Ssshh, it's a closed session

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Jeffy lost his appetite for the contest. It doesn't sound like that's an issue for Kozzie.

I believe this is absolute rubbish. He had family issues in 2018, badly injured his shoulder twice in 2019, none of his injuries involved appetite or shirking. 

[dworship 3,342]

10 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Great training report. As a track watcher through most of last season I think the biggest challenge will be for the team to play how they train. Last year my opinion was that we consistently failed to play in a style that did not resemble how we trained. At training we moved the ball quickly but judiciously to a free target, switched across the ground to change the angle of attack, hand balled to advantage just like we all did at training in our suburban careers. However all I saw in most of our games was see ball, get ball and kick long to a contest and just keep bombing it long etc. we all saw it but as I said repeatedly last year that is not how we were training. Maybe that was all about lack of personnel, lack of faith in a constantly changing line up due to injury and form? May this season be totally different and we  play how we train and bring some subtle finesse added to a physical and brutal game plan.

Agree, and I think the lack of opposition at training had us all fooled a bit. That old analogy about dancing with your sister was compounded by the sister having two left feet. My observations of training on Monday looked like the sister knew how to dance.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Jeffy lost his appetite for the contest. It doesn't sound like that's an issue for Kozzie.

Lead our tackles inside 50 for 2015, 2017, 2018 & 2019. 2nd in 2016.

[binman 43,131]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Lead our tackles inside 50 for 2015, 2017, 2018 & 2019. 2nd in 2016.

Be that as it may he was not physically competive enough at the end. Which is why they delisted him. And why no other club picked him up.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

9 hours ago, binman said:

Be that as it may he was not physically competive enough at the end. Which is why they delisted him. And why no other club picked him up.

Yeah I'm not trying to imply he was fantastic or his effort was consistent (was anyone's last year?), but I just think criticism of Jeff is sometimes over the top, and comments like 'lost his appetite' seem strange to me when it's about a player who lead our tackles inside 50 and our average goals; both things we were in desperate need of in 2019. Plus, as others have mentioned; injury and personal circumstances had a big impact on him in his last couple of years so I guess that's why I feel the need to comment sometimes.

[binman 43,131]

48 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah I'm not trying to imply he was fantastic or his effort was consistent (was anyone's last year?), but I just think criticism of Jeff is sometimes over the top, and comments like 'lost his appetite' seem strange to me when it's about a player who lead our tackles inside 50 and our average goals; both things we were in desperate need of in 2019. Plus, as others have mentioned; injury and personal circumstances had a big impact on him in his last couple of years so I guess that's why I feel the need to comment sometimes.

That's fair enough. I loved jeffy. He was terrific for us. And had a bad run with injury (his shoulder injury in rhe preseason game ladt year was terrible timing and really knocked him oof his axis) and as you say had to deal with some personal stuff. 

I definitely don't want to denigrate him or tarnish his legacy. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

28 minutes ago, binman said:

That's fair enough. I loved jeffy. He was terrific for us. And had a bad run with injury (his shoulder injury in rhe preseason game ladt year was terrible timing and really knocked him oof his axis) and as you say had to deal with some personal stuff. 

I definitely don't want to denigrate him or tarnish his legacy. 

Oh, wasn't directed at you at all mate, or anyone specifically really, just a general comment, your observation was fair enough.

[dieter 3,325]

21 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Oh, wasn't directed at you at all mate, or anyone specifically really, just a general comment, your observation was fair enough.

Also, I can't help it, but I detected a subliminal antipathy towards Garlett from some of his critics on this site. I may be wrong....

[Neil Crompton 5,576]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

Also, I can't help it, but I detected a subliminal antipathy towards Garlett from some of his critics on this site. I may be wrong....

So in a thread about our last training session, you have been able to detect an underlying, deep-seated aversion - which is what "subliminal antipathy" basically means - to Jeffy by some on here? Are you f' ing serious?

Why would you even raise such a thing about a player - a much loved player - no longer at the club? Are you trying to stir up trouble?, infer racial issues? what?

I normally read your comments with interest Dieter, but this last one absolutely astounds me.

[dieter 3,325]

19 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

So in a thread about our last training session, you have been able to detect an underlying, deep-seated aversion - which is what "subliminal antipathy" basically means - to Jeffy by some on here? Are you f' ing serious?

Why would you even raise such a thing about a player - a much loved player - no longer at the club? Are you trying to stir up trouble?, infer racial issues? what?

I normally read your comments with interest Dieter, but this last one absolutely astounds me.

Please don't get me wrong: it was in relation to some correspondence between Binann and Lord Nev. But, it has been my experience that there are posters on this site who kept calling him soft, etc etc, and I wasn't just referring to this 'Training Session' thread. He was never 'soft'. He played his way, the way Eddie and Rioli play and played their way. There are people on this site who didn't understand that. That's all I want to say.

Edited January 26, 2020 by dieter

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

Also, I can't help it, but I detected a subliminal antipathy towards Garlett from some of his critics on this site. I may be wrong....

Just my opinion, but I think us fans (and our coaches) got a bit over-obsessed with hard at it, inside types for a few years. We love the bash and crash, the toughness, especially when you follow a team that has been beaten up and been 'bruise free' for so long, and so when we have a player that doesn't play that way we can be over-critical of that aspect of their game without realizing how much we need a mixture of players to be successful.

