Tom Green (Drafted by GWS Giants)

[Superunknown 4,054]

I’d be inclined to go dale Kerrigan on GWS and everyone else here

 

 

[Moonshadow 17,470]

If we keep pick 3, I'd like to hear views from Demonland's draft intelligentsia about this guy.

Should we call his name at pick 3, possibly forcing GWS to match bid? If they don't match, is he good enough to warrant pick 3? 

I'm not a fan of drafting for need, or bidding to force a hand. My view is almost totally 'best available' at that pick.

Thoughts?

 

Edited October 14, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Sorry kids 635]

Sounds like Moonshadow, contrary to his stated aim of ignoring me has taken my advice on picking Green. 

[drysdale demon 4,681]

23 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Sounds like Moonshadow, contrary to his stated aim of ignoring me has taken my advice on picking Green. 

Don't think he is taking your advice, there are plenty of others suggesting we nominate Green but it will be to no avail as GWS will still take him.

[Sorry kids 635]

6 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Don't think he is taking your advice, there are plenty of others suggesting we nominate Green but it will be to no avail as GWS will still take him.

How was the wheatbelt

 

[drysdale demon 4,681]

1 minute ago, Sorry kids said:

How was the wheatbelt

 

Haven't gone yet, waiting for my mate from swan hill to let me know when.

[Sorry kids 635]

3 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Haven't gone yet, waiting for my mate from swan hill to let me know when.

Down to one mate now eh, lol.

[whatwhat say what 22,078]

i personally doubt we'll nominate him, simply as we might not see him as 'best available'

[Lord Neville X Flash 243]

Has there been any acknowledgement in the media that GWS want pick 3, or is this isolated to demonland?

I feel like this scenario, if true, should be obvious to people in the business; but i have not heard anyone mention Green or a gws/melb pick swap. 

 

[drysdale demon 4,681]

17 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Down to one mate now eh, lol.

1 is better than none

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,379]

47 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Has there been any acknowledgement in the media that GWS want pick 3, or is this isolated to demonland?

I feel like this scenario, if true, should be obvious to people in the business; but i have not heard anyone mention Green or a gws/melb pick swap. 

 

There has been consistent talk of GWS needing to get a 'low pick' to get Green and a high quality draftee.

If they stop where they are, it more or less places his value at pick six (or we have offered too high a price for our pick).

[dazzledavey36 52,720]

Mitch Cleary just said that he doesn't think we will bid on Tom Green, which then makes sense why we wont split pick 3.

[Demon3 2,541]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mitch Cleary just said that he doesn't think we will bid on Tom Green, which then makes sense why we wont split pick 3.

Good, lets take pick 3, take Hayden Young, look at getting a small at 26 and a tall with out 3rd. Keep a pick for the pre-season or rookie draft and get on with getting the club back on the road.

[Superunknown 4,054]

Can someone pretty please explain this

 

is Tom Green an academy player /etc that’s why GWS can match!

 

if we bid, and they match, what does that actually mean in terms of draft/ picks/$ etc

we bid on him at 3

GWS says no we’ll match

then what?

they have to give up their next x picks to match the value of 3 in points which effectively releases a player further down the draft?

does it have a deleterious effect on us except maybe make us look like pr1x

[whatwhat say what 22,078]

11 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Can someone pretty please explain this

 

is Tom Green an academy player /etc that’s why GWS can match!

 

if we bid, and they match, what does that actually mean in terms of draft/ picks/$ etc

we bid on him at 3

GWS says no we’ll match

then what?

they have to give up their next x picks to match the value of 3 in points which effectively releases a player further down the draft?

does it have a deleterious effect on us except maybe make us look like pr1x

they get a 20% discount on points to pick him up - they must use points from their NEXT pick (which is new, i think, as you used to be able to use back-ended picks)

only danger to us is we have to take him, which would be a shame as he looks VERY good

we won't nominate him with 3 i don't think as we won't rate him in the top 3, but who knows...maybe we do! hard to know cos we DON'T LEAK anymore

[Superunknown 4,054]

7 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

they get a 20% discount on points to pick him up - they must use points from their NEXT pick (which is new, i think, as you used to be able to use back-ended picks)

only danger to us is we have to take him, which would be a shame as he looks VERY good

we won't nominate him with 3 i don't think as we won't rate him in the top 3, but who knows...maybe we do! hard to know cos we DON'T LEAK anymore

Thanks !

how can you use points from your next pick, eg if your next pick is 8 how can you take points from a pick??

[whatwhat say what 22,078]

17 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Thanks !

how can you use points from your next pick, eg if your next pick is 8 how can you take points from a pick??

each pick has points attributed to it

so we use pick 3 to bid on green, it's worth xyz points, then gw$ need to use xyz-20% points, which they can do so by using a combo of pick 12 and pick 50 say which are worth xyz-20% points

it's convoluted, and a farce, but less easily exploited than when sydney matched the mills bid a few years back as an example

Edited October 15, 2019 by whatwhatsaywhat

[Superunknown 4,054]

1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

each pick has points attributed to it

so we use pick 3 to bid on green, it's worth xyz points, then gw$ need to use xyz-20% points, which they can do so by using a combo of pick 12 and pick 50 say which are worth xyz-20% points

it's convoluted, and a farce, but less easily exploited than when sydney matched the mills bid a few years back as an example

That makes sense now

we could force them to pay overs by using 2 picks and sacrificing one to access the points

 

all because he’s an academy or father son?

 

thanks for explaining, much appreciated !??️‍♀️??

[Moonshadow 17,470]

If GWS had pick 3, they could use that on say, Sarong, and then use subsequent picks for Green when a club selects him with their pick. That's why there was talk here that we could split pick 3 with GWS and possibly receive 2 picks inside 15 for 3. Could be win/win.

[SidVicious 130]

Happy for us to bid on a player who looks like a future game breaker.

[Kent 2,858]

On 10/15/2019 at 10:54 AM, drysdale demon said:

Don't think he is taking your advice, there are plenty of others suggesting we nominate Green but it will be to no avail as GWS will still take him.

How can they match our 3

[drysdale demon 4,681]

26 minutes ago, Kent said:

How can they match our 3

Read the whole thread and find out or do some research on what picks are worth.

[Ugottobekidding 1,046]

If we nominate green.. they will have to match it and we have more chance of getting who we want pick 8?

Edited October 18, 2019 by Ugottobekidding

[Thehardtackler 785]

I thought Adelaide were going to nominate Green and that is why GWS want our pick 3?

[Dante 2,704]

On 10/11/2019 at 7:41 AM, Rusty Nails said:

This should be ours....

 

Trenners won the B&F in the SANFL this year, we have had some pretty ordinary results picking players from that comp.