Farewell Jesse Hogan

[drdrake 3,160]

I reckon if we were trading Hogan, Cam Pederson would have been offered another year on his contract

[Watts the matter 1,235]

Just now, Petraccattack said:

Hogan is worth more than LEver, who bought in two first rounder.

So youre spot on.  We can throw in Dean Kent .

 

I would hope we intend to turn one of the picks into a player. If Hogan's going out I would want Wingard, Shiel or May coming in.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

5 minutes ago, watchtheeyes said:

Would feel better about that.. but would Freo be prepared to pay Brayshaw plus first round? Steep!

If Lachie Weller is worth Pick 4,then Hogan is worth that and much more. 

[What 18,810]

Heres the current draft order.  Gold Coast and Freo hold picks 2 and 5.  I would want both for Hogan, and nothing less.

 

 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-16/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-picks-as-they-stand

Edited September 25, 2018 by Petraccattack

[Redbeard 497]

3 minutes ago, drdrake said:

I reckon if we were trading Hogan, Cam Pederson would have been offered another year on his contract

Perhaps Gawn/Preuss will be the third tall behind TMac and Weid?

[old dee 23,774]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

If Lachie Weller is worth Pick 4,then Hogan is worth that and much more. 

Me too. Two first round picks is the mininium.IMO

[MurDoc516 1,505]

two first rounds minimum or a 1rd now and future first round next season which gives us two to go after Kelly.

[beelzebub 23,313]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

And those posters, myself included, were going by the fact there was no proof. All signs were that he was happy, so why would we trade him? 

Now that there is more info it changes things. That info is still unconfirmed, but there is potentially more legit stuff now. 

Gday Wiseblood...we often dont see eye to eye. Thats part of the wonderful make up of this form...the opportunity to have a different view

Whether this finally transpires or not, it in a fashion, simply vindicates the stand some of us had that this was in all likelihood a much better than evens chance of occurring. And should it...what could /would/should  we do about it.

Some of us were pilloried  for even suggesting such a thing . For mine its simply about a very basic maxim.. " never say never ( in this case footy ) "  Id agree that some things are beyond 'not-likely' to the point of "forget it" but then a lot in this game falls to the ...."well, let's just wait and see"

Should he go it's a very unique opportunity to upgrade some of our stocks. Chances are The winning suitor will pay whatever is required to win the deal. A bit like us and Lever

An interesting off season ahead wouldnt you think

Go Dees

[Redleg 40,815]

6 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Hogan is worth more than LEver, who cost us two first rounders.

So youre spot on.  And we can throw in Dean Kent .

 

Finally we get a realistic assessment.

I would want their first pick and the Neale pick and Brayshaw, with which we might get May for one of those picks.

Then the deal would be May, a top rated young player and Brayshaw. That is what a smart club would achieve.

Hogan cost us 2 top picks and we have stood by him, as he has developed through a lot of lost games through injury and illness and is now entering his best years and he is contracted. I want a great deal IF he wants to go, or forget it. The Dockers are desperate for a big fish to calm the members and he would be a whale.

[Redleg 40,815]

11 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Heres the current draft order.  Gold Coast and Freo hold picks 2 and 5.  I would want both for Hogan, and nothing less.

 

 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-16/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-picks-as-they-stand

It's not GC's pick it would be Lions' if they get Neale and give it to Freo.

After GC gets 3 for Lynch it would be 5 & 6 if that was the scenario.

I would want both and try to keep both and find a player and a later pick to satisfy GC for May.

Then we are in for some chance at exciting talent.  

Edited September 25, 2018 by Redleg

[beelzebub 23,313]

Now we go from Club/Player  Speak....to Talking Turkey !!

[Diamond_Jim 12,529]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Finally we get a realistic assessment.

I would want their first pick and the Neale pick and Brayshaw, with which we might get May for one of those picks.

Then the deal would be May, a top rated young player and Brayshaw. That is what a smart club would achieve.

Hogan cost us 2 top picks and we have stood by him, as he has developed through a lot of lost games through injury and illness and is now entering his best years and he is contracted. I want a great deal IF he wants to go, or forget it. The Dockers are desperate for a big fish to calm the members and he would be a whale.

so you'd want the equivalent of three early first rounders (Brayshaw was 2 IIRC).... wow that is a high asking price

[Redleg 40,815]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Now we go from Club/Player  Speak....to Talking Turkey !!

With cranberry sauce.

