12 hours ago, A F said:

He may not want to, but it depends on whether he still loves the club.

He may more love the fact that it would at least triple his current salary.

On 6/4/2019 at 3:07 PM, Satyriconhome said:

You really have no idea do you, deciding whether to pull the trigger when there is another human being in front of you, enemy or not, bears no resemblance to deciding whether to tackle a player or not

Footy is a game, which unfortunately these days is analysed 24/7, nobody dies if your team loses, we have a myriad of media, all chasing the next headline, which encourages tge next paragraph

Some of the trolling displayed on here, not only against other posters, but also players like Omac and Weid disgusts me

Anyone can be a hero hiding behind a keyboard

Carlton sacked a coach, you would think with all the media that Bolton was a child killer, he wasn't, he is a guy that failed at his job and was moved on, happens every day in ' the real world', except of course in politics and unions

Agreed with this post until last unnecessary and incorrect comment. Its inclusion reinforces the ignorance that has been displayed in the last election. Politics and unions both have their examples of people failing in their job and moving or being moved on. With Such a high non voting and informal level this election we see a level of disengagement that does not occur in football clubs. We need to have the passion for the game retained and perhaps if similar passion was applied to politics there may be less of this ignorance. Sorry. Expressing such incorrect comments in an offhand way perpetuates fake news assumptions and is more dangerous to society than your usually insightful comments on our foot you club. 

32 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Agreed with this post until last unnecessary and incorrect comment. Its inclusion reinforces the ignorance that has been displayed in the last election. Politics and unions both have their examples of people failing in their job and moving or being moved on. With Such a high non voting and informal level this election we see a level of disengagement that does not occur in football clubs. We need to have the passion for the game retained and perhaps if similar passion was applied to politics there may be less of this ignorance. Sorry. Expressing such incorrect comments in an offhand way perpetuates fake news assumptions and is more dangerous to society than your usually insightful comments on our foot you club. 

Not sure I can agree with this line. How many members actually vote in football club board elections? While supporters are passionate at the ground I think they are generally extremely disengaged in anything beyond watching the game.

Silvagni's strike rate at GWS went according to how the draft generally works.  There are an amazing number of very talented under 18 players who,  for whatever reason,  just can't cut it at the top level.  And if we knew the reason as to why that happens,  they wouldn't get picked until much later in their respective drafts.

But the prized picks aren't given up on easily and that is where Silvagni has erred with the recycled picks at Carlton.  Top end picks often get a number of years to prove themselves.  We've done it at Melbourne a stack of times.

And those same top end picks often get other chances at other clubs - and it rarely ends well. 

Edited June 7, 20196 yr by Macca

On 6/6/2019 at 9:35 AM, ManDee said:

Demonland is an interesting cross section of the community. Many here would never communicate with each other in the real world. It is not surprising that from time to time we fail to communicate satisfactorily and more particularly fail to understand another's point of view. I personally am annoyed by things that normally I would walk away from. One of the great things about Demonland is communicating with others with a different point of view. I am sure we have geniuses, idiots, savants, druggies, drunkards and deviates (hello uncle) but we are all Demons. Perhaps before we throw a grenade (can I say that?) we take a kinder tack and cut some slack.

STFU MD!

 

14 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure I can agree with this line. How many members actually vote in football club board elections? While supporters are passionate at the ground I think they are generally extremely disengaged in anything beyond watching the game.

Good point. Maybe my metaphor was a bit ambitious, but I still support my contention.

On 6/3/2019 at 2:01 PM, Tony Tea said:

Get Bolton to the Dees. We need some new ideas in the footy department, and Bolton knows Clarko Footy.

I like. 

RSN Breakfast Club

 

@RSNBreakfast

 

"Melbourne are quite keen to talk to him about a potential role for next year." Julian de Stoop says the Dees are coming for Brendon Bolton #RSNBreakfastClub

Yep! I like this a lot! He was highly regarded at hawthorn for his development and positive relationship with the players.

