Another thing I'll add here is, it looks likely that we will pick up Harley Bennell. I don't think he'll get back to his midfield best so as I've said in another thread I'd play him as the small forward option, skillful, indigenous goal sense. He comes for nothing, do we really need Pickett at 10? Just a thought.

2 hours ago, SFebes said:

Draft experts. You'd have to think/agree that the top 2-3 (Rowell, Anderson, Young) are all tier ones, then you have a group of guys from 4-11ish who are the next group then comes the lucky dip.

I love what Pickett brings to the table don't get me wrong, but as an investor you don't buy a house at the most expensive price because you like it. He's 67kgs, think of how easily Spargo gets pushed off the ball and players of similar size.

With Jackson at 3, which I think is a punt, taking Pickett at 10 is flirting the edge a little. As I've said before, none of us are experts, but from afar it just doesn't feel right, it's the vibe of it I suppose!

If I were to put up or shut up, I'd take Young at 3 and was thinking Kemp/Ash/Stephens at 8, unsure now at 10 whether that mid bunch will surprise and where they'll go, dropping two spots in this draft could prove costly. History shows that some of the best small forwards of the modern era dont average many goals a game and everyone is trained to apply pressure these days, try and turn one of our resting mids into that role, Oliver seems to be the most natural who could snag a couple a game.

It's a real shame Garlett deteriorated later in his career also.

There are no draft experts apart from the recruiters.

With all due respect to Cal Twomey - who is dramatically improving his reporting and presenting and Matt Balmer as far as I know they don't watch enough footy to be called experts. Maybe the other guys from AFL Draft Central could be close. And Knightmare might qualify ..just. Although the question is how long and how thoroughly has he been at it and what access he gets to players, data, medicals, psych profiles etc.

Pickett is seemingly the same height and body shape as Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti who at his physical peak is listed as 171cm and 76-79kg. AMT doesn't seem to struggle to bring down defenders.

AMT is 30 goals, 15 goal assists per season and 12 disposals, 4 tackles per game player. When he kicks a goal Essendon win. When he goes goal less Essendon lose. 

Entering the system at 18 Pickett should reach a higher ceiling on skill and physical development but I'd suggest he's somewhere between an AMT and a Cyril Rioli. Which is about where Dan Rioli fits as well. Pick 10, pick 15, pick 20.. I don't know.

Trying to turn Oliver or Viney in to pressure forwards? Nope. For one they are too important in the midfield. But otherwise they don't have the cat like reflexes and natural reading of the play. We can survive with lesser options trained in the defensive skills - Chandler/Bedford, ANB, Spargo, hopefully a fit Hannan but the truly special defensive pressure guys have special movement skills and innate reflexes.

5 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Another thing I'll add here is, it looks likely that we will pick up Harley Bennell. I don't think he'll get back to his midfield best so as I've said in another thread I'd play him as the small forward option, skillful, indigenous goal sense. He comes for nothing, do we really need Pickett at 10? Just a thought.

Yes. We need Pickett desperately! Pick 10 will be well worth it! 

3 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Another thing I'll add here is, it looks likely that we will pick up Harley Bennell. I don't think he'll get back to his midfield best so as I've said in another thread I'd play him as the small forward option, skillful, indigenous goal sense. He comes for nothing, do we really need Pickett at 10? Just a thought.

Bennell could sure add some skill to the forward line but he's a different style of athlete even at his peak. He's smooth and glides across the turf. 

If Indigenous players have an artistry to their games then in music terms Harley is smooth jazz, Kossie is heavy metal.

19 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Not exactly. Cyril was a top prospect all year and slid come draft time but Daniel’s name only came to attention very late (like Pickett). Two different draft stories.

 

Yeah, you're right actually. Regardless, Daniel shot up the draft boards based on actual output (4 goals in a TAC cup final, among the best afield in the AFL grand final curtain raiser, won the repeat sprint test at the combine, etc). I don't think the same can be said for Pickett. Both, perhaps, are viewed differently in part due to their surname. 

Pickett at 10 is a reach. His output at Nationals and SAFL (outside one reserves game) is bugger all. On output he’d barely scrape into the top 50 prospects. He's clearly got some special talents, but for the most part he hasn’t even got the basics down pat yet. 

