Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Mickey 4,777]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Thanks. The only talk over here is picks 4 and 5 to Melbourne for Hogan. 

Considering their lack of low picks (although they’ll also receive 22 for Neale), it makes sense given their position Fremantle May conduct the above trade with Port. 

Yeah, it means they keep an early first rounder, 9 or 10 depending on what they trade to us. I would love 4 and 5 but wouldn't be surprised if we got 5 and 10 or even 9 and 10.

[jumbo returns 6,745]

Hope he stays

[corowa 216]

4 hours ago, Pipefitter said:

I’m sad to see him go because I love him as a player, but if he was always going home at some stage, he’s doing us a massive favour by doing it now as the club is strong enough now to not fall apart from this and he’s at peak value. We could potentially end up with 3 new best 22 players out of this. 

Or none!

We need top players now, not in 4 years time when draft picks might or might not have come good.

[jnrmac 20,375]

2 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

I’m sorry mate, but he’s gone. Beyond the point of no return.

Neither club nor the player has said a thing but the media frenzy has you saying we are past the point of no return? Errr OK...

[sue 9,277]

Don't see any point for us in draft picks unless we trade them for someone who can aid the team in the next 4 years.

As I posted elsewhere, assuming Sam Weed will develop into a star based on one good outing in a final is 'courageous'.   

[beelzebub 23,392]

17 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Neither club nor the player has said a thing but the media frenzy has you saying we are past the point of no return? Errr OK...

its been mooted , not without reason that if he were staying...two simple words would suffice:  "I'm staying!!"

crickets !!!!!!!!!!!

[Mach5 4,768]

15 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Neither club nor the player has said a thing but the media frenzy has you saying we are past the point of no return? Errr OK...

What part are you having trouble with? I couldn’t care less what has been said in the media. 

Consider it my educated opinion then.

[Return to Glory 8,518]

I think I'm in the minority. Assuming we solve a need through May and KK with a late 1st round draft pick, I'm not against picking up a kid early within the first round.

This draft is supposedly significantly stronger than that of 2017. Rayner, Brayshaw, Paddy Dow, Adam Cerra, Jaidyn Stephenson (Rising Star) and Davies - Uniake were the first six of this year.

 

 

[grazman 7,539]

42 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

Talk of Freo trading 4 or 5 to port for 9 and 10. Then ontrading the 10 to us with the remaining low pick for Jesse. 

 

Why wouldn't we do that deal with Port ourselves?  I'd be disappointed if the club wasn't on top of this and demanding that it's Freo's and Brisbane's first picks or no deal until 2019; unless they want to trade us pick 5 and Cerra. 

Freo can't have their cake and eat it too, 4 and 5 is closer to Hogan's worth than say 5 and 10 (Port will probably only do that deal if it can be Pick 4 to get one of the SA lads).  That deal sounds more like a fan trade than a realistic club option.

Edited September 30, 2018 by grazman

[jumbo returns 6,745]

Every year we are having a 'super draft'

More bs

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

On 9/29/2018 at 1:23 PM, ManDee said:

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

What part are you having trouble with? I couldn’t care less what has been said in the media. 

Consider it my educated opinion then.

Hogan is gone. You are spot on. No chance he plays at Melbourne next year. He is headed back to Perth. Be interested to see if he gives a farewell speech at the BnF tomorrow. Last year at the BNf he could barely string a sentence together. 

[Return to Glory 8,518]

Just now, jumbo returns said:

Every year we are having a 'super draft'

More bs

Yeah probably JR. Think this may actually be it though. Unless it's the year after.

[beelzebub 23,392]

2 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

I’m sorry mate, but he’s gone. Beyond the point of no return.

 

[Mickey 4,777]

1 minute ago, grazman said:

Why wouldn't we do that deal with Port ourselves.  Surely Freo can't have their cake and eat it too, 4 and 5 is closer to Hogan's worth than say 5 and 10 (Port will probably only do that deal if it can be Pick 4 to get one of the SA lads).  That deal sounds more like a fan trade than a realistic club option.

