Training Ground?

[old dee 23,782]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Yes, we got $2 million towards Gosch's and $7.5 million towards Casey.

You seemed to be saying we've got nothing from the government and we'd never see announcements from them - you were wrong.

By AFL standards that is a pittance.  The 7.5 was to Casey not the MFC. The state just gave $15 million to netball. We are getting scraps from the table. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by old dee

[Lord Nev 13,512]

19 minutes ago, old dee said:

By AFL standards that is a pittance.  The 7.5 was to Casey not the MFC. The state just gave $15 million to netball. We are getting scraps from the table. 

The same Casey where we trained to win a flag and still train and play?

The reason we haven't received more is we don't have a location/land. Receiving nearly $10 million in government/council funds for our existing facilities when by our own admission they're probably temporary is pretty decent from that side of things IMO.

Just off the mark how people keep complaining about this apparent luck of funds and conspiracy theories about not enough votes etc.

Also - 'The State' didn't 'give' netball that, it was a business-efficient sponsorship from Visit Victoria's marketing budget. Not going further into that can of worms/cooker rant territory though.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Lord Nev

[daisycutter 29,604]

24 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Also - 'The State' didn't 'give' netball that, it was a political business-efficient sponsorship from Visit Victoria's marketing the lets get re-elected budget. Not going further into that can of worms/cooker rant territory though.

fixed it for ya, nev

Edited November 10, 2022 by daisycutter

[Gouga 566]

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/1248194/hawks-sign-historic-construction-contract

[old dee 23,782]

54 minutes ago, Gouga said:

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/1248194/hawks-sign-historic-construction-contract

Beat me by an hour Gouga! It once again rubs salt into the MFC members wounds. In this area we are still a club that does not have a home. One of the two original teams and we are again failing. Tell us what is happening.Please! 

[dazzledavey36 54,285]

52 minutes ago, old dee said:

Beat me by an hour Gouga! It once again rubs salt into the MFC members wounds. In this area we are still a club that does not have a home. One of the two original teams and we are again failing. Tell us what is happening.Please! 

This is just beyond funny now..

[old dee 23,782]

41 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is just beyond funny now..

It is the secrecy that annoys me the most. If it has ground to a halt tell us. Tell us if it is 10 years away. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by old dee

[Demon Disciple 12,068]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

It is the secrecy that annoys me the most. If it has ground to a halt tell us. Tell us if it is 10 years away. 

Agree @old dee. I’d have more respect for them if they came out and said that, rather than keeping us in the dark

[chookrat 4,247]

On 11/10/2022 at 4:54 PM, old dee said:

By AFL standards that is a pittance.  The 7.5 was to Casey not the MFC. The state just gave $15 million to netball. We are getting scraps from the table. 

Exactly OD and with inflation you are lucky to get any change of $25m to put a flag on a bridge these days.

[chookrat 4,247]

On 11/10/2022 at 5:12 PM, Lord Nev said:

The same Casey where we trained to win a flag and still train and play?

The reason we haven't received more is we don't have a location/land. Receiving nearly $10 million in government/council funds for our existing facilities when by our own admission they're probably temporary is pretty decent from that side of things IMO.

Just off the mark how people keep complaining about this apparent luck of funds and conspiracy theories about not enough votes etc.

Also - 'The State' didn't 'give' netball that, it was a business-efficient sponsorship from Visit Victoria's marketing budget. Not going further into that can of worms/cooker rant territory though.

Lord Nev, while the money is not the issue a lack of commitment at AFL and State Government level to approve an option where we can build is.  Our club has been working on options for more than 5 years now and to not have an announcement shows a lack of conviction to get this done. The land is there, the options are feasible, it should be a matter of choosing the best one and getting started.

[Demonsone 2,036]

Port Melb FC ground is ripe for development  along with all the current redevelopment of Fisherman’s bend, an expected extra 20k in population growth, not to mention Port Vfl team has the same  theme song and colours & long successful history founded in 1874 & 17 flags 

[Demonsone 2,036]

On 11/3/2022 at 3:57 PM, DeeZone said:

To me Hawthorn is the strangest story they gave up Glenferie Oval as home base to move to Waverley which they touted as being the best of all worlds and yet they are now moving to Dingley the new Mecca. I wonder what the Hawks fans think??

I am glad that we are holding out for our home base to be close to our place of origin, we are Melbourne so need to stay close to our roots and CBD. If it takes longer to achieve it so be it,  it will be well worth lll

[Demonsone 2,036]

Definitely way overdue and can’t fathom why we haven’t locked in a training facility?? The reality is best training facilities don’t guarantee success… Pies have had the best in the last 20yrs & yet produced 1 flag.We won a flag training in a paddock which was 20% smaller than the G and Casey which is over an hour away. 

[58er 6,397]

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Definitely way overdue and can’t fathom why we haven’t locked in a training facility?? The reality is best training facilities don’t guarantee success… Pies have had the best in the last 20yrs & yet produced 1 flag.We won a flag training in a paddock which was 20% smaller than the G and Casey which is over an hour away. 

But Casey is elite in standard on field and inside facilities and raised our level along with the Coaches to best ever training standards in 2021. Don't underestimate Casey's role as it is MCG in size as well in our Flag. 