[Wells 11 5,377]

IF this is true and IF we trade Hogan for ONE first round draft pick this site is going to melt down. Yes he can hold us over a barrell and say he's leaving at the end of next year anyway I suppose....but there is just no way in hell he's not worth way more than a one top 10 pick.

Again IF this is all accurate does that put us back in the bracket to land Gaff? 

Edited September 25, 2018 by Wells 11

[Lucifers Hero 39,549]

Those who think we will play 'hard ball' need to think again.  We started off doing that with Lever (1st rnd + 2nd rnd picks) and then gave in.  And last week Jason Taylor said:  "If we target a player we think can help our list improve and it's an area of need; we believe in dealing fairly with the other clubs involved,".  So don't expect us to go all tough guy now.

Having said that I can't imagine we will give Jesse up for just May.

GCS have pick #17 so I could foresee Freo's pick #5 to GCS for May and pick #18, a pick we can make very good use of - gets us back into the first round and could get us the outside run we need or package it up for an even better first round pick. 

Edit: that is better than the Lever trade which was pick 2017 #10 and 2018 #15.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

myth? literally as soon as hogan went out we beat 4 top 8 teams in a row.  naive to think its coincidence. it also happened last season.

Sigh... I'll go through it yet again...

LITERALLY as soon as Hogan went out, our average score per game dropped for the season. It's not Naive. It's a fact. He's a superstar of the competition and we're not "better" without him, no matter what garbage footy media you're swallowing.

What's Naive is thinking that because Kingy has to write articles about potential trades, it suddenly makes sense to trade away arguably the best KPF in the game under 25.

Jesus I'm getting sick of going over this. He missed 2 H&A games and 2 super finals in which Weed played well, but didn't even come close to playing the kind of footy Hogan has played for... going on... 4 years now.

Don't believe everything you read Doc. We're not better with Hogan playing for someone else. And he hasn't been "found out"... He was playing injured since the bye, and on one leg still managed 2 100+ SC games, and 2 in the nineties before he had to call it a day. You want to see a player found out? Wait and see what happens when they lock down on Weed as he grows to superstardom.

[sisso 2,577]

Our club's idiotic if we are spooked into trading him when we could have stuck to our guns....we won't get his true value Steven May pffft

[beelzebub 23,313]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

With cranberry sauce.

well....yes

and a few trimmings !!

[What 18,810]

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

Having said that I can't imagine we will give Jesse up for just May.

 

Zero chance of that happening.

If May is involved in a Hogan trade, it will be to round out the deal.

[Redleg 40,815]

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

so you'd want the equivalent of three early first rounders (Brayshaw was 2 IIRC).... wow that is a high asking price

Yep it is but you have to try. Well Lever was 2 high picks at the time and Jesse is worth more as a key forward who can play in the midfield, than a sweeping defender.

Personally I want to keep him, but we are talking on the basis he wants to leave.

[Lucifers Hero 39,549]

2 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Zero chance of that happening.

If May is involved in a Hogan trade, it will be to round out the deal.

Please read or quote the paragraph that followed that line you selectively extracted from a very well reasoned post and realistic option for a trade!!

Edited September 25, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[beelzebub 23,313]

1 minute ago, sisso said:

Our club's idiotic if we are spooked into trading him when we could have stuck to our guns....we won't get his true value Steven May pffft

No one's been spooked. This sort of thing happens from a long way back. Dont get suckered in to believing  player/manager/club speak during a season.

The MFC will know EXACTLY what its doing

[What 18,810]

I love Jesse but he would go home with the blessing of all Demon supporters surely.  The bloke has been through some dark times in his personal life.

Cant help but get excited over the haul we would get in return for him.  Could set us up for 15 years.

[Redleg 40,815]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

well....yes

and a few trimmings !!

As long as we are not the ones stuffed, leave it to the turkey.

[Return to Glory 8,411]

We were belted down back on Saturday but, poor performances aside, I'm not sure David Dench and SOS combined could have stemmed the tide. I can't help but wonder that chasing May is simply a kneejerk reaction. Oscar McDonald is coming along and Petty will also come along quickly. We really lost the prelim because of lack of outside speed and West Coast players sweating on the ball moving from inside to outside. Petracca flicking the ball to space and an awaiting WC player was just one of a number of examples

To my mind, a Jaidyn Stephenson type is what we require. If Oskar Baker continues to track the way he was prior to injury, he also represents an injection of real pace and outside run. And if we were to receive two picks I'd also be looking at someone with the capacity to deliver the ball inside 50 with precision.

Perhaps I'm viewing things differently to the majority of posters in respect to this.