9 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I think Spargo is more important to our setting up forward play, than Jeffy.   Jeffy is a finisher...  but not so much a setter upper.

He aids or transition, operating around 40 - 55 Mtrs out

 

I think it would be Corey for Jeffy.  Corey plays a similar role to Melk...  who is a lock.

I think that will probably happen sooner rather than later provided Spargo doesn't have a mare DV

2 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

EO you may well be correct but the likes of Corey and Spargo aren't setting the world on fire either at the moment.  Jeffy is an established AFL player and doesn't need "more time"at a lower level to improve if he has shown he is bringing it in at least one game.  The only caveat to that might be that he does need more miles under his belt given he was injured for a bit.

All evidence doesn't necessarily support what you are saying on defence EO.  Statistically on average he brings as many pressure acts or more (and 1 more tackle per match inside 50) vs say a Spargo or a Melksham.  He also averages more tackles per game.

On the offensive side he also averages 1 more goal per game than those two.  I am comparing them as they are about the only two (available) smallish forward players who presently play a role that might keep Jeffy out.  He also has slightly more score involvements (on average) than Spargo or Melk to this point.

Now what IF,  CoreyW plays against the Saints,  and then comes out,  for Lockhart to play the Tigers.?

What IF Preuss does not play against the Saints, but Keilty comes in...  But then Preuss gets up for the ANZAC Eve game Vs Tigers... and Jeffy comes in-tandem, to be his feet. 

Then Keilty would then miss the Tigers game. 

 

This scenario gives Preuss more time to recover his shoulder.   And IMV the Tigers game will be less vigorous, for a player with sore shoulder.

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by DV8

Just now, DV8 said:

Now what IF,  CoreyW plays against the Saints,  and then comes out,  for Lockhart to play the Tigers.?

What IF Preuss does not play against the Saints, but Keilty comes in...  But then Preuss gets up for the ANZAC Eve game Vs Tigers... and Jeffy comes in-tandem, to be his feet. 

Then Keilty would miss the tigers game. 

 

This scenario gives Preuss more time to recover his shoulder.   And IMV the Tigers game will be less vigorous, for a player with sore shoulder.

DV don't make me repeat that overused footy cliche' please!

Based on history with St Kilda and looking at team sheets, I'm starting to get worried about the Burce/Membrey pair. Not that they will have sepctacular games, but that they could end up with four goals each just by following the process and being ready with lead-mark-goal on the end of St Kilda's fast movement and our loose and spacious defense.

Anyone want to help calm me down on that, what might the plan be?

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I think that will probably happen sooner rather than later provided Spargo doesn't have a mare DV

Don't misunderstand me,... I like  cWagner as well...  but he is a winger/half-forward in my mind.    And behind the Melksham's  and  Hannan's.

 

Spargo plays a different riole,  bringing very different skllls.  Spargo is ahead of his age/experience curve imv.  @ 19Yrs of age.

He will get much stronger physically,  and will learn to become even more composed than now.  He will I'm sure build a better tank as well.   Hoping he can become a rover/half-forward,  in future seasons.

7 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

DV don't make me repeat that overused footy cliche' please!

sorry,  ?  ?

3 minutes ago, DV8 said:

sorry,  ?  ?

Something to do with a week at a time!

10 hours ago, rjay said:

 

Experience is also overrated when it's inclusion is built on memories past...

If anyone watched Hodge last night & didn't buy into the Bruce...Hodgy BS, you would have seen a great player past his use by date.

The Pies ran rings around him & all the experience & guidance in the world doesn't cover that up. He wasn't on his own last night of course but his experience added nothing & had them one man down from the start. Injury then added to that.

If we are to be a serious finals contender then someone else needs to take the leadership role down back. We can't afford to carry a tour guide. Lewis like Hodge has gone one or two seasons too many...

Selection is hampered due to our long list of injured players, which will disadvantage any football club. The club decided to go with Lewis and Jetta this week. I only expressed an opinion...

I just want to go to the game and see an enormous EFFORT and a WIN from my TEAM, no matter who plays. When the injured players return the side will be much different I'm sure. You can only work with what is available at your disposal. I look forward to seeing one of the younger players putting their hands up (figuratively speaking) and taking on a leadership role on the field. I haven't seen it happen yet. 

7 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Don't misunderstand me,... I like  cWagner as well...  but he is a winger/half-forward in my mind.    And behind the Melksham's  and  Hannan's.

 

Spargo plays a different riole,  bringing very different skllls.  Spargo is ahead of his age/experience curve imv.  @ 19Yrs of age.

