Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Demons1858 1,760]

4 minutes ago, DV8 said:

What chance Saints would be interested in Jesse?  They have not been the same since Riewoldt finished.

Who are all the clubs that need a CHF...  and have the wherewithall ?

All clubs would be interested in a premier forward I think but Jesse will only go interstate to WA. Don't rule out West Coast either

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1 minute ago, Demons1858 said:

All clubs would be interested in a premier forward I think but Jesse will only go interstate to WA. Don't rule out West Coast either

No chance he is going to the Eagles 

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

I can't say I'm that fussed. If he goes we will do well out of it. If he stays we will do well out of it. I have (for the first time in a very long time) faith in the people running the club.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

33 minutes ago, Mondê said:

They talk a big game for a club in crisis

The May thing is a bit like us with Hogan. Have a bloke who doesn't want to be there, hanging around for a year, poisoning the atmosphere. Then get less back for him in 12 months than you can now.

Or, cauterise the wound now and get in someone who's 100% committed.

Best value for him is right now, so, trade him right now. Why sit around for a year hoping that something vaguely nice might happen.

 

16 minutes ago, Mondê said:

Happy to buy back in to the first round of the draft, it's a super crop this year.

It's a super crop every year, if you have good list managers and talent spotters.

Otherwise you'll manage to pick out the Toumpases and Mortons no matter what riches are on offer.

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5 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

No chance he is going to the Eagles 

Why not?

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7 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

If they finish last the compo pick might be pick 2.. 

If they win the flag, that might be pick 19 or 20.

They also don’t have the luxury of time. If Gold Coast are forced to turn over stars for early picks, they’ll want to get them in now, get a young group together with the right support around them (guys like Horlin-Smith, not Jared Brennan).

They are desperate to break the cycle, not continue it.

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6 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

No chance he is going to the Eagles 

I agree. Jay Clarke was stating this morning that the Eagles would be interested. Of course they would. But what do they have to trade? Not much.

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3 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Why not?

Because they already have Darling and Kennedy.

 

Not to mention they wont have the trade currency or cap space.

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4 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

If they win the flag, that might be pick 19 or 20.

They also don’t have the luxury of time. If Gold Coast are forced to turn over stars for early picks, they’ll want to get them in now, get a young group together with the right support around them (guys like Horlin-Smith, not Jared Brennan).

They are desperate to break the cycle, not continue it.

I agree and they have put it out there they don’t want the will he won’t be circus next year. I personally think a pick around 9-10 for may would be a good outcome 

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4 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

I agree. Jay Clarke was stating this morning that the Eagles would be interested. Of course they would. But what do they have to trade? Not much.

They have as much to trade as anyone does, my darling 'GLG'. a list full.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Oh my darling
Oh my darling
Oh my darling GLG
Jess is lost and gone forver
Oh my darling GLC

[Ugottobekidding 1,186]

If freo trade neele for brisbane brisbanes first pick, they should give us that one and their first pick. The club should say take it or leave it... play hardball... or shop him elsewhere.

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9 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

The May thing is a bit like us with Hogan. Have a bloke who doesn't want to be there, hanging around for a year, poisoning the atmosphere. Then get less back for him in 12 months than you can now.

Or, cauterise the wound now and get in someone who's 100% committed.

Best value for him is right now, so, trade him right now. Why sit around for a year hoping that something vaguely nice might happen.

 

It's a super crop every year, if you have good list managers and talent spotters.

Otherwise you'll manage to pick out the Toumpases and Mortons no matter what riches are on offer.

I agree with your sentiment about talent managers, however it really is a strong field this year. It's been projected from a long way out, as far as 2016. Last season the 17 year old players were the ones dominating the U18 carnival. The likes of Rankine, Lukosius, Smith, Walsh, the King brothers...the list goes on.

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As we appear to be going round in circles, I’d like to ask a more pressing question.

At what point in time would it be tactful to delete Jesse from our DL banner and who do we replace him with? Not sure when, but my vote would be Gus.

[Demons1858 1,760]

13 minutes ago, DSP said:

Because they already have Darling and Kennedy.

 

Not to mention they wont have the trade currency or cap space.

Not true. Gaff and Lycett are moving on so they have heaps of cap space. West coast expressed interest in him last time rumours were around, even with Darling and Kennedy on their books. With Kennedy 32 next year and injury prone, they need another forward and I'm sure they would love to have the 3 of them running around next season

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3 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

If freo trade neele for brisbane brisbanes first pick, they should give us that one and their first pick. The club should say take it or leave it... play hardball... or shop him elsewhere.

Absolutely right. Nothing like a bit of competition to ratchet up the urgency in the sales process.

I reckon GCS might enjoy a trade of May + players or May + picks for Hogan. And good surf up there in SE Qld.

[DSP 1,488]

2 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Not true. Gaff and Lycett are moving on so they have heaps of cap space. West coast expressed interest in him last time rumours were around, even with Darling and Kennedy on their books. With Kennedy 32 next year and injury prone, they need another forward and I'm sure they would love to have the 3 of them running around next season

Possibly.