[58er 6,397]

3 hours ago, Demonsone said:

On 11/3/2022 at 2:57 PM, DeeZone said:

To me Hawthorn is the strangest story they gave up Glenferie Oval as home base to move to Waverley which they touted as being the best of all worlds and yet they are now moving to Dingley the new Mecca. I wonder what the Hawks fans think??

I am glad that we are holding out for our home base to be close to our place of origin, we are Melbourne so need to stay close to our roots and CBD. If it takes longer to achieve it so be it,  it will be well worth lll

Agree Deestone

[58er 6,397]

Just now, 58er said:

Agree Deestone

Sorry Dees Zone Apology.

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

15 hours ago, chookrat said:

Lord Nev, while the money is not the issue a lack of commitment at AFL and State Government level to approve an option where we can build is.  Our club has been working on options for more than 5 years now and to not have an announcement shows a lack of conviction to get this done. The land is there, the options are feasible, it should be a matter of choosing the best one and getting started.

There is obviously no deal signed off though. 
Why?

[old dee 23,782]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

There is obviously no deal signed off though. 
Why?

The silence tells us a lot SWYL.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

19 hours ago, chookrat said:

Lord Nev, while the money is not the issue a lack of commitment at AFL and State Government level to approve an option where we can build is.  Our club has been working on options for more than 5 years now and to not have an announcement shows a lack of conviction to get this done. The land is there, the options are feasible, it should be a matter of choosing the best one and getting started.

How do you know this? Aside from Yarra Park, which was handled poorly, what other options have we gone to the state government with and been turned down for? What 'land is there' exactly? Which options are you speaking of? My guess, and it's a total guess, is that IF we've been turned down for other options (haven't heard of any though) it would likely be because they were similar to Yarra Park where it was a minimal at best chance of ever being approved.

We need to look outisde of the MCG precinct. We just won't get the facilities we should have anywhere in that area, and ideas about slipping a building into a corner or car park, moving things under ground, are all just half measures like we currently have. Don't see the point in doing anything then like that when we could build something actually fantastic and fit for purpose somewhere else.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Lord Nev

[chookrat 4,247]

4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

How do you know this? Aside from Yarra Park, which was handled poorly, what other options have we gone to the state government with and been turned down for? What 'land is there' exactly? Which options are you speaking of? My guess, and it's a total guess, is that IF we've been turned down for other options (haven't heard of any though) it would likely be because they were similar to Yarra Park where it was a minimal at best chance of ever being approved.

We need to look outisde of the MCG precinct. We just won't get the facilities we should have anywhere in that area, and ideas about slipping a building into a corner or car park, moving things under ground, are all just half measures like we currently have. Don't see the point in doing anything then like that when we could build something actually fantastic and fit for purpose somewhere else.

Lord Nev, there is open grass everywhere and if we cut a few trees down there is even more room. From memory the Jolimont proposal wouldn't have even required any trees to be cut down and admin would have been over the railway.  From what I understand the main objection has been from a few hundred East Melbourne locals concerned that they will lose space to walk their dogs and if the state government are onboard it wouldn't take much to cut through their nonsense.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, chookrat said:

Lord Nev, there is open grass everywhere and if we cut a few trees down there is even more room. From memory the Jolimont proposal wouldn't have even required any trees to be cut down and admin would have been over the railway.  From what I understand the main objection has been from a few hundred East Melbourne locals concerned that they will lose space to walk their dogs and if the state government are onboard it wouldn't take much to cut through their nonsense.

Lol. Come off it mate.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,291]

On 11/10/2022 at 1:29 PM, Lord Nev said:

 

Listening to the bloke from the government in this video, the first one, there was a big emphasis on the natural environment and the keeping of trees. I’ll throw a really obscure idea out. Make a sustainable wood stand, let the trees come up out of seating. Get a small facility in there, that looks like it’s part of the natural landscape. Make it a landmark eco friendly, energy generating, solar powered boutique standout that can host AFLW and we might get some funding.  

 

just trying to think outside the box

[Demonsone 2,036]

We are so far behind the competition & the Afl needs to address this gap with crappy stadium deals, not sure how state gvt can support 1 team with 142m and the MFC can’t even get a training facility commitment 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-fixture-details-2023-games-biggest-matches-key-dates-geelong-home-games-first-game-of-the-season/news-story/7814a69e4c54b1cd281813157f693192?fbclid=IwAR0wL4kn0vOVDM47humLu8MW8vA__O4i0x6PpsK8n_X7EEBeqFc6a7i3pgQ&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

[Demonstone 22,317]

8 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

just trying to think outside the box

Is the box made from sustainable wood?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,193]

7 hours ago, Demonsone said:

We are so far behind the competition & the Afl needs to address this gap with crappy stadium deals, not sure how state gvt can support 1 team with 142m and the MFC can’t even get a training facility commitment 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-fixture-details-2023-games-biggest-matches-key-dates-geelong-home-games-first-game-of-the-season/news-story/7814a69e4c54b1cd281813157f693192?fbclid=IwAR0wL4kn0vOVDM47humLu8MW8vA__O4i0x6PpsK8n_X7EEBeqFc6a7i3pgQ&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Why should the fixture be compromised because Geelong can't use their ground in the 1st half of the year? When the Suns couldn't play home games due to the Commonwealth Games a couple of years back they had to play a home game in Fremantle yet Geelong wants 9 games at KP on the 2nd half of the season? Get stuffed.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Dr. Gonzo