Spargo

    FF: Bedford   Jackson   Hannan  

    Fol: Preuss        Jordan        C. Wagner 

    Bench: Chandler, Dunkley, Bradtke, ********

    I think that covers all the fit players we have at the moment.

    If it happens I would like to think it would be televised on some platform.

    7 minutes ago, CHF said:

    AFL has given the go ahead for possible curtain raiser scratch matches involving the players not engaged in the first team. 

    A good move in my opinion as it will give all the players a hit out and give them a chance to impress for selection

    This team looks to be close to the one that could be selected.

    B: JETTA.             MAY.               LEVER.  

    HB: HARMES.   O MCDONALD.    SALEM. 

    ? LANGDON.    OLIVER.   TOMLINSON.  

    HF: JONES.  T MCDONALD.  MELKSHAM.  

    FF: FRITSCH.   WEIDEMAN.   PICKETT.  

    Fol: GAWN.         VINEY.        PETRACCA. 

    Bench: NEAL-BULLEN, BRAYSHAW, VANDENBERG, HIBBERD

    RESERVES?

    B: Lockhart             Petty            Smith  

    HB: J. Wagner.   Hore    Rivers

    ? Hunt    Sparrow   Baker.  

    HF: Bennell  Brown  Spargo

    FF: Bedford   Jackson   Hannan  

    Fol: Preuss        Jordan        C. Wagner 

    Bench: Chandler, Dunkley, Bradtke, ********

    I think that covers all the fit players we have at the moment.

    If it happens I would like to think it would be televised on some platform.

    Serious question. Are you that desperate for a game to watch?

    9 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Serious question. Are you that desperate for a game to watch?

    Serious Answer: Yes. I will be watching when we play Saturday week. Really looking forward to the game.

    I would also be interested in watching the curtain raiser if it was on in the same way I would watch the Casey games. Like to see how they are developing.

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    24 minutes ago, CHF said:

    AFL has given the go ahead for possible curtain raiser scratch matches involving the players not engaged in the first team

    This was raised but just in the context of scratch matches.

    Do you have a recent source.

    Cannot see how they would allow them to be played as curtain raisers given ground conditions. Also hard to see how full teams could be fielded given the usual run of injuries.

    Rivers is really pushing his name up for selection with his training form.

    Hibberd and a few others will be on notice.

    Personally on form and potential I would make the change now but I don't think Goody will do it.

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