People are getting worked up about some big hits he’s laid to unsuspecting opponents in the SAFL reserves... If he tried those bumps at AFL level he’d bounce off most players because he’s 170cms and 67kg. He’s tiny, like Spargo and despite all the ferocious intent in the world they’ll always struggle because they’re small. Even for a small forward he’s small.

People comparing him to Cyril are having a lend. Cyril was rated top 10 in his draft year and slid because he displayed poor attitude when interviewing. In terms of output, he was miles ahead of Pickett. Output aside, he’s also 8cms taller and 13kgs heavier. 

Pickett will always be a limited footballer and is not worthy of a top 10 draft pick.

People say they trust the club will pick the right player, I don’t. The club has proven to be wrong over and over again. We’re currently a failure of a football club and just finished 17th. There will be other players available at 10 who are unarguably better prospects than Pickett. We need to pick the best talent available, not reach for a type of player.

4 hours ago, SFebes said:

at 67kg he won't be doing much bone crunching for a few years at AFL level. We gave up a bit to get pick 8 which is potential A grade territory, not sure I'd be giving that up and moving into the teens for a couple of tier 2/3's. Especially taking into account the possibility of Jackson at 3.

The last i saw he was 71kg ....beefed up already SF!  Problem solved.  Also grown 1cm to a huge 171cm ?

11 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

People comparing him to Cyril are having a lend.

Agreed - they are both indigenous forwards with skills, that's about where the similarity ends I reckon. AMT looks a far better comparison in terms of body type and attributes. 

39 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Another thing I'll add here is, it looks likely that we will pick up Harley Bennell. I don't think he'll get back to his midfield best so as I've said in another thread I'd play him as the small forward option, skillful, indigenous goal sense. He comes for nothing, do we really need Pickett at 10? Just a thought.

Bennell is still very much a high risk and may not get on the park 

33 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Bennell could sure add some skill to the forward line but he's a different style of athlete even at his peak. He's smooth and glides across the turf. 

If Indigenous players have an artistry to their games then in music terms Harley is smooth jazz, Kossie is heavy metal.

Why do we need a "small" forward? We just need a crumber who can kick goals, whether they glide, spin, dance or whatever they do.

13 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

The last i saw he was 71kg ....beefed up already SF!  Problem solved.  Also grown 1cm to a huge 171cm ?

In that case, pick 3 should do it.

45 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

Trying to turn Oliver or Viney in to pressure forwards? Nope. 

That isn't what I meant, my mistake. I'm just saying the resting mids down there can rove and set up goals, not do it full time.

For eg: Dusty, Danger, Bont.

Edited November 25, 20195 yr by SFebes

3 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Why do we need a "small" forward? We just need a crumber who can kick goals, whether they glide, spin, dance or whatever they do.

Crumber - someone who hits the packs and bursts out with acceleration and agility. And more importantly Forward pressure - agility, burst, power. 

They athletic requirements for that role is quick, twitchy and ideally powerful guy. 

Even without dodgy calves Bennell is a different type of athlete. 

If small forwards are what we want then surely we tr get two picks in the teens?

If we can get 12 & 18 off Port then that could be Weightman and Pickett.

3 hours ago, Dees247 said:

Liam is his cousin

Neville is Kossie's cousin as well. Some pretty decent bloodlines there!

56 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

If small forwards are what we want then surely we tr get two picks in the teens?

If we can get 12 & 18 off Port then that could be Weightman and Pickett.

We won't be able to do it with pick 10 as Port were original owners of that pick before splitting it with St Kilda (it's seen a few homes now!).

MFCSS is strong this year. i can absolutely see us taking both Jackson and Pickett and watching Ash, Stephens and Young go on to become superstars and Kemp win 3 brownlows at the cats. 

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Pickett at 10 is a reach. His output at Nationals and SAFL (outside one reserves game) is bugger all. On output he’d barely scrape into the top 50 prospects. He's clearly got some special talents, but for the most part he hasn’t even got the basics down pat yet. 

People are getting worked up about some big hits he’s laid to unsuspecting opponents in the SAFL reserves... If he tried those bumps at AFL level he’d bounce off most players because he’s 170cms and 67kg. He’s tiny, like Spargo and despite all the ferocious intent in the world they’ll always struggle because they’re small. Even for a small forward he’s small.

