Training Ground?

[Katrina Dee Fan 2,707]

10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We should never have gotten rid of the pokies.

Yes. They should have. 

[Skuit 9,939]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Where is your private Feasibility study? 

I conducted it last time I was in the gardens and concluded the guy walking his pet sheep there could offer free rides to keep the kiddies entertained.  

[58er 5,910]

6 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I conducted it last time I was in the gardens and concluded the guy walking his pet sheep there could offer free rides to keep the kiddies entertained.  

Really !!!  

[KLV 1,758]

10 hours ago, Roost it far said:

It’s little more than ceremonial these days

 True 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,682]

1 hour ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Yes. They should have. 

It was a stupid business decision, cost us millions and pokies are still rampant. The pokies didn't disappear, the dollars just went elsewhere. Meanwhile AFL and clubs happy to cosy up to gambling companies.

I hate the pokies but while they exist I'd rather the money go to the MFC than to Woolworths and Coles.

[beelzebub 23,191]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It was a stupid business decision, cost us millions and pokies are still rampant. The pokies didn't disappear, the dollars just went elsewhere. Meanwhile AFL and clubs happy to cosy up to gambling companies.

I hate the pokies but while they exist I'd rather the money go to the MFC than to Woolworths and Coles.

I have to agree.  We got conned into virtue signalling all the whiles the AFL say one thing and do another.

Anyway...we are where we are and with any luck that will one day be Caulfield. 

A new beginning.  And in many ways I do see it as just that....a wonderful opportunity for a real re-set. 

Hawthorn can have their Tip

[640MD 3,319]

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Why should he after the way he has been treated?

He has put in plenty so far.

Just because he has different opinions and ideas to the current board people, does not mean he is anything other than a committed Demon supporter.

to say otherwise, is like reading Sky news to get a negative view of Donald.
 It’s wrong 

[640MD 3,319]

14 hours ago, Adam The God said:

, I'm sure it can't he helped though and the Caulfield asset gain will outstrip holding the Bentleigh Club. 

It needs to be kept in mind.  That this is Crown Land. It’s leased.  We will not own it, will perhaps own the building.  We can take it with us when we leave.  

Not sure about asset gain.

[Kent 2,857]

28 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I have to agree.  We got conned into virtue signalling all the whiles the AFL say one thing and do another.

Anyway...we are where we are and with any luck that will one day be Caulfield. 

A new beginning.  And in many ways I do see it as just that....a wonderful opportunity for a real re-set. 

Hawthorn can have their Tip

Yes at Caufield races surrounded by problem gamblers who fund the joint

[beelzebub 23,191]

11 hours ago, Pottsydee said:

Generally after the business case is developed the permit process begins. This could slow things down. Theoretically funding could be secured after the business case, just won't be 'shovel ready'.

For one reason or another , as it were, I'll put aside the funding issue...if there is one.

The idea of permits etc can be the quagmire. That said if G.E. is indeed onboard ( at least atm in their current guise ) this may not prove much of an impediment.  If they truly are happy to see this unfold then they'll  just stamp it and stand aside. 

Back to money. I have a suspicion it's been hard  for the club to lock money/grants/commitment in as there's actually been no location to allocate to. Lots of iffy in the clouds stuff in the past. Here we have a location, heads of agreements, concepts and preliminary designs....I.e something specific. 

I don't see $$$ as being any problem. 

From a "build" perspective  much could be done simultaneously as two distinct parts/sites. 1) Admin and Training 2) Ovals/Pav .

Should be able to do 18mnths/2y wo to go once greenlit.

We're  not building docklands  here...  it's not that complicated. 

Go Dees

[Diamond_Jim 12,351]

22 minutes ago, 640MD said:

It needs to be kept in mind.  That this is Crown Land. It’s leased.  We will not own it, will perhaps own the building.  We can take it with us when we leave.  

Not sure about asset gain.

Agree. This is why we should not be using Future fund capital on the build. At least Essendon and Hawthorn own their land.

[Kent 2,857]

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

For one reason or another , as it were, I'll put aside the funding issue...if there is one.

The idea of permits etc can be the quagmire. That said if G.E. is indeed onboard ( at least atm in their current guise ) this may not prove much of an impediment.  If they truly are happy to see this unfold then they'll  just stamp it and stand aside. 

Back to money. I have a suspicion it's been hard  for the club to lock money/grants/commitment in as there's actually been no location to allocate to. Lots of iffy in the clouds stuff in the past. Here we have a location, heads of agreements, concepts and preliminary designs....I.e something specific. 

I don't see $$$ as being any problem. 

From a "build" perspective  much could be done simultaneously as two distinct parts/sites. 1) Admin and Training 2) Ovals/Pav .

Should be able to do 18mnths/2y wo to go once greenlit.

We're  not building docklands  here...  it's not that complicated. 

Go Dees

Talk to the cfmeu before you make any predictions

[beelzebub 23,191]

5 minutes ago, Kent said:

Talk to the cfmeu before you make any predictions

Have you noticed Melbourne's  skyline lately... 

Stuff gets built. It's not all ...bogeyman theatre.

[Redleg 39,998]

38 minutes ago, 640MD said:

It needs to be kept in mind.  That this is Crown Land. It’s leased.  We will not own it, will perhaps own the building.  We can take it with us when we leave.  