He will get much stronger physically,  and will learn to become even more composed than now.  He will I'm sure build a better tank as well.   Hoping he can become a rover/half-forward,  in future seasons.

Both are effectively rookies DV so must be given plenty more time obviously.  I see Corey as more of a swing man between the arcs playing a little more time pushing back to defend and intercept where possible but early days.  Spargo more a smallish half flanker pushing high into mid field at times.

Spargo is above AFL standard in disposal efficiency both with hands and kicking which i have no doubt is getting him over the line with the MC at times.  We need more of these, especially with kicking and to be above AFL average is a great asset for us at this early stage.  Just needs to build his possession count which should happen the more he plays as his tank improves.  Appears to be on track to becoming a regular solid contributor for us for years ahead provided he keeps his head down and works super hard on the track etc.

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Both are effectively rookies DV so must be given plenty more time obviously.  I see Corey as more of a swing man between the arcs playing a little more time pushing back to defend and intercept where possible but early days.  Spargo more a smallish half flanker pushing high into mid field at times.

Spargo is above AFL standard in disposal efficiency both with hands and kicking which i have no doubt is getting him over the line with the MC at times.  We need more of these, especially with kicking and to be above AFL average is a great asset for us at this early stage.  Just needs to build his possession count which should happen the more he plays as his tank improves.  Appears to be on track to becoming a regular solid contributor for us for years ahead provided he keeps his head down and works super hard on the track etc.

Yep, (corey) he plays positions around the boundary,  I agree with that.  Outside-ish but with plenty of go in him.

(spargo)  I think even at this early stage Spargo brings our forwardline stability,  composure and direction.   He spots up targets inside 40Mtrs beautifully.

His kicking/snaps for goal I'm sure will get better as he matures,  and gets stronger in his legs.  He will increase his kick penetration with this.

40 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Based on history with St Kilda and looking at team sheets, I'm starting to get worried about the Burce/Membrey pair. Not that they will have sepctacular games, but that they could end up with four goals each just by following the process and being ready with lead-mark-goal on the end of St Kilda's fast movement and our loose and spacious defense.

Anyone want to help calm me down on that, what might the plan be?

That's what Goody & Co. are getting good coin for.

From an amateurs perspective...

- Control the middle clearances (we have arguably the best ruckman in the comp and a stellar inside mid field) as much as possible at center bounces.

- All other times protect the middle of the ground if zoning and force them wide.

- If that fails and we are still getting smashed on the sling shot be prepared to go man on man to force the turnover

- Play a slow possession game if they have any sort of run on (eg., 3 goals in a row).  Slowly try to wrestle back control of the game and tempo until we are ahead on the scoreboard.

- If we get ahead by more than a few goals.....then we can release ....

 

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by Rusty Nails

1 hour ago, Dame Gaga said:

Selection is hampered due to our long list of injured players, which will disadvantage any football club. The club decided to go with Lewis and Jetta this week. I only expressed an opinion...

I just want to go to the game and see an enormous EFFORT and a WIN from my TEAM, no matter who plays. When the injured players return the side will be much different I'm sure. You can only work with what is available at your disposal. I look forward to seeing one of the younger players putting their hands up (figuratively speaking) and taking on a leadership role on the field. I haven't seen it happen yet. 

Well said Dame you are on the ball.

 

I just don't see a role for Jordan Lewis in 2019. Just too slow to match up against most half forwards and provides little run and carry off half back.

My fear is that the Saints will easily outrun us. Goody loves his inside mids and utilities. Always on about winning the contest. I'd love it if he watched the better teams of 2019 and saw their equal focus on run and carry/speed. We have too many players who choose to go into a contest when its their role to either close down an opponent in position to receive from contest or be that option for us.

 

Edited April 19, 20196 yr by demoniac
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2 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Based on history with St Kilda and looking at team sheets, I'm starting to get worried about the Burce/Membrey pair. Not that they will have sepctacular games, but that they could end up with four goals each just by following the process and being ready with lead-mark-goal on the end of St Kilda's fast movement and our loose and spacious defense.

Anyone want to help calm me down on that, what might the plan be?

That was the Saints game plan last year.  Run run run to outrun Melbourne.  It lead to Bruce and Membrey looking like Riewoldt and Franklin.  We must contain their runners. 

Looking at the St Kilda team, it is poor. No-name defence, no stars in the midfield. We should dominate in the ruck and at stoppages. Once we use the ball ok we should win. 

