On 05/10/2018 at 10:29, CHF said:

What exactly is entailed in "a tour of their facilities"?

Walk in the door....

Shake hands....

Listen to the welcome speech/sales pitch....

Smile at the receptionist.....

Look at the  different rooms while the real estate salesman tells you what you are looking at.....

Shake hands with more smiling people....

Have a coffee and a chat about the decor.....

Smile at the receptionist on the way out ...

Shake hands.....

Out into the sunshine for a quick smoke.....

 

There has to be more to it than that.......

Haha was going to post something similar the other day. 

“Here are the weights... the dunnys... the ice baths...”

Like what does it actually mean?

The epic meltdown in the proceeding few pages based entirely on the events in one poster's imagination has really spiced this thread up.

  On 04/10/2018 at 23:41, Clint Bizkit said:

An in-form Garlett is the exact player we need.

Barely fired a shot all year (even when he had a chance and knew we were a firm likelihood at finals) and seemed almost satisfied to avoid stepping up.  Instead satisfied to play out the remainder of season in the McGoos and allow others playing a similar role (Hannan & Spargo) to get a guernsey.

Had a few chances this year and not getting any younger / faster.  If we happily trade the likes of Vanders without a fight and instead hang on to the likes of Jeffy we have failed badly this draft.

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by Rusty Nails

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:36, Cards13 said:

Haha was going to post something similar the other day. 

“Here are the weights... the dunnys... the ice baths...”

Like what does it actually mean?

I've always thought it was exactly that. It seemed to make sense back in the days when some clubs had state of the art training centres and others trained at the Junction Oval (cough), but now? Oh wow, you've got weights in your gym that aren't from the 1970s, and plaster board with no rat holes and... wait,  what's this? A rowing machine?! Oh my God, sign me up now!

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:42, Nasher said:

The epic meltdown in the proceeding few pages based entirely on the events in one poster's imagination has really spiced this thread up.

Gotta keep this place interesting 

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:14, Leoncelli_36 said:

So we give up the momentum of this year, lose 11 players , bring in three and then hope we stay afloat to have a tilt at the 2019 draft and then open the window again in 2020. Is that really what you suggesting ? 

We can use Freo 2019 first round pick when GWS match our offer for josh kelly. Think in terms of the pick as a tradeable assett ie think bigger. We still challenge for a flag next year. 2020 with Kelly, we challenge for a dynasty 

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by johndemonic

This thread has become one of those bad save your marriage retreat weekends where someone suggests an activity to do to bring people together and everyone loses the plot. 

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:53, layzie said:

This thread has become one of those bad save your marriage retreat weekends where someone suggests an activity to do to bring people together and everyone loses the plot. 

Haha. It's been an intense week. Haven't even made it to the official trade period yet. Reminds me of that clip from the Olympics a few years ago, with an Irish commentator with no knowledge of sailing calling a sailing event, with the video ending with him realising that it was just the pre-race setting up and then the actual race begins.

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:52, johndemonic said:

We can use Freo 2019 first round pick when GWS match our offer for josh kelly. Think in terms of the pick as a tradeable assett ie think bigger

Wait so I am the one worrying about hypotheticals that may not happen, and here we have someone predicting that Kelly is a certainty to leave and we are in the box seat coz we got a first rounder for next year. 

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:00, Leoncelli_36 said:

Wait so I am the one worrying about hypotheticals that may not happen, and here we have someone predicting that Kelly is a certainty to leave and we are in the box seat coz we got a first rounder for next year. 

I said we CAN use it on Kelly, not that WE WILL. We can also use it on ANY ELITE STAR this year or next ie its an assett. Far out, reading comprehension. 

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by johndemonic

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:00, Leoncelli_36 said:

Wait so I am the one worrying about hypotheticals that may not happen, and here we have someone predicting that Kelly is a certainty to leave and we are in the box seat coz we got a first rounder for next year. 

What did you do?

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:00, Nasher said:

Reminds me of that clip from the Olympics a few years ago, with an Irish commentator with no knowledge of sailing calling a sailing event, with the video ending with him realising that it was just the pre-race setting up and then the actual race begins.

If you're able to post a link to this it would be great viewing!

PS - just saw it on youtube, haha what a muppet.

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by Demon Disciple

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:21, Demon Disciple said:

If you're able to post a link to this it would be great viewing!

PS - just saw it on youtube, haha what a muppet.

Yeah I just found it too. Every bit as good as I thought it would be!

 

  On 05/10/2018 at 08:05, Little Goffy said:

It is understandable that Freo would want to have a presence at the top of this draft, just to sell hope and paint the picture that a rebuild is actually happening.

I've muttered it before but I'm becoming more confident about it, I think Freo's 2019 first pick (plus this year's 5ish) makes sense as a fair way to flip a coin on whether it is two very high picks for Hogan or one very high and one fairly high.

And I like the idea of letting Jason Taylor have at least some shot in the first half of the draft each year.

This could get dizzy - because we 'May' end up trading our own 2019 first pick while retaining the one Freo gives us.

Anyway, I think it has been 500 posts on this htread since I last contributed so I figured I'd just throw some randomness in to celebrate how useful the thread has been.

The most sensible idea yet. The only trouble with that is GC are falling apart and there is a bidding war for May. Our 2019 first round pick would be overs, but GC would ask for Fremantles 2019 first round pick, and based on our prior drafting history we'd probably give them both. I think we should keep clear of May as he is being massively overrated at present. He is barely worth a second round pick to my eye. I think if we are going to stuff around with the likes of Steven May then we should've just kept Pederson on our list, as there is not much difference in the two.

