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Todd Viney Leaving Confirmed

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3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Correct, a slow or fast clock is never correct.

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    3 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Correct, a slow or fast clock is never correct.

    Actually. ..depends on how fast or slow..eventually  it will be ;)

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    1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

    Actually. ..depends on how fast or slow..eventually  it will be ;)

    Did you have to be the party pooper bb?

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    36 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    Now Bin, we picked Toumpas, enough said.

     

    Good point Red.

    Though we weren't forced to take the Toump. Who was next on the draft list?

    Ironic that the Toump also ended up at Port (and ended at Port). 

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    30 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

    SW has long tentacles that many are unaware of Mr T...

    His call yesterday was spot on

    That there would be more changes? Ground breaking stuff

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    10 minutes ago, binman said:

    That there would be more changes? Ground breaking stuff

    My sources tell me we're planning on playing 22 players in Round 1.

    Now THAT is ground breaking stuff.

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    2 hours ago, praha said:

    Worse than 1997 and 1999, about onpar with 2003, but not anywhere near as bad as 2008, 2009, second half of 2012, 2013 or 2014. 

    Given the high expectations on the club, I would say only season 2013 was worse (and less enjoyable) than 2019.

    At least in 1999, 2008, 2009, 2012 and 2014 we knew we were crap. 

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    24 minutes ago, binman said:

    That there would be more changes? Ground breaking stuff

     

    14 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    My sources tell me we're planning on playing 22 players in Round 1.

    Now THAT is ground breaking stuff.

    peeing step brothers GIF

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    2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

     

    peeing step brothers GIF

    Binman would be happy to admit that I'd win that swordfight.

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    1 hour ago, Farmer said:

    I think this is the example which shows there was NO conflict of interest. It is well known that Jack and Ollie were great mates, yet the decision was to recruit Toumpas who was disappointing.

    So you agree with me.

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    48 minutes ago, binman said:

    Good point Red.

    Though we weren't forced to take the Toump. Who was next on the draft list?

    Ironic that the Toump also ended up at Port (and ended at Port). 

    I know you can stuff up picks, but surely a club should get a top 5 pick right.

    Imagine if we drafted a Bontempelli type at that pick how much better we would be. 

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    1 hour ago, Farmer said:

    I think this is the example which shows there was NO conflict of interest. It is well known that Jack and Ollie were great mates, yet the decision was to recruit Toumpas who was disappointing.

    Well I beg to differ here, Conspiracy theorists and Im one reckon there could have been an  elephant in the room because one may just have tipped the other out of the side. I would have Ollie Wines anyday of the week over JV! AND over Jimmy Toumpas as well as I said often enough at the time of this draft!

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    1 minute ago, Redleg said:

    I know you can stuff up picks, but surely a club should get a top 5 pick right.

    Imagine if we drafted a Bontempelli type at that pick how much better we would be. 

    I need a head exploding button.

    Toump and cook were two real first round corkers

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    26 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    Given the high expectations on the club, I would say only season 2013 was worse (and less enjoyable) than 2019.

    At least in 1999, 2008, 2009, 2012 and 2014 we knew we were crap. 

    Yep agreed 2019 was absolute garbage, far worse than anything i can remember. With Neeld we were shiit because we were shiit

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    6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Well I beg to differ here, Conspiracy theorists and Im one reckon there could have been an  elephant in the room because one may just have tipped the other out of the side. I would have Ollie Wines anyday of the week over JV! AND over Jimmy Toumpas as well as I said often enough at the time of this draft!

    Stop putting yourself through such Torment Picket. 

    We all went through the shame...

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    38 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    Funny film ?.

    It had it's moments Mr Leg.  Neilson always pretty good value.  Some might say the easiest role of all but i thought Hagerty played her part superbly as well.

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    Viney's new wide-ranging duties will see him provide support for Melbourne's fitness, recruiting and coaching staff, while still being an authoritative voice on list decisions. 

    Melbourne's national recruiting officer, Tim Lamb, will have an increased role and take over some of Viney's former tasks, with senior coach Simon Goodwin keen to get him more involved.

    https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-06/offfield-role-tweak-for-demons-great-viney

    The question is what are we losing if Todd goes? And who replaces him? If Todd's been a big part of flooding the list with unskilled unfit players and neglecting skill and run then he's made some big mistakes. But if he's taken a backseat in that area and is more of a manager then maybe he's an experienced head in a young footy department.

