Coronavirus: AFL & MFC

[rjay 24,205]

58 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Think cruise ships and I reckon you might get an idea of the medical advice...

[loges 6,421]

31 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Exactly, it's extraordinary times, requires extraordinary compromises, a lot of people are out of work relying on government payments. Make it work or forgo your years contract.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,866]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Players want their cake and eat it too. AFL should just call the season off and players forfeit their salaries.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,866]

1 hour ago, loges said:

Exactly, it's extraordinary times, requires extraordinary compromises, a lot of people are out of work relying on government payments. Make it work or forgo your years contract.

Or fork out yourself to put your wife and kids up with you in the hotel. Why should that be on the AFLs dollar? I'm sure Tim Kelly can afford it

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,466]

Had a look at the latest episode of Footy Classified this morning and I'm pretty sure that Eddie McGuire suggested that we should use this years fixture for the 2021 season and that sides still get the opportunity to host their blockbuster games, hopefully with the idea that fans would be able to attend. 

It's an interesting idea as it would nullify ladder positions in whatever ends up being a 2020 season and yes, it would probably then mean a return to Perth for round 1. I don't know who hosted the Richmond v Carlton season opener but as no fans were present you'd think the same side would be given the opportunity to host the game again if that were the case. 

On the face of it it sounds like a good idea but there might be other issues that could stymie it I guess. 

[Demonland 67,020]

 

[Moonshadow 16,670]

1 hour ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Had a look at the latest episode of Footy Classified this morning and I'm pretty sure that Eddie McGuire suggested that we should use this years fixture for the 2021 season and that sides still get the opportunity to host their blockbuster games, hopefully with the idea that fans would be able to attend. 

It's an interesting idea as it would nullify ladder positions in whatever ends up being a 2020 season and yes, it would probably then mean a return to Perth for round 1. I don't know who hosted the Richmond v Carlton season opener but as no fans were present you'd think the same side would be given the opportunity to host the game again if that were the case. 

On the face of it it sounds like a good idea but there might be other issues that could stymie it I guess. 

And probably North would get pick 2 in the 2020 draft, based upon 2019 ladder

[loges 6,421]

One just wonders how we managed to do Ashes tours, particularly in past years.

Edited April 30, 2020 by loges

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,466]

38 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

And probably North would get pick 2 in the 2020 draft, based upon 2019 ladder

Yup, fair point. I guess it depends on how much of a mickey mouse season 2020 ends up being in regards to draft picks. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,696]

1 hour ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Had a look at the latest episode of Footy Classified this morning and I'm pretty sure that Eddie McGuire suggested that we should use this years fixture for the 2021 season and that sides still get the opportunity to host their blockbuster games, hopefully with the idea that fans would be able to attend. 

It's an interesting idea as it would nullify ladder positions in whatever ends up being a 2020 season and yes, it would probably then mean a return to Perth for round 1. I don't know who hosted the Richmond v Carlton season opener but as no fans were present you'd think the same side would be given the opportunity to host the game again if that were the case. 

On the face of it it sounds like a good idea but there might be other issues that could stymie it I guess. 

I actually really like that idea as we'd still host Collingwood and Richmond next year.

However I hate the idea of copping WC again next year in round 1. Hopefully the AFL would have enough sense to schedule that game at night, as it was 32 degrees in round 1 this year - too hot.

Richmond were the home team against Carlton in rd 1 this year.

[Diamond_Jim 12,140]

Interesting to see that the NRL hub concept provides for the Sydney teams at least to continue to live at home.

The virus numbers are such in Australia that the complete quarantine hub is arguably not necessary particularly so if figures remain as is through May and June.

Switzerland are opening restaurants soon because they are so happy that daily cases are down to 250 a day. Europe is discussing re-opening tourism in mid July. Balance is the key.

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,466]

3 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I actually really like that idea as we'd still host Collingwood and Richmond next year.

However I hate the idea of copping WC again next year in round 1. Hopefully the AFL would have enough sense to schedule that game at night, as it was 32 degrees in round 1 this year - too hot.

Richmond were the home team against Carlton in rd 1 this year.

Yup, and the fact it was Eddie that mentioned it is a plus as it would be his team that stands to gain if they get to host back to back QBs. On balance I'd take the early trip across the Nullarbor if it means we get our two home blockbusters back. If the Tigers get the chance to host Carlton again in front of a home crowd they should also be amenable to us hosting Anzac Eve. I'd just have to change the dates on my flights to Hobart for round 23. 

[Deemania since 56 6,385]

On 3/13/2020 at 10:26 PM, bandicoot said:

I think the whole season will be cancelled. The afl will take the lead of nba 

It should be cancelled, too. There are still no guarantees of overcoming this virus in an absolute sense - and I do not wish to see any MFC supporters, players or Club staff suffer due to an untimely decision to re-start the competition. There is, perhaps, one exception: I could understand Eddy's frustration at not being in the limelight for so long with his incestuous Filth team and  for the betterment of mankind, The Filth could be permitted to play practice matches with the (probably immune, vaccinated) Essendrug. 

The extended season cancellation may well give Goodwin time and space to come up with a viable, hopefully effective and certainly improved Dees' forward line solution; he has the players to make a difference with lots of talented youngsters to contribute in this regard. 

[Kent 2,690]

29 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting to see that the NRL hub concept provides for the Sydney teams at least to continue to live at home.

The virus numbers are such in Australia that the complete quarantine hub is arguably not necessary particularly so if figures remain as is through May and June.

Switzerland are opening restaurants soon because they are so happy that daily cases are down to 250 a day. Europe is discussing re-opening tourism in mid July. Balance is the key.

Mate your talking Oz here

Politicions will keep us under the knuckle for as long as they can.

We are very few problems compared to most other countries

[dpositive 1,611]

56 minutes ago, Kent said:

Mate your talking Oz here

Politicions will keep us under the knuckle for as long as they can.

We are very few problems compared to most other countries

We are not immune. We are part of the world. However we are unique in that we have a border that we can control. We also have witnessed a very compliant community. We also have more dispersed population with discrete centres of density. With our cultural and social habits of close community relationships we also had internal tracking. But  most importantly we had a health system which was also dispersed and with a culture of collegiate and community commmunication. We also had a more egalitarian population with less vulnerable and unsupported sectors.

While our health system had been allowed to be degraded and was considered under resourced it was still way ahead of every other country. The virus was/is a health issue and that is where we should have concentrated responses. That lockdowns and distancing were adopted from that expert advice was another factor in our success.

But the economic impacts are not all caused by the virus. These impacts are the consequence of government action. The politicians have chosen to close down economic activity and have caused confusion through contradictory action. Why a hairdresser and even supermarkets are exempt is unfathomable. How many transmissions have come from these sources. The social changes being undertaken by the government are economic decisions they are not caused by the virus. We could have invested more heavily in testing, tracking isolating and treating without closing down every community and every ectivity.

The government is using his crisis as a huge data collection exercise. With an approval for a huge budget allocation which it will be able to allocate as easily as sports grants this is an opportunity for this government to undertake and entrench ideological action.It is not the virus causing this it is the deliberate political practice.

We definitely need to improve our health system. We need to increase our testing and tracking procedures. Education needs greater coordination and consistent practice. Perhaps a health nurse in schools might be a better investment than a chaplain. Our Child care and aged care systems need more resources.

As the drought, bushfires and now this pandemic have shown we need a strong central government. This does not mean we need dictatorial and undisputed power application. We do not need more division and less government we need a more representative structure.

Border closures and the current divisions of state populations is not required. We are all in this together and yet we are creating and celebrating in many cases the differences. 

While we have time to reflect deeply on these matters we can also appreciate the role that sports has played in our society.

Perhaps as a demons supporter I have become too inured to defeat to lead an uprising.

 

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,140]

Don't agree with everything dpositive but well argued and a balanced response.?

The closing of the Queensland border in a way that excluded Coolangatta marks a nadir in federalism.

[dpositive 1,611]

44 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Don't agree with everything dpositive but well argued and a balanced response.?

The closing of the Queensland border in a way that excluded Coolangatta marks a nadir in federalism.

Thanks for comment DJ.

Not sure that I agree with myself at the moment. Find myself yelling at the TV and some of the comments.

It's good to be able to find refuge in the occasional replays that are highlighted by a knowledgable demonland population.

We have some way to go apparently. But as I look at the empty streets in Beechworth and see the Beechworth Bushrangers being unable to train when there is absolutely no indication of the virus having been evidenced within our NE area is frustrating.

If we increased our testing we might find that we are able to return to some normal activities.

[Skuit 9,382]

Half the world is begging for a couple months away from their partners at present. Sooky love-sick kids. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,227]

10 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Half the world is begging for a couple months away from their partners at present. Sooky love-sick kids. 

You'd be hard pressed to find any children begging for less time with their fathers.

AFL is so far from an essential activity; it is a luxury for society.  If it is safe to play, then that's fantastic.  Playing is isolation hubs where players are essentially under draconian lockdown however is absurd.  This is a global pandemic the likes of which hasn't been seen in 100 years.  Literally pulling families apart for a luxury spectator event is absurd.

Australia is not Covid-19 free and most likely, won't be for another 14-18 months.  It will spring back up as soon as restrictions are eased - that is a certainly.  The government can test, and track and attempt to contain it, and that will probably prevent it running wild and overloading the system.  But it won't be gone.  The only reason we don't have mass graves and AFL stadiums as field hospitals is because of social and economic lock-down.

IMHO, we may be able to get to a stage where  we can play to empty stadiums like round one, but if the situation is such that we need 'hubs' then it is not worth it.  It may be nothing for 2020, empty stadiums 2021, then normality 2022.  Western countries have already lost patience with the pandemic, they want it to be over and believe that sheer strength of will and positive thinking is enough to get it done.

[Skuit 9,382]

9 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

You'd be hard pressed to find any children begging for less time with their fathers.

AFL is so far from an essential activity; it is a luxury for society.  If it is safe to play, then that's fantastic.  Playing is isolation hubs where players are essentially under draconian lockdown however is absurd.  This is a global pandemic the likes of which hasn't been seen in 100 years.  Literally pulling families apart for a luxury spectator event is absurd.

Australia is not Covid-19 free and most likely, won't be for another 14-18 months.  It will spring back up as soon as restrictions are eased - that is a certainly.  The government can test, and track and attempt to contain it, and that will probably prevent it running wild and overloading the system.  But it won't be gone.  The only reason we don't have mass graves and AFL stadiums as field hospitals is because of social and economic lock-down.

IMHO, we may be able to get to a stage where  we can play to empty stadiums like round one, but if the situation is such that we need 'hubs' then it is not worth it.  It may be nothing for 2020, empty stadiums 2021, then normality 2022.  Western countries have already lost patience with the pandemic, they want it to be over and believe that sheer strength of will and positive thinking is enough to get it done.

Thanks for relieving me of my ignorance. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,227]

25 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Thanks for relieving me of my ignorance. 

No worries.

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by TeamPlayedFine39

[loges 6,421]

46 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

You'd be hard pressed to find any children begging for less time with their fathers.

AFL is so far from an essential activity; it is a luxury for society.  If it is safe to play, then that's fantastic.  Playing is isolation hubs where players are essentially under draconian lockdown however is absurd.  This is a global pandemic the likes of which hasn't been seen in 100 years.  Literally pulling families apart for a luxury spectator event is absurd.

Australia is not Coviddone.

"draconian" : Really?

No mass graves as much to do with our much lower population density as lock downs and social distancing.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,227]

14 minutes ago, loges said:

"draconian" : Really?

No mass graves as much to do with our much lower population density as lock downs and social distancing.

Population density helps locking down, but counts for little without isolation.  Put 60,000 people in the MCG on 3 times over a weekend and you'll have 'mass graves' no matter how sparse your population.

Yes, a hubs proposal essentially keeps players in detention - an isolation much more extreme than any measures in Australia and on par with Wuhan, Ital and Spain.  Like a racehorse, they let out of their stable to train and play.  It's absurd and such a low priority.

[Moonshadow 16,670]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Half the world is begging for a couple months away from their partners at present. Sooky love-sick kids. 

Yes, the grass is often greener on the other side, but it's equally hard to mow!

Edited April 30, 2020 by Moonshadow

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8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Europe is discussing re-opening tourism in mid July.

Discussing. And what's being discussed is nothing like a return to normal, far from it. At the very least, international tourism, both inbound and outbound, will be curtailed if not closed. As for domestic, I'm in France, and the message here is don't even think about summer holidays for the moment, and even then, probably only locally (within 100 km). And that's just the summer - there's increasing awareness that even the 20-21 ski season which starts in December is looking dicey.