Goody Presser (16/8)

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“Goodwin on Hogan: It had nothing to do with training loads. Hoges’ injury was the result of a specific incident during the game.”

If memory serves correctly, that’s what happened with Mitch Clark’s first fracture.  In a marking contest near quarter time against GWS.

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I don't think having the Twitterist posting snippets live helps him.

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I liked Goody's presser today. Although his game day coaching hasn't been great, I feel he is getting better at being more dynamic and identifying issues as they happen. It's only his second year with with the reigns after all. When we lose as many games as we have this year by a couple of kicks, it's really just up to the players at that point. We're closer than ever before, and I'm backing Goody in as he seems to have the respect and buy-in from the playing group. That's one of the most important aspects of being the head coach in my opinion, the rest can and will improve in time. 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Smokey

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I’m probably naive but I liked his positivity which hopefully will  filter through to the playing group. Despite Hogan’s absence I think it will be our strongest unit for a while. We just might be a sneaky chance.

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36 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I liked Goody's presser today. Although his game day coaching hasn't been great, I feel he is getting better at being more dynamic and identifying issues as they happen. It's only his second year with with the reigns after all. When we lose as many games as we have this year by a couple of kicks, it's really just up to the players at that point. We're closer than ever before, and I'm backing Goody in as he seems to have the respect and buy-in from the playing group. That's one of the most important aspects of being the head coach in my opinion, the rest can and will improve in time. 

Only thing I'll say is he is out coached easily. And this isn't a go at you btw.

We should have beaten STK by 10 goals, he was out coached and they could smell it.

We should have beaten SYD by 5 goals according to many on here, he didn't change the plan mid game.

PORT we had +30 i50's but he continued to send the same message out.

GEEL both games got runs ons and he didn't stop it, OMAC on Hawkins (that's not players fault)

I see what you're saying, but those games have had very stubborn or slow impact from Goodwin.

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8 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

Only thing I'll say is he is out coached easily. And this isn't a go at you btw.

We should have beaten STK by 10 goals, he was out coached and they could smell it.

We should have beaten SYD by 5 goals according to many on here, he didn't change the plan mid game.

PORT we had +30 i50's but he continued to send the same message out.

GEEL both games got runs ons and he didn't stop it, OMAC on Hawkins (that's not players fault)

I see what you're saying, but those games have had very stubborn or slow impact from Goodwin.

Can't argue with that mate. I guess there's a fine line between having faith in your system and game plan and being dynamic when required. I'm just hopefully Goody finds that balance sooner than later. 

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14 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

Only thing I'll say is he is out coached easily. And this isn't a go at you btw.

We should have beaten STK by 10 goals, he was out coached and they could smell it.

We should have beaten SYD by 5 goals according to many on here, he didn't change the plan mid game.

PORT we had +30 i50's but he continued to send the same message out.

GEEL both games got runs ons and he didn't stop it, OMAC on Hawkins (that's not players fault)

I see what you're saying, but those games have had very stubborn or slow impact from Goodwin.

To be fair to Goody here, he probably didn’t change things up because we simply weren’t doing much wrong – it was just our execution letting us down…although I do agree on the OMac part, Frost should have gone to Hawkins earlier.

Besides the Collingwood and Hawthorn game, we have literally been in every match… we are just missing the final touch that one can only gain from experience and maturity.

Also read somewhere that Goodwin has one of the best coaching records since John Northey thus far in his career. Pretty good start. He gets some hard criticism purely because of the club he is coaching - we have been so deprived of success that all we want is for it to happen immediately. Not making excuses, I do think finals is the pass mark but I am still pretty happy with where Goody has taken us so far and where I think he will take us in the future.

Also, I am not implying you are being critical of Goodwin, just speaking more generally as some on here are! 

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6 minutes ago, qwerty7 said:

To be fair to Goody here, he probably didn’t change things up because we simply weren’t doing much wrong – it was just our execution letting us down…although I do agree on the OMac part, Frost should have gone to Hawkins earlier.

Besides the Collingwood and Hawthorn game, we have literally been in every match… we are just missing the final touch that one can only gain from experience and maturity.

Also read somewhere that Goodwin has one of the best coaching records since John Northey thus far in his career. Pretty good start. He gets some hard criticism purely because of the club he is coaching - we have been so deprived of success that all we want is for it to happen immediately. Not making excuses, I do think finals is the pass mark but I am still pretty happy with where Goody has taken us so far and where I think he will take us in the future.

Also, I am not implying you are being critical of Goodwin, just speaking more generally as some on here are! 

Last post on this thread, but there are ways to make execution better, ie clear out the forward line and kick deeper to TMAC for eg. He allowed Swans 120 uncontested marks when he could have choked the game up. Re Goodwin record, he came in and started coaching year 4 of the Roos rebuild, he's had it handed to him good and proper. Anyway, we will win the last 2 convincingly and play off in the GF and I'll be very happy for him if he can change things up 

PS - replace deprived with tortured haha

Edited August 16, 2018 by MSFebey

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Managed to casually drop in Fugazi again. 