    Do we need to make changes - yes. Do I really believe there's some kind of Goodwin cabal that's been holding the club back - nope, sorry. 

    Pert seemed to undermine Buckley and chop and change the support staff (losing Malthouse - thankfully, losing Eade, losing Balme) and Bucks was on eggshells. I'd hate for an already nervous coach in Goodwin to end up that way. Pert leaves the Pies and suddenly there's a whole new confidence to Buckley and his players.

    If Pert's working to provide new faces and support alongside Goodwin this will work out. If he's got an ego as big as his head and thinks it's clear the decks and ramp the pressure then he won't make the right changes and he'll be left holding the bill. 

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    37 minutes ago, binman said:

    I need a head exploding button.

    Toump and cook were two real first round corkers

    I have posted this before, but my son saw Cook training with us pre season and came home and said to me that he would never play for us in the Seniors. I laughed at him as he was an AA CHF . I stopped laughing very quickly.

    The point of that was, how can full time recruiters get it so wrong, when an amateur can see that he wasn’t up to it in one training session. Worst of all he was our first pick .

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    3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    I have posted this before, but my son saw Cook training with us pre season and came home and said to me that he would never play for us in the Seniors. I laughed at him as he was an AA CHF . I stopped laughing very quickly.

    The point of that was, how can full time recruiters get it so wrong, when an amateur can see that he wasn’t up to it in one training session. Worst of all he was our first pick .

    Who chose the recruiting team Red?  That might explain it.

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    4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

    I'm also hopeful that we add Yze to the coaching mix as well.  While we're hoping for a few wins in terms of the players we bring in, I think our biggest change for 2020 may be what happens off the field.

    These are our senior players that had uninterrupted preseasons and a good run with few injuries during the season:  Gawn, Fritsch, Salem, Frost, Lewis (?), Spargo, Hunt and ANB.  That's it. 

    These players either had significantly interrupted preseasons or injury interrupted seasons: May, Jones, Harmes, Petracca, Viney, Lever, Brayshaw, KK, Hibberd, Stretch, Melksham, Hannan, AVB, JKH, TMac, Weid, OMac, Hore and Jetta.

    We made, against all expectations, the PF playing fantastic footy coached and managed by the group of FD staff that is now undergoing significant change.  My very strong view is that most of our issues this year were bourne out of our PS and injury status,  the names above show that.  The major change we will have next year is a fit list and a good preseason.  If we have that we can match it with anyone.

    Our issues this year were not those in the FD who had proved their abilities with a reasonably fit list in the previous year. I think change is good for the club, new voices and different views,  but I suspect much of that change would have happened anyway. 

    Thanks to all those that stuck by us when we were awful and helped form a serious club = Macca, Misso, Craig, Todd, Jade and others I may have missed.

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    2 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

    These are our senior players that had uninterrupted preseasons and a good run with few injuries during the season:  Gawn, Fritsch, Salem, Frost, Lewis (?), Spargo, Hunt and ANB.  That's it. 

    These players either had significantly interrupted preseasons or injury interrupted seasons: May, Jones, Harmes, Petracca, Viney, Lever, Brayshaw, KK, Hibberd, Stretch, Melksham, Hannan, AVB, JKH, TMac, Weid, OMac, Hore and Jetta.

    We made, against all expectations, the PF playing fantastic footy coached and managed by the group of FD staff that is now undergoing significant change.  My very strong view is that most of our issues this year were bourne out of our PS and injury status,  the names above show that.  The major change we will have next year is a fit list and a good preseason.  If we have that we can match it with anyone.

    Our issues this year were not those in the FD who had proved their abilities with a reasonably fit list in the previous year. I think change is good for the club, new voices and different views,  but I suspect much of that change would have happened anyway. 

    Thanks to all those that stuck by us when we were awful and helped form a serious club = Macca, Misso, Craig, Todd, Jade and others I may have missed.

    Yep, I agree with all of that...That's 18 of our best players hampered by injury and post 2018 season operations...

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