Farewell Jesse Hogan

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

40 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

Look at what Tony Sheahan just Tweeted:

New Deal Tabled; @melbournefc Jesse Hogan traded to the @GoldCoastSUNS in exchange for the Suns’ Steven May & Kade Kolodjashnij.

@freodockers cuteness towards this trade may cost them dearly!

Would want a pick too

[djr 1,605]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Get the feeling that the AFL might get involved with the amount of deals being stuck and players in limbo.

It is becoming a farce and a bad look for the AFL.

Agree. The AFL should introduce a minimum draft pick requirement based on the contract $$ amount and length of contract. So if Freo is  offering Jessie $1.2m/yr over 4 years then that equates to a certain number of points that is converted into draft picks / players. Freo has to offer the minimum unless Melb agrees to something lower (in the case that Melb just want to offload Jessie at any price). 

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2 minutes ago, djr said:

Agree. The AFL should introduce a minimum draft pick requirement based on the contract $$ amount and length of contract. So if Freo is  offering Jessie $1.2m/yr over 4 years then that equates to a certain number of points that is converted into draft picks / players. Freo has to offer the minimum unless Melb agrees to something lower (in the case that Melb just want to offload Jessie at any price). 

Don’t agree at all but I do think the AFL need to give freo a clip around the ears because four young men are currently in limbo due to their unwillingness to deal fairly with clubs. They chase these guys for years, finally convince them and then refuse to come to the party at all trade wise 

it’s insulting and disrespectful and will hurt them badly in the long run. So far there is no way to judge bells appointment but a failure 

[GCDee 3,200]

48 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

Look at what Tony Sheahan just Tweeted:

New Deal Tabled; @melbournefc Jesse Hogan traded to the @GoldCoastSUNS in exchange for the Suns’ Steven May & Kade Kolodjashnij.

@freodockers cuteness towards this trade may cost them dearly!

Pretty rough deal for us here... 

Maybe GC can trade pick 3 to the crows for two later first rounds.

Package may, late first (say 13) & KK for Hogan & maybe a later pick 

[Micah 59]

My guess is GC were set and eager to deal with us after Hogan stuff went through. 

Freo stuffing us around in turn stuffs GC around too.

This "offer" is GC's way to help us pressure freo

 

 

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17 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

It’s going to be interesting for Hogan next season and how he performs as he clearly doesn’t want to stay. 

And we as supporters also know he isn’t committed to a the MFC. 

Mite going to be interesting to see how it plays out. 

Well I believe it has got to the stage that if what you are insinuating is true he can play FF at Casey. I think he is better than that though so he will play his best for us. Freo stance may have helped him into staying at least until 2021.

[Demonland 73,881]

53 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

Look at what Tony Sheahan just Tweeted:

New Deal Tabled; @melbournefc Jesse Hogan traded to the @GoldCoastSUNS in exchange for the Suns’ Steven May & Kade Kolodjashnij.

@freodockers cuteness towards this trade may cost them dearly!

This can't be real. 

[DeeZee 7,463]

Liam Pickering just said that all 3 players definitely want to leave.

He said the deal will get done.

Neale to Brisbane

Hogan to Freo

 pick 5 to Suns 

May and second round pick to Melbourne 

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[GCDee 3,200]

2 minutes ago, Micah said:

My guess is GC were set and eager to deal with us after Hogan stuff went through. 

Freo stuffing us around in turn stuffs GC around too.

This "offer" is GC's way to help us pressure freo

 

 

Just imagine the size of the contract GC could offer him with May, Lynch & KK (who was on a  very decent contract) off their books? 

No doubt the AFL will kick in the 500k ambassador allowance to go with it.

1.5 mil plus.

[Demonland 73,881]

If true we must really want May/really not want Jesse/Jesse really not want us/really want to [censored] with Freo. 

[old55 23,848]

3 minutes ago, Micah said:

My guess is GC were set and eager to deal with us after Hogan stuff went through. 

Freo stuffing us around in turn stuffs GC around too.

This "offer" is GC's way to help us pressure freo

 

 

GC would be rapt with this deal as would MFC if there was a sweetener involved.  The only sticking point would be Hogan's willingness - a pretty major sticking point I imagine.  Still GC could offer a Buddy style $11m over 9 years deal that may entice.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, DeeZee said:

Liam Pickering just said that all 3 players definitely want to leave.

He said the deal will get done.

Neale to Brisbane

Hogan to Freo

 pick 5 to Suns 

May and second round pick to Melbourne 

Does Pickering manage any of those players? 