Would love a coach to help with player development, teach Hawthorn style safe good tempo ball movement skills and add to the culture.....As long as we still have some additions to the foward half as well! Carlton couldn't score with Bolts in charge.

41 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Would love a coach to help with player development, teach Hawthorn style safe good tempo ball movement skills and add to the culture.....As long as we still have some additions to the foward half as well! Carlton couldn't score with Bolts in charge.

Bolton would certainly be a positive get considering his experience and cv at Hawthorn. 

But teaching a team to 'play' like another team always ends in tears. Just ask Richmond from a few years ago. 

We don't have the cattle to execute the 'hawthorn' style. Clubs recruit for a specific game plan. We've got a core group who play a certain way and we need to tweak the list and game style around that core. 

46 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Bolton would certainly be a positive get considering his experience and cv at Hawthorn. 

But teaching a team to 'play' like another team always ends in tears. Just ask Richmond from a few years ago. 

We don't have the cattle to execute the 'hawthorn' style. Clubs recruit for a specific game plan. We've got a core group who play a certain way and we need to tweak the list and game style around that core. 

just ask us. neeld *cough*

Happy to have Bolton on board...have been talking Richo if the Saints dump him as is likely but either would be a good get.

If there's anything we can learn from coaching changes of the recent past it's that first-time coaches are highly regarded the second-time around as an assistant. 

Think: Voss, Leppitsch, Ratten, and dare I say McCartney

9 hours ago, rolling fog said:

If there's anything we can learn from coaching changes of the recent past it's that first-time coaches are highly regarded the second-time around as an assistant. 

Think: Voss, Leppitsch, Ratten, and dare I say McCartney

Neeld.

19 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Bolton would certainly be a positive get considering his experience and cv at Hawthorn. 

But teaching a team to 'play' like another team always ends in tears. Just ask Richmond from a few years ago. 

We don't have the cattle to execute the 'hawthorn' style. Clubs recruit for a specific game plan. We've got a core group who play a certain way and we need to tweak the list and game style around that core. 

That's fair, but we've deliberately recruited good kicks for our backline. May, Salem, Jetta and with the right coaching I still believe Hibberd (and maybe even Oscar if in the side) are all very nice kicks and Lever and Hore aren't terrible. Jones if playing half back is a good kick in uncontested situations too. No reason Fritsch and Baker can't be developed as good ball users on the wing, if we get their running levels up.

We couldn't try to reinvent Hawthorn 2013. In fact I think moving the ball with so much uncontested kick and mark is too slow for good backlines these days and doesn't even work. Clarko made a big tweak last year to try to move the ball more directly for that reason.

But Geelong, Collingwood and West Coast are doing very well with backline kicking games to control possession safely until they reach the centre of the ground. We might not have a Hurn or Lewis Jetta but I'd say we have at least the same kicking skills of Collingwood and Geelong if not better. We just don't have the same midfield work rates or intercept marking (at this stage).

I think we should continue with a lot of our aggressive change the angles, play on and rumble through the midfield with Harmes/Oliver then quick in to the forward line game plan but it can be supplemented by a more patient build up around the backline, controlled moving of the ball that allows the forward line to react whilst still keeping the opposition backline under the pump.

Bolton and Goodwin, would be like two learner drivers at an intersection wondering who should turn first. 

Have mixed feelings about Bolton at the Dees. 

He is a Clarkson protege which on paper looks good.  But he had the Blues playing a woeful defense only game.

An example:  This year he had all the tall fwds simultaneously playing up the ground so they struggled to score.  Interestingly, their fwd coach was Teague, the current stand in coach.  He has put the fwds back where they belong - near to goal and they are kicking reasonable scores.  This suggests Bolton wasn't giving line coaches much latitude in how the team plays.  It has oft been reported that he is a control freak, has too many meetings and makes things complex and detailed.  

From the outside, not sure that the Goodwin style and Bolton style would make for good synergy. 

Edited July 4, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero