Jump to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

Demonland

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.

Featured Replies

 

Why am I not surprised no one from the AFL agreed to appear on the Insight program on SBS? They seem to want to ignore anything which is unpalatable. No wonder Barnes sounded bitter.

 

It's an interesting issue, devastating of course to hear Shaun be so raw about how concussion has affected his life.

The interesting part to it is that a lot of these players would've been the first to tell a coach or doctor that they were fine to continue. I heard that players used to cheat the concussion tests by performing them poorly at the start of the year so they could pass during matches they'd sustained head knocks.

I think it's right for them to seek damages from the AFL to help aid in their treatment and issues they face, lord knows that the AFL has enough $$$.

I think Shaun played in some Ted Whitten legends game/s long after his playing days. I wonder if his issue was know at the time. 

  • 1 month later...

On 10/9/2019 at 11:34 PM, Dame Gaga said:

Why am I not surprised no one from the AFL agreed to appear on the Insight program on SBS? They seem to want to ignore anything which is unpalatable. No wonder Barnes sounded bitter.

They are not into anything negative. But hey Gil got the price of Pies down for one year.

This is terrible, but other than them laying claim to the entire history and organisation of the game since day 1 how do you sue the AFL when you've played in half a dozen other competitions? They've got deep pockets so I hope he gets a ripper payout that eases some of the issues he's having but can't see how the lawyers could pin this 100% on the AFL.

Having said that, it will be different for today's players, now that every game is recorded and they'll be able to identify every incident a player has ever been involved with at senior level. In the 80s and 90s no chance.

 
53 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

This is terrible, but other than them laying claim to the entire history and organisation of the game since day 1 how do you sue the AFL when you've played in half a dozen other competitions? They've got deep pockets so I hope he gets a ripper payout that eases some of the issues he's having but can't see how the lawyers could pin this 100% on the AFL.

this problem is well known in workers compensation law and there are clear guidelines.

Joint and several liability etc is your friend as long as you can prove it caused or contributed to the injury.

The problem if there be one is the duty of care as measured by the standards of the time. The asbestos and tobacco industries were very good at running these arguments but ultimately lost.

The other issue is which entity owed the duty of care... the club he played for, the VFL or the AFL and of course who holds the insurance policies.


While we hear about the high profile cases, what about the 1000s of other players that have gone through the game in that time and their effects?  Reading his file, he had been hit hard a lot of times over a long period.  

I wonder what data the AFL has and going back how far.  Have they funded studies into the. Long term impact?   
 

howeve I think the AFL has made huge strides in mitigating the problem at all levels of footy.  Also players are more aware of not putting their head in them wrong place all them time

16 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

 

......  Also players are more aware of not putting their head in them wrong place all them time

i actually think the opposite.  because of the afl's, protect the head, pay a free kick, a lot of players are now perversely putting their heads in positions that are extremely risky......just to win a free kick (and maybe show how tough they are)

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i actually think the opposite.  because of the afl's, protect the head, pay a free kick, a lot of players are now perversely putting their heads in positions that are extremely risky......just to win a free kick (and maybe show how tough they are)

One down Geelong way comes immediately to mind dc.

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i actually think the opposite.  because of the afl's, protect the head, pay a free kick, a lot of players are now perversely putting their heads in positions that are extremely risky......just to win a free kick (and maybe show how tough they are)

True but it was Smith own fault, he would often fall on his head after taking a lot of his marks, Howe has the perfect technique he often  lands on his feet.

5 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

this problem is well known in workers compensation law and there are clear guidelines.

Joint and several liability etc is your friend as long as you can prove it caused or contributed to the injury.

The problem if there be one is the duty of care as measured by the standards of the time. The asbestos and tobacco industries were very good at running these arguments but ultimately lost.

The other issue is which entity owed the duty of care... the club he played for, the VFL or the AFL and of course who holds the insurance policies.

Thanks, appreciate the clarification. Glad to see there's a loophole to beat people like me.

Daniel Bell sued us for his concussions so no doubt we/our insurance company would be on the hook here.


31 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

True but it was Smith own fault, he would often fall on his head after taking a lot of his marks, Howe has the perfect technique he often  lands on his feet.

that's true in smith's case

Shaun Smith should not have to apply for a disability pension. The game, the industry, needs to take care of past players suffering physically or mentally due to their time in the game.

