Dees honesty session.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

46 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Leaked to the media according to Jake Lever. Presumably by a participant at the meeting? A bit of unrest amongst the playing group? Just reading between the lines.

This is what concerns me as much as our form. Pre Roos/PJ era we leaked like a sieve but under their reign you never heard a peep from the inner sanctum. 

This info would not have been leaked if they were still in charge. 

 

[Smokey 4,389]

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

View your membership fee as a charitable donation every year and you will be much happier. 

Also somewhat of a fashion delivery service. I get a new scarf to wear every year, you could call the style "disappointment chic" 

 

[binman 42,919]

28 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thank you.

 

Hmmm, a blunt message from the senior players?  To the few who have performed this year?   Certainly all players need to run both ways but senior players (Viney, Jones and Gawn) have done far less in the middle than Oliver, Brayshaw and Salem.  

Going on Brayshaw's comments after the game that all players need to buy in (ie he doesn't think they are) is hard to reconcile with he, Oliver and Salem getting wrapped over the knuckles.

One wonders if it Sunday was really a 'finger pointing session'.

I hope the senior players game themselves a 'blunt message' or commit to the young guys how they are going to lift their game in the middle.    Otherwise poor leadership.

The kids can't do all the work.  They need help.

I don't like the comments from Brayshaw and harmed about players not buying in to the need for 2 way running.

And I don't like the media around our so called honesty session. Surely they could have kept that in house .

And I don't like the mixed messages from goody. First he says injury and fitness not an issue. Judge us on our performance. Then following a crap performance where our lack of spread and two way running, particularly from our mids,  he points out that every mid had been in rehab at some point over summer.

Together it all gives a sense of a club, if not in crisis, at the least not rowing in the same direction. Which is crazy after such a terrific, united season last year.

At the risk of drawing too long a bow this sort of poor external  communication is an extension of our appalling comms to fans though our website and other channels.

To be honest I think pert has some questions to answer. Comms is well and truly in his balliwick. 

Edited April 9, 2019 by binman

[old dee 23,788]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He's not fat. What are your skinfolds like?

Ok then he is just a large slow person.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

14 hours ago, bing181 said:

“Once everyone starts buying in and we start defending well we’ll start playing a lot better football”

James Harmes.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-04-09/we-can-turn-it-around-harmes

 

14 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

Another nothing article. Geez I would love 10 bucks for every time I have heard this over the past 55 years. Just shut up and put up James

Actually, just in that one line Harmes is saying a lot. Firstly, he's saying that he is aware that not everyone is buying in yet. That suggests to me he knows which players haven't yet bought in. Secondly, he's saying that he's also aware that there has been insufficient effort in defending. He's not identifying anyone or any particular group (ie, not just the defenders), but he's aware of where the problem lies. In that one line, he's showing awareness. I like it. 

[sue 9,102]

21 minutes ago, binman said:

...

And I don't like the mixed messages from goody. First he says injury and fitness not an issue. Judge us on our performance. Then following a crap performance where our lack of spread and two way running, particularly from our mids,  he points out that every mid had been in rehab at some point over summer.

...

I wouldn't get too worked up about what the coach says to the media.  He said injury and fitness is not an issue before the match to bolster some confidence with supporters though he knew what he said afterwards was the truth (or at least part of it).  I'm hoping players have enough sense to only listen to what they are told within the club.  What is said publicly is all fugazi and trite nonsense just to keep the AFL in the public eye.  

[old dee 23,788]

28 minutes ago, binman said:

I don't like the comments from Brayshaw and harmed about players not buying in to the need for 2 way running.

And I don't like the media around our so called honesty session. Surely they could have kept that in house .

And I don't like the mixed messages from goody. First he says injury and fitness not an issue. Judge us on our performance. Then following a crap performance where our lack of spread and two way running, particularly from our mids,  he points out that every mid had been in rehab at some point over summer.

Together it all gives a sense of a club, if not in crisis, at the least not rowing in the same direction. Which is crazy after such a terrific, united season last year.

At the risk of drawing too long a bow this sort of poor external  communication is an extension of our appalling comms to fans though our website and other channels.

To be honest I think pert has some questions to answer. Comms is well and truly in his balliwick. 

BInman if you expect more than puff pieces from any club web site then you are going to be sadly disappointed. You obviously are disappointed so don't go there.

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Actually, just in that one line Harmes is saying a lot. Firstly, he's saying that he is aware that not everyone is buying in yet. That suggests to me he knows which players haven't yet bought in. Secondly, he's saying that he's also aware that there has been insufficient effort in defending. He's not identifying anyone or any particular group (ie, not just the defenders), but he's aware of where the problem lies. In that one line, he's showing awareness. I like it. 

Brayshaw said the same thing after the game, yet it is they, Oliver who had the blowtorch applied to them by 'senior players' in the honesty session.  Now HS and The Age are also getting stuck into those kids (and to a lesser extent Viney).

Seems our mids and our 'senior players' don't see it the same way.