They could hurt us on the spread but we should have enough talent to win. 

If we lose we will be 1-4 and the saints 4-1. 

Just.... cannot happen. 

2 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Well said Dame you are on the ball.

 

She’s on the ball and I’m on the turps 

7 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

  I bet if we do win one he will be a key part of it.

Won't even be on the list! As limited a footballer as I have seen!

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Won't even be on the list! As limited a footballer as I have seen!

Rubbish.  Hes already one of the best decision makers at the club,  rarely wastes a possession,  sets up goal after goal.

He turned 19 just a few months ago and you're already writing him off. 

6 hours ago, demoniac said:

I just don't see a role for Jordan Lewis in 2019. Just too slow to match up against most half forwards and provides little run and carry off half back.

My fear is that the Saints will easily outrun us. Goody loves his inside mids and utilities. Always on about winning the contest. I'd love it if he watched the better teams of 2019 and saw their equal focus on run and carry/speed. We have too many players who choose to go into a contest when its their role to either close down an opponent in position to receive from contest or be that option for us.

 

I actually think hes exactly whats been missing down back. Holds the whole show together, when all about him are losing their heads. Lets just see how he goes for the next month or so. Will be his last year though.

15 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He'll probably get another run in the seniors but with May, Lever (when fit) ahead of him and Petty and Keilty breathing down his neck it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't play in the red and blue again this year.

I am supportive of this possible eventuality as there are quite a few 'neck breathers' near and further for the Dees' backline; it could well mean that OMac sees the year out at Casey, not returning to the AFL side this year. What is suggested for him from several quarters is that all will be ameliorated/repaired/reinvented/recuperated by such a stint at Casey, to get his mojo back and thus, becoming competitive again and in weekly consideration for the AFL team. I'd posit that he still should not make the cut based upon skills and aptitudes, alone. Except for taking two defensive marks  and one clearing punch in one game, I have never seen in OMac what others proclaim. 

13 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

And we've seen both ANB and Oscar dropped over the past fortnight.  Maybe Goodwin is finally running out of patience with these guys as well?  I think it's a good sign, though.  As fans we have seen it, and it's nice to know that the coaches see it as well.

This has been a reasonably consistent theme with Goodwin from the outset for the slightly more senior players - dropping them a week or so after everyone on here has truly lost patience. Validates what most of us can see, but also suggests he's willing to back in players for a time if in the midst of a form slump. I won't always agree but it's a worthy trait. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

13 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

Help me understand why people are all of a sudden insistent that a player (Garlett) who didn't make the cut to play finals for us last year, is now an important cog in the wheel of how this team plays, when all evidence points to his lack of forward pressure when the chips are down... He jagged some goals against a putrid VFL side...surely he needs more than 1 game?

What he potentially brings is not enough to what he has shown on numerous occasions that he cannot bring. 

I’ve read all the anti Jordan Lewis commentary. The fact of the matter is that we play better when he is out there marshalling the team. His team mates listen and look up to him. I reckon he will go on and make a damn fine coach too.

13 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Both are effectively rookies DV so must be given plenty more time obviously.  I see Corey as more of a swing man between the arcs playing a little more time pushing back to defend and intercept where possible but early days.  Spargo more a smallish half flanker pushing high into mid field at times.

Spargo is above AFL standard in disposal efficiency both with hands and kicking which i have no doubt is getting him over the line with the MC at times.  We need more of these, especially with kicking and to be above AFL average is a great asset for us at this early stage.  Just needs to build his possession count which should happen the more he plays as his tank improves.  Appears to be on track to becoming a regular solid contributor for us for years ahead provided he keeps his head down and works super hard on the track etc.

In the big-time, Spargo is learning rapidly when to go, when to get, when and how to give, what weaponry to employ for best effect. These are big lessons that he is handling well, so far. There is every expectation that these aptitudes will continue to be enriched and deployed with far less hindrance than that effected currently. 

10 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Rubbish.  Hes already one of the best decision makers at the club,  rarely wastes a possession,  sets up goal after goal.

He turned 19 just a few months ago and you're already writing him off. 

That's my opinion! lets review at seasons end, Maybe even after todays game. If I'm wrong ( doubtful but possible) I'll eat humble pie.

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

That's my opinion! lets review at seasons end, Maybe even after todays game. If I'm wrong ( doubtful but possible) I'll eat humble pie.

Lets review it at the end of 2020 when hes actually played a season as a 20 year old instead of a teenager. And even then it might be too early.