15 minutes ago, Jaded said:

It's very easy for people to say 'lets close schools', but the reality is our healthcare system and our economy are both under great duress.

Some of us don't have the luxury of working from home, and we have small businesses which employ people. If the kids don't go to school, we have two options, close our business (so 6 people lose their livelihood, including ourselves), or have their 70 year old grandparents look after them.

This is just us, but what about nurses? doctors? people working in food production? pharmaceuticals? 

If you close schools now, you are looking at prolonged closures, job losses, a greater hit to our economy and increased pressure on our already struggling health care system.

Kids are the least vulnerable to this disease, and while there is a  risk of infection within families, and while I applaud teachers for risking their own health, right now, this is the best option for the greater good.

Schools are being extra cautious and have cancelled all incursions, excursions, assemblies etc. 

Everyone is doing their best in what is a very difficult time. The less armchair experts get involved, and sprout unnecessary fear and panic, the better. 

 

P.S.- if you can, please support small businesses during this time. A lot won't survive this otherwise. 

It sucks and it is going to have a massive impact on the entire economy. I would not want to be a business owner right now.

But I don't think you can escape the impact. Whether we close things (like schools) down now or in 3 weeks, you're just delaying the inevitable and allowing things to get worse in the meantime.

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It sucks and it is going to have a massive impact on the entire economy. I would not want to be a business owner right now.

But I don't think you can escape the impact. Whether we close things (like schools) down now or in 3 weeks, you're just delaying the inevitable and allowing things to get worse in the meantime.

STATEMENT ON SCHOOL CLOSURES IN VICTORIA

Dr Brett Sutton MBBS MPHTM FAFPHM FRSPH FACTM MFTM Victorian Chief Health Officer
Victorian Chief Human Biosecurity Officer

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) met recently to consider the issue of school closures in relation to the community transmission of COVID-19.

The Committee’s advice is that pre-emptive school closures are not likely to be proportionate or effective as a public health intervention to prevent community transmission of COVID-19 at this time.

As Victoria’s Chief Health Officer and as a member of the AHPPC, I fully endorse this advice in relation to schools in Victoria.

There is currently limited information on the contribution of children to transmission of COVID-19. The WHO-China Joint Mission noted the primary role of household transmission and observed that children tended to be infected from adults.

Previous work suggests that the potential reduction in community transmission from pre-emptive school closures may be offset by the care arrangements that are in place for children who are not at school.

There is a particular risk associated with the fact that children may require care from vulnerable grandparents or may continue to associate (and transmit infection) outside of school settings.

Broadly, the health advice on school closures from previous respiratory epidemics shows the health costs are often underestimated and the benefits are overestimated.

This may be even more so in relation to COVID-19 as unlike influenza, the impact on otherwise healthy children has been minimal to date.

For pre-emptive school closures to be effective, prolonged closure is required and it would be unclear when they could be re-opened. If there were still a large pool of susceptible students when schools are re-opened, there would be likely to be re-emergence of transmission in the community.

School closures may still be considered late in the outbreak in anticipation of a peak in infection rates, for a shorter period of time. Short term reactive school closures may also be warranted to allow cleaning and contact tracing to occur.

Should evidence change in relation to school closures then my advice to the sector, in collaboration with AHPPC, would of course change also.

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Not sure why you're bringing up Hillsong etc. other than to try and move the goal posts. Unless you're implying all the doctors and professors providing advice are also Pentecostals and have decided to put religion above science in their jobs?

I said: Medical professionals, the best ones in Australia, have recommended it's best for schools to stay open for now.

You said: But I've watched BBC World for a few weeks so I know better than them.

But somehow you don't see how absurd that is.

No. You miss the point Completely

Last Friday the Prime Minister was at a mass gathering of his Pentacostal Religion, i find that incredibly irresponsible 

Regardless of what advice he is given

Schools will be closed down soon, as cases in the UK are now being found in schools. 
Yes it will add to the overall strain

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No. You miss the point Completely

Last Friday the Prime Minister was at a mass gathering of his Pentacostal Religion, i find that incredibly irresponsible 

Regardless of what advice he is given

You're literally commenting on a completely different point to what we were discussing.

Staggering for someone with such an impressive degree as a Masters In BBC World...

4 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

So it's not a scam anymore?

Coronavirus was never a scam. People wearing old dirty masks to breathe through on the street was the scam I referred 

as is the panic buying tactics of the media

Just now, Lord Nev said:

You're literally commenting on a completely different point to what we were discussing.

Staggering for someone with such an impressive degree as a Masters In BBC World...

Of course if you cut my comment in half it can look that way

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Of course if you cut my comment in half it can look that way

I "cut it in half" because it was about two completely different topics.

PS - I don't think Scott Morrison was at the Hillsong Women's Conference mate.

 

Premier League suspended until 30 April and we're carrying on here like it's business as usual (just sans fans), i really don't get it lol

37 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I "cut it in half" because it was about two completely different topics.

PS - I don't think Scott Morrison was at the Hillsong Women's Conference mate.

 

PS- Morrison was there last weekend

it was their yearly convention. People came from all points of the globe

Tis why the isolation bans started on Monday

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

PS- Morrison was there last weekend

it was their yearly convention. People came from all points of the globe

Tis why the isolation bans started on Monday

No, it wasn't.

Their yearly conference is scheduled for July, the one last week was a women's conference.