[old dee 23,788]

45 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Also somewhat of a fashion delivery service. I get a new scarf to wear every year, you could call the style "disappointment chic" 

 

That's the spirit a little cynicism goes a long way as a MFC supporter.

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

Winning is the only answer. 

Those that don’t “put in” this week will never do so...

[beelzebub 23,364]

Honesty

 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I've been rewatching the Sopranos and watched this one the other day. My god I was in tears, what a brilliant show. I forgot it was just as much a comedy as anything else.

Janice at anger management is the funniest.

[binman 42,919]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

BInman if you expect more than puff pieces from any club web site then you are going to be sadly disappointed. You obviously are disappointed so don't go there.

That's the problem. I don't go there. Ever. As a fan it should be the very first place i go for a range of information about the club.

Instead if i want to know something about club (eg links to pressers, links to radio interviews, links to articles, training times, game information,  discussion about training, even blood y photos of training!) i come to Demonland

Puff pieces have their place. Ours are rubbish and that's ok. But they are just one thing i want from my clubs website For a start how hard its to say keep a running list of Demon related media, with working links. Or regularly upload photos of training (and more than 6). A work experience kid could do it for pete's sake.

A website is a critical communication outward facing tool for any organisation in 2019. Ours is an embarrassment and poor reflection on our club and so called brand.

[old dee 23,788]

2 minutes ago, binman said:

That's the problem. I don't go there. Ever. As a fan it should be the very first place i go for a range of information about the club.

Instead if i want to know something about club (eg links to pressers, links to radio interviews, links to articles, training times, game information,  discussion about training, even blood y photos of training!) i come to Demonland

Puff pieces have their place. Ours are rubbish and that's ok. But they are just one thing i want from my clubs website For a start how hard its to say keep a running list of Demon related media, with working links. Or regularly upload photos of training (and more than 6). A work experience kid could do it for pete's sake.

A website is a critical communication outward facing tool for any organisation in 2019. Ours is an embarrassment and poor reflection on our club and so called brand.

Cannot comment on MFC site as I go to it about 3-4 times a year just for game info etc. Never read anything else.

[binman 42,919]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Cannot comment on MFC site as I go to it about 3-4 times a year just for game info etc. Never read anything else.

My point exactly. 

[old dee 23,788]

21 minutes ago, binman said:

My point exactly. 

Acceptance of something you cannot change  makes for a happy life.

 

[hemingway 7,627]

19 hours ago, AmDamDemon said:

Yea and what would he know? It's not like he's one for personal growth and learning ?

Honestly, didn't take much for MFCSS to rear its ugly head. 

Has nobody been paying attention for thelast four years? This is a journey, and it's not 2013. 

Cant believe some think they actually didn't review the prelim, or that the players were drinking their own bathwater, or that our coach is unable to learn and grow, and game plan is set in stone. 

Let's wait until the seadon ends (just like last year!) before making our assessments on this season. 

The supporter group needs to grow up

The reason that the PF keeps getting mentioned is that it is the coach himself who said that he did not discuss the match with the players due to the fact that the result was due to the team not playing our brand of footy.  Simply put, the defeat was due to the team not executing its game plan rather than our game plan being exploited.  Many have quite justifiably questioned this assessment. 

In all matches this year, opposing coaches have done the same thing as the  Eagles. Other factors may be at play as well such as 6/6/6, injuries, unavailability and poor form, but rightly the game plan is being seriously questioned and discussed. 

I agree that the final judgment will come at year end.

Bagging individual players or the coach is poor form, but most posters have objectively tried to comment on what they have seen to-date. Some go overboard but that's human nature.

Most of us were anticipating great things this year. Perhaps we had unrealistic expectations,  but it is understandable that supporters are very disappointed with the results so far and the way we have played.  And this website is a vehicle for comment and discussion. 

[DubDee 25,854]

5 hours ago, ManDee said:

AFL legend Wayne Carey backed the blunt player meeting and was adamant the Demons would turn their season around over the next month.

“Most clubs in their position would do that (honesty session),” Carey said on Triple M.

“But that said I have looked at their next five games, and they will win their next five on the trot.”

Herald Sun - via Outline

not sure why people are panicking about our season. Carey reckons we have the next five in the bag!!

[old dee 23,788]

20 minutes ago, DubDee said:

not sure why people are panicking about our season. Carey reckons we have the next five in the bag!!

I think he is delusional.

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

The reason that the PF keeps getting mentioned is that it is the coach himself who said that he did not discuss the match with the players due to the fact that the result was due to the team not playing our brand of footy.  Simply put, the defeat was due to the team not executing its game plan rather than our game plan being exploited.  Many have quite justifiably questioned this assessment. 

In all matches this year, opposing coaches have done the same thing as the  Eagles. Other factors may be at play as well such as 6/6/6, injuries, unavailability and poor form, but rightly the game plan is being seriously questioned and discussed. 

I agree that the final judgment will come at year end.

Bagging individual players or the coach is poor form, but most posters have objectively tried to comment on what they have seen to-date. Some go overboard but that's human nature.