We might, if we get 4 and 5. But this way, Freo keep a top 10 pick, and still have 2 to trade for Hogan. Makes sense for them, but means we get less 

[sue 9,277]

1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

Every year we are having a 'super draft'

More bs

And even if it is 'super', all an early pick does is decrease the probability that the player will be a dud.

[grazman 7,539]

1 minute ago, Good Lord George said:

We might, if we get 4 and 5. But this way, Freo keep a top 10 pick, and still have 2 to trade for Hogan. Makes sense for them, but means we get less 

Yes, but we don't have to accept it.

[Return to Glory 8,518]

2 minutes ago, grazman said:

Yes, but we don't have to accept it.

Absolutely agree. Surely we hold the strongest hand here.

[Lucifers Hero 40,716]

21 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Hogan is gone. You are spot on. No chance he plays at Melbourne next year. He is headed back to Perth. Be interested to see if he gives a farewell speech at the BnF tomorrow. Last year at the BNf he could barely string a sentence together. 

Presumably he would give a speech only if he featured in the awards.  A very very outside chance of 5th in the Bluey so unlikely to hear from him.

Edited September 30, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[McQueen 17,867]

10 pages to catch up. 

None the wiser really but happy to see @ManDee and @Dappa Dan eventually sorted their [censored] out. 

[Redleg 42,156]

42 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Every year we are having a 'super draft'

More bs

It is a super draft if you draft very well.

[MurDoc516 1,529]

I can't believe people are still against the idea of drafting a top 10 pick this year. The Rising Star was in a GF yesterday. Age means nothing, Talent is everything. We might not have a player out there that's better than what we got, so why not use it in the draft.

Also i'm fine with May coming in but i am concerned with his attitude and i think he see's the Suns salary cap issue as weapon to get out and get a big pay day in Victoria. 650k max, he shouldn't be on what Hogan and Lever are currently on otherwise guys like Oliver, Brayshaw, Gawn, Viney and Trac will all start wondering why Lewis is telling them to take unders when the club bring in talent and pays them overs at their expense.

Still i'm on board with anything that helps us land J.Kelly and i'd think the rest of squad would see him as someone worth a million.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It is a super draft if you draft very well.

Every draft's a superdraft with Taylor. That's the one silver lining in this. We might get a few juicy picks as extras... so many players leaving. That's one thing I'm excited about. I felt like our depth and overall list the last few years was outstanding, but after looking at the Pies this year, I feel like we do actually have some pretty average dead wood lying around the place. 6 fresh new names, regardless of where he picks them, would be just the thing to cheer us up.

27 minutes ago, McQueen said:

10 pages to catch up. 

None the wiser really but happy to see @ManDee and @Dappa Dan eventually sorted their [censored] out. 

Don't you just ignore chat's not involving you? I know I do.

[McQueen 17,867]

9 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Every draft's a superdraft with Taylor. That's the one silver lining in this. We might get a few juicy picks as extras... so many players leaving. That's one thing I'm excited about. I felt like our depth and overall list the last few years was outstanding, but after looking at the Pies this year, I feel like we do actually have some pretty average dead wood lying around the place. 6 fresh new names, regardless of where he picks them, would be just the thing to cheer us up.

Don't you just ignore chat's not involving you? I know I do.

After the first couple of interactions I didn’t bother to read too much of the content but generally I do read most posters contributions on here. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Gut feel says Freo are going to try and throw 9 & 10 at us for Hogan while keeping pick 5 for themselves at the pointy end of this draft. 

Our position should be “nah sorry we will be having picks 5 & 9 if you want your gun key forward. Take it or leave it. Happy to keep him for another year and then deal with West Coast at the end of 2018 for Jesse’s services.”

It may only be a five pick difference we’ll hold out for, but in this draft that could well be the difference between adding a good player and a genuine star to our list. 

Picks 5 & 9. 

You initiated this Freo.

You have close to the worst forward line in the league and a coach and board under pressure.

You want Hogan that desperately there’s a price to pay. Or no dice!

 

Edited September 30, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

16 minutes ago, McQueen said:

After the first couple of interactions I didn’t bother to read too much of the content but generally I do read most posters contributions on here. 

Interesting. I've got a half a dozen posters I stick with. And obviously come here for first news and rumours... but leave it at that.