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POSTGAME: Rd 12 vs Collingwood

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33 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

Petracca has played his best game  today and has now strung 3 good consistent weeks so far. Keep it going

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    Petracca wins the ball 35-40 metres out from goal, slight angle, no confidence to take a couple of quick steps and nail the goal (he had the space and time), instead he hacks the ball forward in what was an attempted pass. He’s a junk time player with average disposal. TMac is having a year to forget, should he dropped, probably, difference is we know he is capable off. We’re still waiting for a break out game from Petracca. Any danger of laying a crunching tackle. No he wasn’t the sole reason we lost today but he’s not going to get anywhere near the likes of Treloar/Sidebottom/Pendles in his career. Our seasons shot, if we’re serious he should be dropped in a bid for him to realise his potential. I personally hoped he’s moved on at years end in our bid for a genuine mid of key forward.

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    1 hour ago, Jaded said:

    You have to feel positive about the fact that we can get the ball. But we cannot use it. The utter disrespect that Goodwin shows the wings at the MCG is embarrassing and makes him look like a moron.

    Nobody cares that we smash them in clearances because they know nobody on the outside can do anything with it. 

    Absolutely agree. All this modern inside outside talk is just another way of saying good wingman are worth their weight in gold on the G.

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    Gawn and Harmes were brilliant.

    Unfortunately, our midfield (with the exception of the two aforementioned players) doesn't know how to defend in transition. Until we fix this, we won't be a top 8 threat, let alone top 4 threat. 

    Petracca is trying his guts out but IMO the coaches have completely ruined his confidence. He looks to pass off at every opportunity inside 50 and has done, since last year's ridiculous review of a single selfish effort. 

    Goodwin is not going to make it as a senior coach unless he bites the bullet at the end of the season and changes the game style. Simple as that. We also need fresh ideas and fresh coaches to implement them next year.

    We need Salem, Fritsch and KK all playing forward of centre / on the wings. Our ball use going inside is still ridiculous and is rarely to the advantage of the forwards. 

    We need genuine crumbers in our forward half with speed. Jeff is done. He's too soft and inconsistent. He is the only genuine crumber we currently have. I hope we're scouring the country for a couple of speedsters with an ability to crumb. 

    We need another genuine KPF to support Weideman. Tom McDonald is a good second or third fiddle, nothing more. The way things are going, both McDonald's will be off our list at the expiry of their current contracts, but I thought Weid showed some good signs today.

    I think we'll struggle to win 5 games this year. It's all well and good to say our kicking was off, so it wasn't lost in the coaches box, but we have such little system to our play that it's time the blow torch was put fairly and squarely on Goodwin and co IMO.

     

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    9 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

    Collingwood didn’t even play good, we are just so shot. Had no idea going forward.

    I thought their first quarter was excellent. Their pressure was A grade and they completely controlled the territory battle. 

    After quarter time, our midfield stepped up, but our ineptness going forward and our inability to defend lost us the game.

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    44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Viney is a limited footballer and in no way in the same class as Dahlhouse, who has the tricks and smarts to play forward.

    Viney is an inside mid and thats it. 

    I wonder if there’s resentment against him amongst the players? He was made captain very early and partly because his father was a club champion. He made silly, holier than thou statements about May who had a couple of beers with mates. He’s hard at it but his decision-making is not great and his kicking is not straight.

     

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    3 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    Yes!

     

    Edited by SPC

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    1 hour ago, Thehardtackler said:

    Was at the game. I had a great view of Tom McDonald. He hobbled all game and struggled to break into a run. I fear that he has been mismanaged and should be rested the rest of the season to fix a very obvious injury.

    He's hobbled all year. 

    I was worried when I saw that footage at Viney's? wedding of him with his shoe off which wasn't all that far from round 1. 

    He's been cooked all year,  get him out and get it fixed FFS. 

     

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    4 minutes ago, A F said:

    Petracca is trying his guts out but IMO the coaches have completely ruined his confidence. He looks to pass off at every opportunity inside 50 and has done, since last year's ridiculous review of a single selfish effort.

    He SHOULD be selfish. He should watch de Goey's game and see how a talented player turns half chances into goals.

    Tracc has the talent, he should not have to worry about game plans, defensive pressure, etc. Just go out, see ball, get ball, wreak havoc. That's what freaks do, but he's not allowed to celebrate his freakdom. He's being turned into a second rate robot.

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    Oliver had a nothing game. 33 disposals yet only 7 were kicks. Racks up big numbers but doesn't hurt the opposition at all.

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    1 minute ago, Mazer Rackham said:

    He SHOULD be selfish. He should watch de Goey's game and see how a talented player turns half chances into goals.

    Tracc has the talent, he should not have to worry about game plans, defensive pressure, etc. Just go out, see ball, get ball, wreak havoc. That's what freaks do, but he's not allowed to celebrate his freakdom. He's being turned into a second rate robot.

    Good point!

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    6 minutes ago, Stormy Dee said:

    I wonder if there’s resentment against him amongst the players? He was made captain very early and partly because his father was a club champion. He made silly, holier than thou statements about May who had a couple of beers with mates. He’s hard at it but his decision-making is not great and his kicking is not straight.

     

    What did he say about May?

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    Jack Viney is not a popular member of the team, but some say that the captain isn’t supposed to be. 

    I say he has elevated to the status he has within the club on the coat tails of his father and others look at him with a degree of resentment 

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    I know I'm going broken record in this... But

    How the complete F is Spargo getting picked ahead of... ANB, Stretch, JKH, Lockhart, Preuss, ... anyone else fit

    He's been pathetic the last 3 weeks, it was obvious to everyone, and he's picked again and puts out a totally shouse effort for most of the first half

    Seriously, he's not up to AFL standard and I don't care that he got a few kicks in a team that was winning last year... That's the definition of a downhill skier!