Hopefully September action is not a Fugazi this year for us

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30 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Managed to casually drop in Fugazi again. 

Hopefully September action is not a Fugazi this year for us

We were in such a great position last time that phrase was used

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As a matter of interest, is there any data which refers to the success rates of coaches versus their experience? We appreciate that inexperienced players make mistakes with the consensus view these days suggesting that it's not until a core of players reach 50+ games each that success starts to follow. Is it generally the same for coaches? 

I know it's hard to assess because some inexperienced coaches inherit strong teams (Chris Scott, Alan Joyce) and conversely, some experienced coaches take over when a club is very low (Roos with us, Malthouse with Carlton, Eade with Gold Coast).

Nevertheless, we should not lose sight of the fact that Goodwin is still an inexperienced senior coach.

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21 hours ago, MSFebey said:

Only thing I'll say is he is out coached easily. And this isn't a go at you btw.

We should have beaten STK by 10 goals, he was out coached and they could smell it.

We should have beaten SYD by 5 goals according to many on here, he didn't change the plan mid game.

PORT we had +30 i50's but he continued to send the same message out.

GEEL both games got runs ons and he didn't stop it, OMAC on Hawkins (that's not players fault)

I see what you're saying, but those games have had very stubborn or slow impact from Goodwin.

He is Very Stubborn atm.

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Adam Simpson is one of the smartest coaches in the league too....his defensive web confuses many others on game day, something that we struggle to combat....hope Goody has his A-game ready

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Yes we have had many runs against us, but in all of them the PLAYERS have missed a number of easy shots, that would have slowed the runs!

At times he has been out coached, particularly Clarkson comes to mind, but he is the best coach, and a few other Longmire and Scott have premierships and very experienced premiership players to help execute their plans.

Against St Kilda I didn’t see much two way running by the players, so not always coaches fault.

To me a couple of experienced coaches as assistants would help, Ratten comes to mind!

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Personally i think Goody has been caught out asleep at the wheel (or just making poor positional decisions on the day) both in game far too often and in pre-match selections.

A great example in the game last week was the continuation of Jones & Tyson on both wings for the majority of the match, even when it was clear Sydney had the speed (not hard against too of our slowest players across the ground) going both ways with Jones completely cooked on this front.  Was being lead to the ball by his opponent on many occasions, the exception the last quarter where he appeared to be playing more of a HF role and managed to lose his opponent for a few more possessions closer to goal.

The selections of Weids (who has has yet to fire a shot in 5 matches this year) for Pedders (who had his 2nd best game since Rnd 1...not great but a long way ahead of anything Weids has produced so far) and Hannan for JKH (who had his best game for the club last week and was a fair way ahead of Spargo / and a mile ahead of ANB) is just mind boggling.

Unless the likes of Spargo, Maxy (who's been off the last few weeks), Jones, Weids, Hannan and ANB suddenly find their mojos and produce some outstanding performances (or in the case of Jones and Maxy back to their better form for the year) it's going to be a big ask over there.  You need EVERYTHING going for you.  And as usual, we have lost a number of games we should have won (the Saints game...easily!) and are now, seemingly, a bridge too far and a fair chance of missing finals....again.

Having said that, IF we kick straight in front of goal AND the players listed above bring something decent, we do have a clear edge over the Eagles in most other aspects (goal umpiring bias aside).....

Edited August 18, 2018 by Rusty Nails

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13 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Personally i think Goody has been caught out asleep at the wheel (or just making poor positional decisions on the day) both in game far too often and in pre-match selections.

A great example in the game last week was the continuation of Jones & Tyson on both wings for the majority of the match, even when it was clear Sydney had the speed (not hard against too of our slowest players across the ground) going both ways with Jones completely cooked on this front.  Was being lead to the ball by his opponent on many occasions, the exception the last quarter where he appeared to be playing more of a HF role and managed to lose his opponent for a few more possessions closer to goal.

The selections of Weids (who has has yet to fire a shot in 5 matches this year) for Pedders (who had his 2nd best game since Rnd 1...not great but a long way ahead of anything Weids has produced so far) and Hannan for JKH (who had his best game for the club last week and was a fair way ahead of Spargo / and a mile ahead of ANB) is just mind boggling.

Unless the likes of Spargo, Maxy (who's been off the last few weeks), Jones, Weids, Hannan and ANB suddenly find their mojos and produce some outstanding performances (or in the case of Jones and Maxy back to their better form for the year) it's going to be a big ask over there.  You need EVERYTHING going for you.  And as usual, we have lost a number of games we should have won (the Saints game...easily!) and are now, seemingly, a bridge too far and a fair chance of missing finals....again.

