Jump to content

Are we plotting a late heist?

Demonland
Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

1 minute ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Any deal with GWS shifting our pick 3 back to 6 needs to come with an agreement from GWS that they won't choose who we want at 6. e.g. If we're dropping back to pick 6 because we think pick 3 is too high for Stephens (just guessing a name), but then GWS use pick 3 on Stephens, we lose out on getting the player we wanted.

We don't hold all the cards here, yes we have the good ones, but certainly not all of them.

If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Shocked 1
     
    I reckon GWS will get 26 from North for Bonner and then trade us 6, 26 and 2020 1st for 3
  • Quote
    • Like 4
    1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

    If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

    Isn't the point of them trading up to 3 so they can pick up another player, then use later picks packaged up for Green. Why would you use a pick on a player when you can get him later for less?

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    35 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

    Issac isn't worth a high pick though.  So unless we are in a split via swap of pick / player deal, and soon, that's not even viable as it stands.  If he was part of a deal that's already been in play and discussions well under way?  Possibly.

    Would you consider pick 8 for Smith and 11. especially if the intention is to take Weightman with that pick so you're really getting Smith as a bonus.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Why help GWS?

  • Quote

    3 minutes ago, jimbo1982 said:

    Why help GWS?

    Mutually beneficial deals is why our club gets stuff done at trade week and clubs like Essendon just blow hot air out their [censored]

  • Quote
    • Like 10
     
    2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

    Yes they can but the discussed scenario includes losing their 2020 1st rounder to us so they'd be down to later picks which would wipe out their 2020 draft. If they have academy players then they'd be in trouble paying for them.

    True but they can deal with that next year by trading back in to those rounds as long as the AFL signs it off (which they certainly would)

  • Quote

    38 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    So here are some scenarios with GWS

    A. No trades happen

    Melbourne selects Green with pick 3.

    GWS matches the bid and is forced to use 1787 draft points (pick 3 2234 - 20% discount). This consumes their pick 6 and moves their next pick 40 back to around pick 42.

    B. GWS trades 6 and ‘ice cream’ for our pick 3.

                GWS picks up elite talent with pick 3

                Worst case for GWS is that then at pick 4 Adelaide selects Green.

    GWS matches the bid and is forced to use 1627 draft points (pick 4 2034 – 20% discount). This consumes their remaining picks in the first 4 rounds this year (40, 59, 60) and another 1024 points off their first pick in the 2020 draft. They may pick up more points from a Bonar trade, but not enough to eliminate a deficit going into 2020.

    C. GWS trades 6 and ‘ice cream’ for our pick 3.

                GWS picks Green with pick 3, and their next pick is 40.

    Scenario A gives GWS their Academy star, while scenario B gives them a top end talent pick as well as their Academy star, but leaves them short next year. I don’t know what Academy talent they have coming through for next year, but it would be a big call to go into deficit.

    Scenario C gets them Green and the rest of their draft is unchanged. A and C are very similar for 2019, so I can’t see why they’d do a trade with us to simply pick up what they could without a trade including ‘ice cream’. It’s even worse for them if they trade us their 2020 first rounder as the ice cream. That would mean their 2020 deficit comes off their 2nd rounder. That would be a draft disaster I’d say.

    Whichever way you look at it, they won't be trading with us for 3, and then choosing Green with pick 3. We 100% need to know who they're after at 3 if we were to do a trade.

  • Quote
    • Thanks 1

    So Gws want another high draft player at 3 and then use their next pic 40 to take green who is by all accounts a gun  

    Why the hell would we bend over to give them pic 3. Make them pay overs and see how much they want it. If not we have pic 3 and 8. GWS Next yrs first rounder is pretty worthless give the comprised draft  

    Why would we assist GWS in getting an even better side than they are. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
    1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

    Would you consider pick 8 for Smith and 11. especially if the intention is to take Weightman with that pick so you're really getting Smith as a bonus.

    Provided the Hawks sent back pick 42 for a Jenkins peanuts deal.... certainly PO!

  • Quote

    As long as we don't play the GWS cast off game again I'll be content.

    We've already done that a few times and it hasn't been a happy ending.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    51 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

    Dr G is on the money. Good diagnosis 

  • Quote
    9 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    As long as we don't play the GWS cast off game again I'll be content.

    We've already done that a few times and it hasn't been a happy ending.

    No cast offs, and no future first pick. It needs to be a genuinely good player or no deal. Their upside is huge, ours would need to be similar and I don't think a late first rounder in a dodgy draft would do it.

  • Quote
    1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

    Right, cheer for that Doc.  I was off the mark on that one.

    Apologies also to @FireInTheBelly.