Not sure about asset gain.

I am not sure if that is correct.

I thought the stables area, where the building will go, was actually land owned by the MRC.

The ovals of course will be on Crown land, but we would probably get a 100 year lease. 

[beelzebub 23,191]

Just now, Redleg said:

I am not sure if that is correct.

I thought the stables area, where the building will go, was actually land owned by the MRC.

The ovals of course will be on Crown land, but we would probably get a 100 year lease. 

Hasn't worried MRC too much in the past.

100 y lease / owning...    much of a muchness really in great scheme of things.

Ppl wouldn't be living in Canberra if worried  ;) 

[layzie 32,744]

52 minutes ago, 640MD said:

It needs to be kept in mind.  That this is Crown Land. It’s leased.  We will not own it, will perhaps own the building.  We can take it with us when we leave.  

Not sure about asset gain.

That's right, and especially relevant in Victoria so something to think about. 

Edited 17 hours ago by layzie

[No. 31 1,061]

I don't think MFC will be getting a 5 year lease with 1 option to renew.

There will certainly be specific long term leasing arrangements made.

Also, the land where the admin/training building is on may possibly not be Crown Land, some portions of land outside the race tract at Caulfield RC are held by the MRC as freehold. The two training ovals will certainly be on Crown Land though.

Might even be subject to a specific Act of Parliament as Princes Park is.

If you want freehold land then you have to look at urban fringe like Tullamarine or Dingley. If you want an inner urban area a long term lease is far more likely.

As mentioned abive, people in the A.C.T. still purchase real estate on 100 year leases.

[layzie 32,744]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It was a stupid business decision, cost us millions and pokies are still rampant. The pokies didn't disappear, the dollars just went elsewhere. Meanwhile AFL and clubs happy to cosy up to gambling companies.

I hate the pokies but while they exist I'd rather the money go to the MFC than to Woolworths and Coles.

It was a moral decision that I am proud that we made. 

However the elephant in the room was always going to be how we would replace that revenue. 

Just five years earlier we needed serious AFL help and serious involvement from them in getting our club back on track. Without knowing the club's balance sheet that well I do know that as controversial as pokies were, they brought in consistent $$. 

I'm proud to support a club that leads the way in many social initiatives but I'd also like as to have a strong asset base. 

[george_on_the_outer 7,425]

17 minutes ago, layzie said:

 

However the elephant in the room was always going to be how we would replace that revenue. 

Just five years earlier we needed serious AFL help and serious involvement from them in getting our club back on track. Without knowing the club's balance sheet that well I do know that as controversial as pokies were, they brought in consistent $$. 

 

...and unfortunately the members will find out once the financials come out this year without pokies revenue.  Meanwhile other clubs still have theirs or are going to "divest" sometime......

[old dee 23,482]

18 hours ago, waynewussell said:

I think you will find that the playing fields will be ready long before the whole complex is completed.

It's still not even approved and 2025 is only 3 months away I will stay with 2030.

[whatwhat say what 22,070]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

BTW when are you “guessing “ what ladder position the Dees  will finish in 2025 - 2030.

Oh and what will you have for breakfast in 2027. 

I am guessing it’s all too much for you  and you will have brain overload and give up. 

Good luck ! 

2025-30 - we'll finish somewhere between 1 and 19, hopefully closer to 1

coffee

i think you missed my follow-up where i said how excited i am by this announcement, and that to get it fully built by 2030 would be a brilliant result for the club

[old dee 23,482]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

Congrats OD You are the first Demonlander to record your 100th NEGATIVE comment. Record pace and why stop now Your 2030 prediction is so you.

Just remember both you and I might not be here if 2030 is the opening date. 

I am far more positive than you and in time for 2028 or middle/ late 2027 might be a total completion date.

Makes the Bombers  20 year Finals drought look like a Century or at least like our Flag drought of 57 years.  

 

Not sure why when people state the actually state of affairs it is labed negative. Sadly however I do agree with you I doubt I will see it finished which I find sad as I have been following the nomadic mfc for as long as I can remember.

[Sir Windsor 144]

I wonder if Beaumaris Sec college area was ever considered. It already has MCC facilities including two ovals ( not sure on dimensions). 

There is also plenty of space there for administration buildings and an indoor facility. 

 

[Demon17 5,038]

2 hours ago, 640MD said:

It needs to be kept in mind.  That this is Crown Land. It’s leased.  We will not own it, will perhaps own the building.  We can take it with us when we leave.  

Not sure about asset gain.

It will appear on our Balance Sheet and has true value, not something like treating players as assets.

The whole state runs on long term crown land leases. Nothing serious in that.

Think Yarra Park, or Cunningham Pier Geelong(which the late Frank Costa held a 99 year lease for, then a serious building built on the end. Frank wasn't concerned), 

[Demon17 5,038]

53 minutes ago, old dee said:

Not sure why when people state the actually state of affairs it is labed negative. Sadly however I do agree with you I doubt I will see it finished which I find sad as I have been following the nomadic mfc for as long as I can remember.

Chin up Old Dee.

You will be around for the opening, just that your moniker on Demonland will be "Older Dee"