Most of us were anticipating great things this year. Perhaps we had unrealistic expectations,  but it is understandable that supporters are very disappointed with the results so far and the way we have played.  And this website is a vehicle for comment and discussion. 

All fair points, but there's no way they didn't review it. For sure Goodwin has and is trying to learn from his and their mistakes. He is still learning how to balance media speak with his coaching duties, and I'm fairly sure that comment was to do with reinforcing the good habits that got us to the prelim, not dismissing the result of it.

As for this website being a vehicle for comment and discussion, I am making a comment towards the general discussion. That's allowed, right? I just reckon too many succumb to the negative groupthink too easily. What we saw last year was growth and improvement. I feel very confident we will see the same this year and am not going to hit the panic button because of the trauma we have all endured over the years. 

This group has absolutely nothing to do with teams of the past and, in my view anyway, earned themselves enough credit last season for us to give them more leeway than just three rounds.

Apologies if I came across as overly dismissive of the (somewhat) objective commentary. Stick fat Dees and support based on what we've seen over the journey, not just the recent bumps in the road. The media will do that for us, we don't need to join them.

[hemingway 7,627]

2 minutes ago, AmDamDemon said:

All fair points, but there's no way they didn't review it. For sure Goodwin has and is trying to learn from his and their mistakes. He is still learning how to balance media speak with his coaching duties, and I'm fairly sure that comment was to do with reinforcing the good habits that got us to the prelim, not dismissing the result of it.

As for this website being a vehicle for comment and discussion, I am making a comment towards the general discussion. That's allowed, right? I just reckon too many succumb to the negative groupthink too easily. What we saw last year was growth and improvement. I feel very confident we will see the same this year and am not going to hit the panic button because of the trauma we have all endured over the years. 

This group has absolutely nothing to do with teams of the past and, in my view anyway, earned themselves enough credit last season for us to give them more leeway than just three rounds.

Apologies if I came across as overly dismissive of the (somewhat) objective commentary. Stick fat Dees and support based on what we've seen over the journey, not just the recent bumps in the road. The media will do that for us, we don't need to join them.

Good for you, you make some relevant comments. 

Positivity is a much better way to go.

Its a long season.

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

1 minute ago, hemingway said:

Good for you, you make some relevant comments. 

Positivity is a much better way to go.

Its a long season

Good onya for being earnest, Ernest. Let's not pull the shotgun out just yet. 

Go Dees

[Redleg 40,904]

I am a fan of Oscar Mc but what he did on friday night was just plain dumb.

Having now watched the entire game back on TV, since I was at the game and obviously miss things there, I was absolutely stunned at Oscar on several occasions leaving his man and running to no mans land in between 2 Bombers and forcing Frost to try and run back to cover for him, thereby leaving his man. 

No wonder they had loose men and got uncontested marks in the forward 50, it was just ridiculous.

Then, when 2 backs jumped for the ball and Devon Smith is lurking behind the pack, near the Bombers goal, what does Josh Wagner do, he mans up on Smith, NO, he goes 3rd man up, leaving Smith to goal from the crumb. Wagner did this several times too.

Either our Coaches are dumb, or our players are or they all are.

Manning up in those situations would have saved several goals and probably have seen us winning, despite the umpiring.

Seriously, this is under 8 's stuff. How the hell is it allowed to happen.

Lastly, Jetta, has lost all pace, Hibberd and Jones have lost their kicking disposal, our key forwards lead to the wrong spots, our small forwards are slow, can't kick goals and are not applying enough pressure to keep the ball in our forward 50 and our mids don't help defensively.

Viney has no confidence from 30 out and passes to players in worse positions.

Max has no help.

Fix all that and we can make the finals and still have a good year. 

Edited April 10, 2019 by Redleg

[Deesprate 1,324]

20 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

Another nothing article. Geez I would love 10 bucks for every time I have heard this over the past 55 years. Just shut up and put up James

Absolutely. Brad Green incarnate

[DubDee 25,854]

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am a fan of Oscar Mc but what he did on friday night was just plain dumb.

Having now watched the entire game back on TV, since I was at the game and obviously miss things there, I was absolutely stunned at Oscar on several occasions leaving his man and running to no mans land in between 2 Bombers and forcing Frost to try and run back to cover for him, thereby leaving his man. 

No wonder they had loose men and got uncontested marks in the forward 50, it was just ridiculous.

Then, when 2 backs jumped for the ball and Devon Smith is lurking behind the pack, near the Bombers goal, what does Josh Wagner do, he mans up on Smith, NO, he goes 3rd man up, leaving Smith to goal from the crumb. Wagner did this several times too.

Either our Coaches are dumb, or our players are or they all are.

Manning up in those situations would have saved several goals and probably have seen us winning, despite the umpiring.

Seriously, this is under 8 's stuff. How the hell is it allowed to happen.

 

completely agree. although it wasn't just O Mac.  Was very noticable in the first Q.  we had the situation under comtrol as Essendon attack and then defenders run off their man when there is no need to. wtf, is that a team rule?!?   the easiest of kicks over the top

you would not get away with this in under 12s.  just embarressing