People comparing him to Cyril are having a lend. Cyril was rated top 10 in his draft year and slid because he displayed poor attitude when interviewing. In terms of output, he was miles ahead of Pickett. Output aside, he’s also 8cms taller and 13kgs heavier. 

Pickett will always be a limited footballer and is not worthy of a top 10 draft pick.

People say they trust the club will pick the right player, I don’t. The club has proven to be wrong over and over again. We’re currently a failure of a football club and just finished 17th. There will be other players available at 10 who are unarguably better prospects than Pickett. We need to pick the best talent available, not reach for a type of player.

What pick do you think he is worth, hawks bulldogs and port are also keen on him at there 1st pick, do they have it wrong also?

8 minutes ago, brendan said:

What pick do you think he is worth, hawks bulldogs and port are also keen on him at there 1st pick, do they have it wrong also?

Maybe they're keen on Young, Ash or Kemp etc and want us to think they'll take Pickett..

Edited November 25, 20195 yr by John Demonic

4 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Maybe they're keen on Young, Ash or Kemp etc and want us to think they'll take Pickett..

Nailed it.

6 minutes ago, Dr evil said:

Nailed it.

Sadly we think the comp is singing kumbaya and preaching the good faith of win/win outcomes, when really they all want us to lose at their expense and will take advantage of us thinking 'being good to deal with' has future benefits..

Edited November 25, 20195 yr by John Demonic

38 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Neville is Kossie's cousin as well. Some pretty decent bloodlines there!

We won't be able to do it with pick 10 as Port were original owners of that pick before splitting it with St Kilda (it's seen a few homes now!).

The rule says "directly".  I assume that means you can't trade it to a club and directly trade it back from the same club. I believe if it comes back having been through another club it would be ok. 

10 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Maybe they're keen on Young, Ash or Kemp etc and want us to think they'll take Pickett..

Given that our next pick is at 28, it doesn't make any difference who they want to take.

I don't really understand why its such a big deal taking Pickett so early. If the club absolutely has their sights set on him and the options to pick him up later (with or without pick swaps) are just not feasible then you grab him before anyone else does.

Everyone using the word risk are absolutely right its totally a risk which can be said for most players beyond the first 5 picks in drafts, especially this year as its been well documented that this draft drops away or is at least even pickings (more unknown) after the first couple of picks. 

I think the mentality around drafts has changed. Players like picket who are true X factor players with natural skill, awareness, intensity and physicality only pop up every now and then. They're game winners. There's so many examples the most obvious one being the current small forwards for Richmond.

I'm not saying its going to work out that way with Pickett. But he's worth the risk. His ceiling is higher then most at this points of the draft IMO. Every year there's a draft bolter and this one happens to be exactly what this club needs. He even has the physical traits to give himself every chance of playing AFL next year if he finds the form.

Edited November 25, 20195 yr by Yung Blood

A "reach" only exists in the minds of others.

 

6 minutes ago, Yung Blood said:

I don't really understand why its such a big deal taking Pickett so early. If the club absolutely has their sights set on him and the options to pick him up later (with or without pick swaps) are just not feasible then you grab him before anyone else does.

Everyone using the word risk are absolutely right its totally a risk which can be said for most players beyond the first 5 picks in drafts, especially this year as its been well documented that this draft drops away or is at least even pickings (more unknown) after the first couple of picks. 

I think the mentality around drafts has changed. Players like picket who are true X factor players with natural skill, awareness, intensity and physicality only pop up every now and then. They're game winners. There's so many examples the most obvious one being the current small forwards for Richmond.

I'm not saying its going to work out that way with Pickett. But he's worth the risk. His ceiling is higher then most at this points of the draft IMO. Every year there's a draft bolter and this one happens to be exactly what this club needs. He even has the physical traits to give himself every chance of playing AFL next year if he finds the form.

Yep. I remember many going off their trees when we didn’t pick Parish because he was the “safest bet.” Surely, this club in particular, with Watts, Scully, Trengove, Morton etc etc who everybody rated as sure things has learned some things. Trust the recruiters and Pick the players you think will make it. We have as much chance of an error with a so called “ safe” bet as we do just backing our talent judges.