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:28, Grapeviney said:

Panicking about something that hasn’t happened yet and may not happen at all seems pretty foolish to me.

This thread just represents the hysterical nature of demonland it is why i always say to family and friends reading demonland is akin to being trapped on public transport with hysterical 13 year old schoolgirls.

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by drysdale demon

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:10, Leoncelli_36 said:

My point exactly. We are not going for a five year plan. Taking a kid that can come in next year and impact is fine, waiting a year to draft a kid that may take 2 or three years to develop is stupid. Pure and simple. Hence my surprise at those suggesting that we just take next years first rounder. We need a pacey mid. Have needed this for three years. That is the priority. Anyone, I’m done . I’ve had a Xanax and a bottle of scotch, as suggested and now just look forward to Monday. I hope the deals are done swiftly.

No, actually. The priority is a big nasty fullback who can contain the Josh Kennedys and Buddy Franklins of this world. His name is Steven May and the club has met with him twice. But in all your hysterical recent commentary you keep choosing to ignore this fact.

A quality pacy mid or two would be nice but if we have to wait until next year to add this element to our list so be it. Not sure if you’re onto it but we do presently have a pretty damned decent midfield. 

Go to the 2019 draft with two early picks (say 5 & 16) and we have a strong hand to pursue a range of attractive options. Josh Kelly won’t be the only show in town. 

Your problem is that you can’t see past the end of your nose with your “I want everything and I want it now” attitude. As a rule that’s not how smart deals get done.

If you want to stretch success out over a dynasty, you make decisions with the occasional glance toward the future.

Pick 5 now and a top 1-8 pick in 2019 is good deal for Hogan. Only the most one-eyed MFC fan would not agree.

 

 

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by EnterTheDragon

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:49, KingDingAling said:

The most sensible idea yet. The only trouble with that is GC are falling apart and there is a bidding war for May. Our 2019 first round pick would be overs, but GC would ask for Fremantles 2019 first round pick, and based on our prior drafting history we'd probably give them both. I think we should keep clear of May as he is being massively overrated at present. He is barely worth a second round pick to my eye. I think if we are going to stuff around with the likes of Steven May then we should've just kept Pederson on our list, as there is not much difference in the two.

Pretty obvious you dont watch much of GC if you think May is similar to Pederson. Theres no way GC would accept a 2019 first round pick as they would get a higher pick if they let him go for free agency. They only way a deal would be completed is if they got a high draft pick this year.

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:27, whelan45 said:

My thoughts:

- J Kennedy will be 32 after next season, meaning WC might come real hard for Hogan next year. This might add to Freo wanting it done this year when they've got their best hand. They may not get a better chance. We need to demand the farm in return this year and not waver

- Talk of May fetching a high compo pick next year as a free agent if GC dont trade this year. I think there is a lot of uncertainty around this. Firstly he'll be 28 next year. Secondly this would mean GC don't sign any free agents themselves, as this would dilute the value of the compo pick. I think they snap up a good offer this year, certainly wouldnt offer any more than pick 5/6 (Im not convinced he's even worth that)

 

I think May's value, at 28Yrs age, is around P10 - 13... add KK onto this and IMO, P6 comes close.  But we could do the KK deal separately to Mays.

I want the May deal done this year... even if Jesse stays, for 2019.  who Knows, what 2019 brings... what if TMc got hurt next year?

Either way we need to draft a key tall forward this year, to start to develop understudy

I want May, some speed in, some class in, and some kids.

  On 05/10/2018 at 11:18, adonski said:

Layzie joke 

Adonski joke

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:52, drysdale demon said:

akin to being trapped on public transport with hysterical 13 year old schoolgirls.

or hysterical 13 year old schoolboys.

FMD.

  On 05/10/2018 at 12:52, drysdale demon said:

This thread just represents the hysterical nature of demonland it is why i always say to family and friends reading demonland is akin to being trapped on public transport with hysterical 13 year old schoolgirls.

Your fantasies are sounding strangely similar to those of @Bitter but optimistic

Edited October 5, 20186 yr by Moonshadow

  On 05/10/2018 at 13:02, bing181 said:

or hysterical 13 year old schoolboys.

FMD.

does it matter

  On 05/10/2018 at 13:02, Moonshadow said:

Your fantasies are sounding strangely similar to those of @Bitter but optimistic

 nothing to do with fantasies just factual

  On 05/10/2018 at 13:00, DV8 said:

I think May's value, at 28Yrs age, is around P10 - 13... add KK onto this and IMO, P6 comes close.  But we could do the KK deal separately to Mays.

I want the May deal done this year... even if Jesse stays, for 2019.  who Knows, what 2019 brings... what if TMc got hurt next year?

Either way we need to draft a key tall forward this year, to start to develop understudy

I want May, some speed in, some class in, and some kids.

The smart clubs tend to knock off bits and pieces trades as soon as practical so they can move on to the next deal.

For that reason I expect the KK trade not get mixed in with May simply to make it cleaner given the sequence of events that would need to occur for May to be a possibility (Brisbane and Freo agree on Neale, Melbourne and Freo agree on Hogan, Melbourne and GC agree on May including KK).

All three of those planks have risk of falling through or taking a bit of posturing time so you wouldn’t want to rely on that happening to land KK.

Melbourne and GC have some reasonable trading history and I suspect goodwill so I wouldn’t be surprised if Melbourne can get KK for unders as a stand alone early based on that.