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    1 hour ago, DemonOX said:

    So Gws want another high draft player at 3 and then use their next pic 40 to take green who is by all accounts a gun  

    Why the hell would we bend over to give them pic 3. Make them pay overs and see how much they want it. If not we have pic 3 and 8. GWS Next yrs first rounder is pretty worthless give the comprised draft  

    Why would we assist GWS in getting an even better side than they are. 

    Being the second best team in the comp behind GWS is a pretty good situation. Richmond were that and just won the flag by 89 points. 

    In 2016 Brisbane traded pick 2 and late picks for 3, 16. 

    Taranto for McCluggage and Berry. As good as Taranto is the Lions got 2 core pieces of their rebuild who both stuck around and a couple of years later really should’ve beaten GWS in a semi final. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Speaking of huge deals, what happened to Billy Stretch to GC?

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    22 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    Speaking of huge deals, what happened to Billy Stretch to GC?

    Probably go as delisted free agent.

  • Quote
    •  

    What time does trade period officially finish today? 

  • Quote
    1 minute ago, PaulRB said:

    What time does trade period officially finish today? 

    7.30 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • GAMEDAY: Fremantle

      It’s Game Day, and the Demons return to the MCG wounded, undermanned and desperate. Still searching for their first win of the season, Melbourne faces a daunting task against the Fremantle Dockers. With key pillars missing at both ends of the ground, the Dees must find a way to rise above the adversity and ignite their season before it slips way beyond reach. Will today be the spark that turns it all around, or are we staring down the barrel of a 0–6 start?

      • 22 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Fremantle

      A month is a long time in AFL football. The proof of this is in the current state of the two teams contesting against each other early this Saturday afternoon at the MCG. It’s hard to fathom that when Melbourne and Fremantle kicked off the 2025 season, the former looked like being a major player in this year’s competition after it came close to beating one of the favourites in the GWS Giants while the latter was smashed by Geelong to the tune of 78 points and looked like rubbish. Fast forward to today and the Demons are low on confidence and appear panic stricken as their winless streak heads towards an even half dozen and pressure mounts on the coach and team leadership.  Meanwhile, the Dockers have recovered their composure and now sit in the top eight. They are definitely on the up and up and look most likely winners this weekend against a team which they have recently dominated and which struggles to find enough passages to the goals to trouble the scorers. And with that, Fremantle will head to the MCG, feeling very good about itself after demolishing Richmond in the Barossa Valley with Josh Treacy coming off a six goal haul and facing up to a Melbourne defence already without Jake Lever and a shaky Steven May needing to pass a fitness test just to make it onto the field of play. 

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 06

      The Easter Round kicks off in style with a Thursday night showdown between Brisbane and Collingwood, as both sides look to solidify their spots inside the Top 4 early in the season. Good Friday brings a double-header, with Carlton out to claim consecutive wins when they face the struggling Kangaroos, while later that night the Eagles host the Bombers in Perth, still chasing their first victory of the year. Saturday features another marquee clash as the resurgent Crows look to rebound from back-to-back losses against a formidable GWS outfit. That evening, all eyes will be on Marvel Stadium where Damien Hardwick returns to face his old side—the Tigers—coaching the Suns at a ground he's never hidden his disdain for. Sunday offers two crucial contests where the prize is keeping touch with the Top 8. First, Sydney and Port Adelaide go head-to-head, followed by a fierce battle between the Bulldogs and the Saints. Then, Easter Monday delivers the traditional clash between two bitter rivals, both desperate for a win to stay in touch with the top end of the ladder. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • 201 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Essendon

      What were they thinking? I mean by “they” the coaching panel and team selectors who chose the team to play against an opponent who, like Melbourne, had made a poor start to the season and who they appeared perfectly capable of beating in what was possibly the last chance to turn the season around.It’s no secret that the Demons’ forward line is totally dysfunctional, having opened the season barely able to average sixty points per game which means there has been no semblance of any system from the team going forward into attack. Nevertheless, on Saturday night at the Adelaide Oval in one of the Gather Round showcase games, Melbourne, with Max Gawn dominating the hit outs against a depleted Essendon ruck resulting from Nick Bryan’s early exit, finished just ahead in clearances won and found itself inside the 50 metre arc 51 times to 43. The end result was a final score that had the Bombers winning 15.6 (96) to 8.9 (57). On balance, one could expect this to result in a two or three goal win, but in this case, it translated into a six and a half goal defeat because they only managed to convert eight times or 11.68% of their entries. The Bombers more than doubled that. On Thursday night at the same ground, the losing team Adelaide managed to score 100 points from almost the same number of times inside 50.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: Essendon

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 14th April @ the all new time of 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect another Demons loss at Kardinia Park to the Cats in the Round 04. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

        • Like
      • 63 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Fremantle

      The Demons return home to the MCG in search of their first win for the 2025 Premiership season when they take on the Fremantle Dockers on Saturday afternoon. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Like
      • 477 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All