Doesnt change the fact they dont have the trade $$$. Picks 20 and 36 at the moment.

 

[Demons1858 1,760]

4 minutes ago, DSP said:

Possibly.

Doesnt change the fact they dont have the trade $$$. Picks 20 and 36 at the moment.

 

Very true

Edited October 1, 2018 by Demons1858

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53 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm with you on this mate, before he signed his contract extension i made a comment on gere that eventually he will go back to Perth. When that would happen i wouldn't know. I got shouted down by someone ( who i wont name ) on here who thinks his [censored] don't stink, and made out that he was invested in this footy club....

Anywhere from a personal point of view theres just been too much noise on Hogan come this time of the year ever year. When theres smoke there's fire and i think his time is up with us.

As much as i can't stand him, i look at someone like Alex Neale Bullen who's from SA, who shows passion and is heavily invested in this club by taking up a leadership role up forward. Bleeds and loves the footy club.

I have never once had that feeling with Hogan.

To be fair, Hogan has never had a real clean run at it. Injury, tragedy, followed by further injury and more tragedy. 

Also I think people are trying to make too much of the argument that he wasn’t ‘invested’ enough in the club purely because his body language isn’t sufficiently positive for them. He’s an individual and a very talented one at that. 

For a bloke who was whisked 3500 kms away from his family and mates when only 17 years old to a basket case of football club and managed to eek out a career that has so far yielded a rising star award, multiple 40+ goals seasons amongst huge challenges, I think it’s a massive credit to him. 

I understand this method of coming to terms with his departure is some type of coping mechanism for many on here but let’s not forget everything he’s been through and still managed to achieve for our club. 

 

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1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

maybe because some were looking over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

and some  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Maybe some just dont believe a bloody word spoken by clubs or players... Id be one of those btw

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1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Strange how those who got their panties in a twist when others couldn't understand why they would be talking trades about a player who had, at the time, given no indication of wanting out, are now the ones not talking about the topic at all but are looking for attention and some sort of pat on the back. 

Funny, that. 

Can you now give me a quote directly from Hogan, Goodwin or the club where they state he 'wants out' as opposed to reported that "it is believed"? Or have you crossed over into the dark arts of speculation and rumour Wise? If so, welcome aboard. What took you so long? ?

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37 minutes ago, McQueen said:

To be fair, Hogan has never had a real clean run at it. Injury, tragedy, followed by further injury and more tragedy. 

Also I think people are trying to make too much of the argument that he wasn’t ‘invested’ enough in the club purely because his body language isn’t sufficiently positive for them. He’s an individual and a very talented one at that. 

For a bloke who was whisked 3500 kms away from his family and mates when only 17 years old to a basket case of football club and managed to eek out a career that has so far yielded a rising star award, multiple 40+ goals seasons amongst huge challenges, I think it’s a massive credit to him. 

I understand this method of coming to terms with his departure is some type of coping mechanism for many on here but let’s not forget everything he’s been through and still managed to achieve for our club. 

 

I'm somewhere between you and Dazzle. I accept that it takes all types and Jesse is the polar opposite of a Petracca. He's an introvert, rather than extrovert, but I also align with the 'feeling' that many seem to be expressing here.

Yeah, it may seem like the easy thing to say now that he's going, but it is something many of us have either felt before or expressed on Demonland in one form or another over the journey.

I don't wish Jesse any ill will, but I don't want any other team compromising my club's potential success. Where that sits, I don't know, but as long as we improve our list, it's potentially a win-win for all involved.

Edited October 1, 2018 by A F

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Can you now give me a quote directly from Hogan, Goodwin or the club where they state he 'wants out' as opposed to reported that "it is believed"? Or have you crossed over into the dark arts of speculation and rumour Wise? If so, welcome aboard. What took you so long? ?

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1 hour ago, Richard Tionary said:

I'm excited to see what we can do with the haul we receive. I'm surprisingly not that upset with Hogan leaving.For what it's worth Sam McClure has said that Gold Coast won't accept anything but overs for May this season, and will happily let him walk in FA next year and take the compo pick. Surely a top 10 pick for him and KK would be overs? 

Yeah Nah.  This from the club that was emphatically not going to trade GAJ and hold him to his contract.  It's a millstone around their neck carrying a player they know won't be there the following season.  It's a distraction they need to do without.  Their tough talk is just that, they will get a good pick for May and they'll do it this year.  We're in the box seat compared to the likes of Collingwood and Hawthorn who don't look likely to be able to gazump us - providing May wants to play for the Dees.

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Sad about this and I recognize he will be a big loss.

He is a proven forward. The Weed has put in some decent cameos but he isn't on Jesse's level (yet).

However, we need to play the hand we have been dealt rather than the one we would like. If he wants out, then we get what we can for him.