[jnrmac 20,104]

20 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Amazing we had an Indigenous forward in Jeff Garlett, who could bring magic but was accused of 'going missing', seems if you have a good junior highlight reel this is ok

I would be very surprised if Kossie plays round 1,  he runs out of steam very quickly at the moment

Garlett was allergic to physical contact.

Kossie seeks it out.

[Macca 17,002]

35 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Garlett was allergic to physical contact.

Kossie seeks it out.

An occasional short step would have been acceptable but Jeff ran past way too many contests (more so in the last year or so)

Such a good finisher though and he'd still be with us otherwise.  Garlett made the call on himself in a lot of ways ... Goodwin's decision to dispense with the bloke was made easier by Jeff himself.

But there are plenty who don't relish the contest when it doesn't look so obvious.  But ultimately they still get found out in the same way. 

Either traded away or delisted.

Those who are highly skilled or immensely skilled and therefore highly productive stay in the system.

[Sir Why You Little 37,052]

42 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Garlett was allergic to physical contact.

Kossie seeks it out.

Plainly obvious if you watch carefully enough. 
that is the way Jeff played, still had a lot of class, but liked being out wide. He was a running player. Others get their hands dirty

[DeeSpencer 25,723]

Jeepers a training report thread turning in to a defence of Jeff Garlett's hardness. 

What's next?

- 21 reasons why Simon Godfrey was actually a good kick
- Brock McLean wasn't slow, just poorly used.
- Mark Neeld - underrated.
- 7 reasons why you should try the Bat soup in Wuhan

[pineapple dee 2,892]

On 1/24/2020 at 11:49 PM, John Demonic said:

Replacing Hogan with Hourigan, should solve our forward line issues.

Hourigan, Hannigan, Flanagan..........

How does that song go again ????

[Demons11 7,032]

What’s happening with Melksham? Is he injured? 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Jeepers a training report thread turning in to a defence of Jeff Garlett's hardness.

That's not what was being said at all. Worth taking the time to understand the point if you're going to have a crack I reckon.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

4 hours ago, Macca said:

An occasional short step would have been acceptable but Jeff ran past way too many contests (more so in the last year or so)

Such a good finisher though

Amazing you can't put the pieces together when they're all there in front of you.

[Macca 17,002]

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Amazing you can't put the pieces together when they're all there in front of you.

In your imagination

You're never going to get it ... it's one thing to have favourites but you've got to be able to recognise faults.  You were the same with CS although you dropped him like a hot potato once he was removed. 

Which is typical of you.

If you really want to know why Garlett could no longer get a regular game and was ultimately delisted,  look no further than the coach of the team.

[John Demonic 5,816]

6 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Just my opinion, but I think us fans (and our coaches) got a bit over-obsessed with hard at it, inside types for a few years. We love the bash and crash, the toughness, especially when you follow a team that has been beaten up and been 'bruise free' for so long, and so when we have a player that doesn't play that way we can be over-critical of that aspect of their game without realizing how much we need a mixture of players to be successful.

Be that as it may, Jeff is also 30 years of age and just finished his contract. If you're finishing strongly, you get another 2 or 3 years. If you see out a contract in the way Jeffy did, whether there are a few mitigating circumstances or not, you're going to be passed up for a younger player/s that the club can get some games and experience into for the future. The club doesnt want to risk having another year or two of his total output again (Forget stats) especially for someone who'll be finished at the end of those years anyway.

Edited January 26, 2020 by John Demonic

[Lord Nev 13,512]

10 minutes ago, Macca said:

In your imagination

No, you literally just somehow wrote down all the pieces but then failed to put them together. Nothing to do with me.

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

You're never going to get it ... it's one thing to have favourites but you've got to be able to recognise faults.  You were the same with CS although you dropped him like a hot potato once he was removed.

CS?

And there you go again, talking about Jeff's finishing and outside skill; yet somehow not 'recognizing the faults' of the team and how those things are related.

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

Which is typical of you.

I've never met you, so I'm not sure why you're grasping for personal assessments.

14 minutes ago, Macca said:

If you really want to know why Garlett could no longer get a regular game and was ultimately delisted,  look no further than the coach of the team.

The coach? The coach who is the most under pressure senior coach in the league this year? The coach who has been widely recognized as being too obsessed with the contest and crowding the ball? The coach who oversaw us chasing any good quality outside player/finisher available in the trade/draft period because he's clearly recognized he's got the balance wrong?

Are we talking about the same coach?

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

9 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Be that as it may, Jeff is also 30 years of age and just finished his contract. If you're finishing strongly, you get another 2 or 3 years. If you see out a contract in the way Jeffy did, whether there are a few mitigating circumstances or not, you're going to be passed up for a younger player/s that the club can get some games and experience into for the future. The club doesnt want to risk having another year or two of his total output again (Forget stats) especially for someone who'll be finished at the end of those years anyway.

Yep, agree with that. I've not made any argument trying to say we should have kept him and he was in great form, just that I think some take the criticism too far (typical of internet forums though I guess), and fail to take into account the context of the team, the need of balance on game day and the blokes circumstances.

[Macca 17,002]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

You wrote down all the pieces (about Garlett)

Yeah I did ... it's called a balanced view, stuie

You might want to try it sometime (if you're capable)

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Plainly obvious if you watch carefully enough. 
that is the way Jeff played, still had a lot of class, but liked being out wide. He was a running player. Others get their hands dirty

But clubs need both types of players don't they?

I realise it's not as simple as that, even 'outside' players need to go when it's their turn. But are we criticising an outside type player, in a team all but void of them, for not taking on someone else's role, or cleaning up after someone that failed?