[Demonland 73,881]

 

[Sydee 4,665]

Just now, Patches O’houlihan said:

Don’t agree at all but I do think the AFL need to give freo a clip around the ears because four young men are currently in limbo due to their unwillingness to deal fairly with clubs. They chase these guys for years, finally convince them and then refuse to come to the party at all trade wise 

it’s insulting and disrespectful and will hurt them badly in the long run. So far there is no way to judge bells appointment but a failure 

If their behaviour hurts them as a club long term I say great - ship it in ! 

Anything that makes other teams less attractive than the MFC is ok by me 

These young men you talk about are no different to any other people in business ( yes it’s a business not just a sport ) they make their own bed by entertaining interest from other clubs - they don’t even have to negotiate their own contracts they have managers to do all that for them.

They don’t even have to make any public statements about what their real intentions are. They don’t need the AFL to intervene their managers are paid good money to protect and advance their individual cause. 

In the case of JH I support him 100% whilst he is a MFC player - when and if he says he’s not then my support is withdrawn - simple 

[DeeZee 7,463]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

Does Pickering manage any of those players? 

No but you’d think he would know the intentions of players

[deespicable me 1,580]

Long time reader first time poster on this subject and most every twist and opinion has been canvassed.

My only point I would like to add to the discussion is we should never lose sight of the fact as to how good Hogan may yet become.

I think this trade is short sighted. Looking to build a side to win the flag in 2019. And that is fair enough. But if WC get Kelly from Geelong they will be the team to beat. And if we don't win the 2019 flag we could rue our decision to trade out Hogan.

Remember he hasn't yet committed to the whole idea of playing professional football. If he does when he turns 26 he will be a superstar. We are being short-sighted.

I really hope he stays.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

3 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Liam Pickering just said that all 3 players definitely want to leave.

He said the deal will get done.

Neale to Brisbane

Hogan to Freo

 pick 5 to Suns 

May and second round pick to Melbourne 

Unfortunately, Mad Dog Peter Bell has more say than Pickers

[ignition. 1,478]

Can someone make a few internet memes (to share on the social media sites)?

Freo chase Hogan for the best part of four years to only pull out when asked for two first round picks (e.g. 5 and 11).

Ironically they wanted nothing less than Pick 2 for Lachy Weller last year, who at best is worth an early second round pick.

 

[old dee 24,028]

5 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

Long time reader first time poster on this subject and most every twist and opinion has been canvassed.

My only point I would like to add to the discussion is we should never lose sight of the fact as to how good Hogan may yet become.

I think this trade is short sighted. Looking to build a side to win the flag in 2019. And that is fair enough. But if WC get Kelly from Geelong they will be the team to beat. And if we don't win the 2019 flag we could rue our decision to trade out Hogan.

Remember he hasn't yet committed to the whole idea of playing professional football. If he does when he turns 26 he will be a superstar. We are being short-sighted.

I really hope he stays.

Have you ever considered that we may not know all the info on Hogan?

Edited October 13, 2018 by old dee

[Redleg 42,051]

I get the feeling a number of clubs and managers are not going to forget Freo’s behaviour in this trade period.

[bluey 1,118]

AFL trade mediations over deadlocked negotiations have occurred at least twice before, Ryder, Essendon-Port, and Warnock, Carlton-Freo.

 

[Sydee 4,665]

6 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Liam Pickering just said that all 3 players definitely want to leave.

He said the deal will get done.

Neale to Brisbane

Hogan to Freo

 pick 5 to Suns 

May and second round pick to Melbourne 

I really don’t get the love for May the only reason we would entertain this deal is if we have been told categorically by Jesse he’s gone as soon as he can and does not want to be MFC player

What effectively constitutes a swap May for Hogan and a second round pick is nuts  

As far as KK is concerned I took the chance to watch the R21 game vs Suns last night and all I can say is for him to get a game he needs to HTFU big time 

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1 minute ago, ignition. said:

Can someone make a few internet memes (to share on the social media sites)?

Freo chase Hogan for the best part of four years to only pull out when asked for two first round picks (e.g. 5 and 11).

Ironically they wanted nothing less than Pick 2 for Lachy Weller last year, who at best is worth an early second round pick.

 

[old dee 24,028]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

I get the feeling a number of clubs and managers are not going to forget Freo’s behaviour in this trade period.

They will last as long as the next deal that suits them Mr Leg. Self interest is the chief motivator of AFL clubs.