Having said that, IF we kick straight in front of goal AND the players listed above bring something decent, we do have a clear edge over the Eagles in most other aspects (goal umpiring bias aside).....

Team selection has hurt us in a number of games, round one against Geelong Maynard and Wagner ahead of Tyson and Brayshaw. Against Port after losing Lever always looked like we would be too small down back and we didn’t play Frost. Team then too slow against Saints and that’s only three close losses!

I thought Pedersen was poor last week, JKH very average, just doesn’t have much impact when he wins the ball, and Spargo is lucky to still be in the team. While I have liked Garlett, last week he really lacked effort and that isn’t acceptable. I think that might be it for him!

While agreeing that the coaching panel don’t always get it right on match day, when the players don’t follow instructions or execute poorly it makes the coaches job very tough.

I’ve read most posts, articles, etc since last week, and if we kicked straight against Swans, we win! That’s with lack of running (Jones a major culprit last week), not lowering eyes, backline sitting too high, and anything else you want to mention!

That’s why many commentators and bookies are still bullish about the Demons. With all our flaws, since QB, our worst loss is 10 points, we blew the Cats, Saints and Swans games, Port aside from our own flaws the umpiring was disgraceful. 

We only need a minor improvement in 3-4 areas and we will improve significantly!  Just imagine if the following happens:

- Backline don’t push so high up the ground.

- We have one better kick a quarter going into the forward line. A little bit of composure!

- Players really run, chase, tackle & defend.

- Add in Viney!

Mental strength is the willingness to do point 3 no matter what and keep going to the end!

We’re close, let’s hope today is when we cross the line!

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On 8/16/2018 at 4:57 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

As a matter of interest, is there any data which refers to the success rates of coaches versus their experience? We appreciate that inexperienced players make mistakes with the consensus view these days suggesting that it's not until a core of players reach 50+ games each that success starts to follow. Is it generally the same for coaches? 

I know it's hard to assess because some inexperienced coaches inherit strong teams (Chris Scott, Alan Joyce) and conversely, some experienced coaches take over when a club is very low (Roos with us, Malthouse with Carlton, Eade with Gold Coast).

Nevertheless, we should not lose sight of the fact that Goodwin is still an inexperienced senior coach.

Bull S***

Beveridge won in his second year.

Chris Scott won in his 1st year.

Parkin won in his 2nd year

Longmire won in his 2nd year

Daniher took Melbourne to the GF in his 3rd year

Ayres made the GF in his 1st year

Pyke made the GF in his 2nd year.

Simpson finished 2nd in his 2nd year and made the GF in his 3rd year.

Stop trying to excuse Goodwin because of his 'inexperience'. He has had an armchair ride into coaching. Similar in a lot of ways to Longmire. It is not the reason for his poor coaching against top teams.

We can't defend. percentage of 66% against top 8 teams.

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by jnrmac

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1 hour ago, D4Life said:

Team selection has hurt us in a number of games, round one against Geelong Maynard and Wagner ahead of Tyson and Brayshaw. Against Port after losing Lever always looked like we would be too small down back and we didn’t play Frost. Team then too slow against Saints and that’s only three close losses!

I thought Pedersen was poor last week, JKH very average, just doesn’t have much impact when he wins the ball, and Spargo is lucky to still be in the team. While I have liked Garlett, last week he really lacked effort and that isn’t acceptable. I think that might be it for him!

While agreeing that the coaching panel don’t always get it right on match day, when the players don’t follow instructions or execute poorly it makes the coaches job very tough.

I’ve read most posts, articles, etc since last week, and if we kicked straight against Swans, we win! That’s with lack of running (Jones a major culprit last week), not lowering eyes, backline sitting too high, and anything else you want to mention!

That’s why many commentators and bookies are still bullish about the Demons. With all our flaws, since QB, our worst loss is 10 points, we blew the Cats, Saints and Swans games, Port aside from our own flaws the umpiring was disgraceful. 

We only need a minor improvement in 3-4 areas and we will improve significantly!  Just imagine if the following happens:

- Backline don’t push so high up the ground.

- We have one better kick a quarter going into the forward line. A little bit of composure!

- Players really run, chase, tackle & defend.

- Add in Viney!

Mental strength is the willingness to do point 3 no matter what and keep going to the end!

We’re close, let’s hope today is when we cross the line!

Very nice D4!  Although we only get the Viney injection IF we make finals lol.  And even then we really can't be certain.  Agree Pedders, while poor last week, was better than anything Weids has produced so far i'm afraid.  Even managed a goal which i can't recall Weids doing too often if at all in most matches.  And although JKH's game wasn't great either i would argue it was better than anything Hannan produced in his last block so we'll agree to disagree on those two changes eh.  At this stage i'm very non-plussed with what Goody has done in matches that we could / should have won (at least the odd close one....basically we've lost all of them)... but you are indicating some optimism with a few IFs ....i'm just not sure i want to bite anymore...

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by Rusty Nails