Maybe they didn't cover it on BBC World though and you missed it.

This should help calm anyones fears about the virus

 

 

On 3/15/2020 at 5:25 PM, TGR said:

You need a fair dinkum Rudd/Gillard NBN fibre to each premises though.

 

That is where your prediction will fall short.

Nope - 5G will be the 'go-to' technology. 

A bit expensive now but it won't matter if one's employer pays the cost.  Will be much cheaper to the employer than providing full scale office facilities.

Edited March 20, 20205 yr by Lucifer's Hero

4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

No, it wasn't.

Their yearly conference is scheduled for July, the one last week was a women's conference.

Maybe they didn't cover it on BBC World though and you missed it.

You were there no doubt

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You were there no doubt

You certainly cover yourself in glory when you try and insult someone by calling them a woman.

 

On 3/3/2020 at 4:41 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

I am sitting at Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok. The Place is almost deserted 

Fantastic!!

this Coronavirus is a huge scam. It’s a serious Flu, i saw more people die on motorbikes in Thailand

Masks are a complete waste of time  gloves offer far more protection  

hardly noticed anything in BKK unless i turned on the TV ? 

CNN are going beserk!!!

Unless you have written this in Mandarin I am reading it as you saying Caronavirus is a huge scam

5 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Nope - 5G will be the 'go-to' technology. 

A bit expensive now but it won't matter if one's employer pays the cost.  Will be much cheaper to the employer than providing full scale office facilities.

Isnt 5g constrained by full network load, whereas fibre has an almost infinite speed potential with hardware scaling up? Im no techy, but thats what ive heard when 5g is brought up, often by conservatives to explain away the fibre to copper node mess that the LNP has forced on (most of) the country.

Edited March 20, 20205 yr by John Demonic

It always puts a smile on my face to see SWYL called out and made to look silly.

Like shooting fish in a barrel!

10 hours ago, John Demonic said:

Isnt 5g constrained by full network load, whereas fibre has an almost infinite speed potential with hardware scaling up? Im no techy, but thats what ive heard when 5g is brought up, often by conservatives to explain away the fibre to copper node mess that the LNP has forced on (most of) the country.

My original comment was in the context of how the CV-19 will change employment/work places and it may take a decade for it all to happen.  

I'm not a techie either.  But I can see a situation where 5G (or its future replacements) is offered for 'work-from-home' clients via their employer subscription, not necessarily offering 5G for the whole population who stay on NBN or its future equivalent.  Also, 'work-from-home' folk won't be using the service non-stop all day and very little at night.  A far out idea is maybe for employers to pay for fibre to homes for those who will work from home.

Whatever the technology I feel the workplace for many people won't be the same again.  Not sure if this is good or bad...

Edited March 20, 20205 yr by Lucifer's Hero

19 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Coronavirus was never a scam. People wearing old dirty masks to breathe through on the street was the scam I referred 

as is the panic buying tactics of the media

It not a scam but there is a cure, this virus is not new, it's the 19th strain of corona virus, people like bill gates warned in 2015 that the world would be facing a strain of corona virus that would go out of control, a vaccine could have been developed year ago that could be tweaked when new strains mutated, the world health organisation did very little work on it. The  Anti=vacc have a lot to be ashamed of at the moment. There is a cure, but the normal protocols about testing medicines have to be dropped,  this is an emergency and they need to be  sped up, otherwise there won't be any money in the health care system to pick up the pieces.

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

My original comment was in the context of how the CV-19 will change employment/work places and it may take a decade for it all to happen.  

I'm not a techie either.  But I can see a situation where 5G (or its future replacements) is offered for 'work-from-home' clients via their employer subscription, not necessarily offering 5G for the whole population who stay on NBN or its future equivalent.  Also, 'work-from-home' folk won't be using the service non-stop all day and very little at night.  A far out idea is maybe for employers to pay for fibre to homes for those who will work from home.

Whatever the technology I feel the workplace for many people won't be the same again.  Not sure if this is good or bad...

Fibre is the way for domestic use for the next few years at least. 5G has a role but it will be in the internet of things and is really only for densely populated cities at least in the short term.

The NBN has been a complete stuff up for so many reasons.

European doctor: Fear of being called racist contributing factor to spread of coronavirus in Italy

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/european-doctor-fear-of-being-called-racist-contributing-factor-to-spread-of-coronavirus-in-italy

 

 

Exhibit 1A for 'How political correctness kills.'

Something needs to be done about the insane people who label everything  they don't like 'racist'  It has serious implications.

1 hour ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

European doctor: Fear of being called racist contributing factor to spread of coronavirus in Italy

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/european-doctor-fear-of-being-called-racist-contributing-factor-to-spread-of-coronavirus-in-italy

Exhibit 1A for 'How political correctness kills.'

Something needs to be done about the insane people who label everything  they don't like 'racist'  It has serious implications.

Lol. Washington Examiner.

2 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

European doctor: Fear of being called racist contributing factor to spread of coronavirus in Italy

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/european-doctor-fear-of-being-called-racist-contributing-factor-to-spread-of-coronavirus-in-italy

 

 

Exhibit 1A for 'How political correctness kills.'

Something needs to be done about the insane people who label everything  they don't like 'racist'  It has serious implications.

 

Hmmm. somebody needs to tell this clown that the Melbourne Comedy Festival has been cancelled.