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    1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:

    Goodwin is a poor coach, he always has been, but blaming him for our loses is bullsh*t. Goodwin isn't to blame for Salem turning the ball over all day, Viney declining, McDonald being a spud, and our mids not delivering the ball effectively into 50 (its not like Goodwin hasn't spoken of it). 

    Im giving Salem a pass - the head knock must have effected him- he was supposed to have passed the concussion test- but something was drastically wrong with him? His usually one of best at disposal 

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    We seem to time and time again over commit to the contest around the ball and leave the opposition numbers on the outside to either receive the outlet pass or to shut down out players as they try to run it out. 

     

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    I wonder if we can do a deal with the Storm, Cameron Smith would be handy in the forward line.

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    1 minute ago, CHF said:

    We seem to time and time again over commit to the contest around the ball and leave the opposition numbers on the outside to either receive the outlet pass or to shut down out players as they try to run it out. 

    Shh! Don't let the oppo coaches know or they'll start exploiting it! 

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    2 minutes ago, boydie said:

    I wonder if we can do a deal with the Storm, Cameron Smith would be handy in the forward line.

    Also he wouldn't get pinged for throwing. Umps don't ping anyone for that these days

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    4 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    I know I'm going broken record in this... But

    How the complete F is Spargo getting picked ahead of... ANB, Stretch, JKH, Lockhart, Preuss, ... anyone else fit

    He's been pathetic the last 3 weeks, it was obvious to everyone, and he's picked again and puts out a totally shouse effort for most of the first half

    Seriously, he's not up to AFL standard and I don't care that he got a few kicks in a team that was winning last year... That's the definition of a downhill skier!

    Not sure he is VFL standard either. Lockhart is a jet, would be a straight swap if Goodwin wasn’t the selector!! 

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    3 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    I know I'm going broken record in this... But

    How the complete F is Spargo getting picked ahead of... ANB, Stretch, JKH, Lockhart, Preuss, ... anyone else fit

    He's been pathetic the last 3 weeks, it was obvious to everyone, and he's picked again and puts out a totally shouse effort for most of the first half

    Seriously, he's not up to AFL standard and I don't care that he got a few kicks in a team that was winning last year... That's the definition of a downhill skier!

    Ask Maximum Bob - he is BIG Spargo fan- although he has not posted 1 reason why. I was told from a credible source that Spargo is this years  "project player" for Brendon Mc Carthy. Maybe McCarthy has some sway at selection?

     

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    6 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

    Petracca wins the ball 35-40 metres out from goal, slight angle, no confidence to take a couple of quick steps and nail the goal (he had the space and time), instead he hacks the ball forward in what was an attempted pass. He’s a junk time player with average disposal. TMac is having a year to forget, should he dropped, probably, difference is we know he is capable off. We’re still waiting for a break out game from Petracca. Any danger of laying a crunching tackle. No he wasn’t the sole reason we lost today but he’s not going to get anywhere near the likes of Treloar/Sidebottom/Pendles in his career. Our seasons shot, if we’re serious he should be dropped in a bid for him to realise his potential. I personally hoped he’s moved on at years end in our bid for a genuine mid of key forward.

    I have defended petracca at the start of the season due to lack of fitness, then a few poor games called for a change of role. But failing to kick for goal and trying to pass it is a coach driven practice. Ive read in a past article where our plan is to put it in "the hot spot" in front of the square as this is where the highest percentage of accurate goals is kicked from. Goodwins huge on numbers and the plan is to get  it to someone in this position. For a forward flank petracca meets the pass mark. Sad as i hoped ge would be much more.

    5 minutes ago, A F said:

    Gawn and Harmes were brilliant.

    Unfortunately, our midfield (with the exception of the two aforementioned players) doesn't know how to defend in transition. Until we fix this, we won't be a top 8 threat, let alone top 4 threat. 

    Petracca is trying his guts out but IMO the coaches have completely ruined his confidence. He looks to pass off at every opportunity inside 50 and has done, since last year's ridiculous review of a single selfish effort. 

    Goodwin is not going to make it as a senior coach unless he bites the bullet at the end of the season and changes the game style. Simple as that. We also need fresh ideas and fresh coaches to implement them next year.

    We need Salem, Fritsch and KK all playing forward of centre / on the wings. Our ball use going inside is still ridiculous and is rarely to the advantage of the forwards. 

    We need genuine crumbers in our forward half with speed. Jeff is done. He's too soft and inconsistent. He is the only genuine crumber we currently have. I hope we're scouring the country for a couple of speedsters with an ability to crumb. 

    We need another genuine KPF to support Weideman. Tom McDonald is a good second or third fiddle, nothing more. The way things are going, both McDonald's will be off our list at the expiry of their current contracts, but I thought Weid showed some good signs today.

    I think we'll struggle to win 5 games this year. It's all well and good to say our kicking was off, so it wasn't lost in the coaches box, but we have such little system to our play that it's time the blow torch was put fairly and squarely on Goodwin and co IMO.

     

    Weids looked pretty good in the last when he was hit up on the lead. Encouraging. 

    Oliver was at his most damaging tonight. Unfortunately it was his defensive attributes that were damaging us because he follows the contest and allows his opponent (trelore) to position himself as the outlet with no pressure. 

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    12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    What did he say about May?

    He just spewed out the club line that May had disappointed everyone. He was no doubt told to do it by the big bosses. 

    Edited by Stormy Dee

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