So many fans of the game decry changes to the game to protect the head and the delicate brain inside it but if anyone with that view reads the reality of Shaun Smith's existence and does not come to an acceptance then they're beyond hope.

There must be plenty of recent and current day players looking to their future and worrying about whether they'll pay a high price for concussions during their playing days. Some will, some won't. Jordan Lewis would be one looking forward with some anxiety. In 2010 he was knocked senseless in a game against the Bulldogs, came back on the field in that game then played the next week and played like his reactions were off the pace.

 

 

4 hours ago, old dee said:

One down Geelong way comes immediately to mind dc.

And one would suspect that particular player is in for serious problems in the future. It'll be interesting to watch that case to see if he looks for compensation, should he ever have similar issues.

57 minutes ago, Nasher said:

So? Smith isn’t saying people shouldn’t play. And besides, Joel is a grown adult who can make his own choices.

Yes i know all that. 
still rather ironic


The game has changed a hell of a lot since those days, where violence and big hits were accepted and celebrated parts of the game. Add to that with the increased knowledge around concussions, although there is still a way to go, and Joel is playing in a very different environment to that of his father.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • AFLW REPORT: Richmond

    A glorious sunny afternoon with a typically strong Casey Fields breeze favouring the city end greeted this round four clash of the undefeated Narrm against the winless Tigers. Pre-match, the teams entered the ground through the Deearmy’s inclusive banner—"Narrm Football Weaving Communities Together and then Warumungu/Yawuru woman and Fox Boundary Rider, Megan Waters, gave the official acknowledgement of country. Any concerns that Collingwood’s strategy of last week to discombobulate the Dees would be replicated by Ryan Ferguson and his Tigers evaporated in the second quarter when Richmond failed to use the wind advantage and Narrm scored three unanswered goals. 

      • Love
    • 4 replies
  • CASEY: Frankston

    The late-season run of Casey wins was broken in their first semifinal against Frankston in a heartbreaking end at Kinetic Stadium on Saturday night that in many respects reflected their entire season. When they were bad, they committed all of the football transgressions, including poor disposal, indiscipline, an inability to exert pressure, and some terrible decision-making, as exemplified by the period in the game when they conceded nine unanswered goals from early in the second quarter until halfway through the third term. You rarely win when you do this.

    • 0 replies
  • AFLW PREVIEW: Richmond

    Round four kicks off early Saturday afternoon at Casey Fields, as the mighty Narrm host the winless Richmond Tigers in the second week of Indigenous Round celebrations. With ideal footy conditions forecast—20 degrees, overcast skies, and a gentle breeze — expect a fast-paced contest. Narrm enters with momentum and a dangerous forward line, while Richmond is still searching for its first win. With key injuries on both sides and pride on the line, this clash promises plenty.

      • Like
    • 3 replies
  • AFLW REPORT: Collingwood

    Expectations of a comfortable win for Narrm at Victoria Park quickly evaporated as the match turned into a tense nail-biter. After a confident start by the Demons, the Pies piled on pressure and forced red and blue supporters to hold their collective breath until after the final siren. In a frenetic, physical contest, it was Captain Kate’s clutch last quarter goal and a missed shot from Collingwood’s Grace Campbell after the siren which sealed a thrilling 4-point win. Finally, Narrm supporters could breathe easy.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 2 replies
  • CASEY: Williamstown

    The Casey Demons issued a strong statement to the remaining teams in the VFL race with a thumping 76-point victory in their Elimination Final against Williamstown. This was the sixth consecutive win for the Demons, who stormed into the finals from a long way back with scalps including two of the teams still in flag contention. Senior Coach Taylor Whitford would have been delighted with the manner in which his team opened its finals campaign with high impact after securing the lead early in the game when Jai Culley delivered a precise pass to a lead from Noah Yze, who scored his first of seven straight goals for the day. Yze kicked his second on the quarter time siren, by which time the Demons were already in control. The youngster repeated the dose in the second term as the Seagulls were reduced to mere

    • 0 replies
  • AFLW PREVIEW: Collingwood

    Narrm time isn’t a standard concept—it’s the time within the traditional lands of Narrm, the Woiwurrung name for Melbourne. Indigenous Round runs for rounds 3 and 4 and is a powerful platform to recognise the contributions of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in sport, community, and Australian culture. This week, suburban footy returns to the infamous Victoria Park as the mighty Narrm take on the Collingwood Magpies at 1:05pm Narrm time, Sunday 31 August. Come along if you can.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 9 replies

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.