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POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 19

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18 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Salem and Tyson were good...

That trade is having a renaissance.

There’s still time! 

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    On 7/29/2018 at 10:18 AM, xarronn said:

     

    I've read this whole thread and only seen Jibroni post about the wind. I watched on tv and did not notice an effect on the kicking in that last quarter. The commentators did not mention it. 

    Is there any truth in this statement? I'm concluding that there isn't.

    I thought it was pretty evident watching on TV that the wind was blowing Adelaide's way.

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    3 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    No, but it is a handy utility when writing papers. My preferred reading is in particular scientific texts and reports, and the works of bespoke philosophers and historians on paths to rhyme, recant and reason. Illicit Fourteenth Century Italian commentaries are also worthy of some sustained perusal. And you?

    Ah the rise of humanism.

    Who was your favourite

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    8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Ah the rise of humanism.

    Who was your favourite

    Well, Diamond, it is not easy to put a finger on it, precisely; there have been so many formative and progressive ideas and tenets across recorded thinking processes, and explanations, in the search for colour, light and movement.

    Some is progressive, some is regressive, some is mere cant, some is purely beaconesque.

    The young Florentine diplomat,  Niccolo Machiavelli, appeals; I feel that he may have been greatly misjudged and he earned an inappropriate slathering of the darkest type due to his prolific efforts to penetrate the defensive field, albeit that he did achieve the tenets imposed by his father in his education and that of the class from which he inherited opportunity, and emerged, in the finest traditions of Renaissance humanism - albeit early in such chronicles. The period abounded with political measurement criteria, city-state identity and worth, and that of more traditional religious ideologies and intents. These 'dark' forces led our friend to consider the inate suitability for the emergence of social manipulation and cunning via the political leadership of those  so aspiring - notably the Borgias (akin to the AFL leadership group) - in an attempt to secure and widen the latter's powers. It led, in general, to some very well-fortified examples of selective outcomes. 

    All of this is a little dark, contaminated by an undercurrent of the great traditions of 'nobles oblige' as the French so often posited it, followed in turn by the English aristocracy. (ie: power classes have a responsibility towards the welfare and betterment of their alleged underlings). 

    The parallels between these ideas and the selection of the MFC team lists this year can be extruded; it has been a battlefield of strong and weak forces acting in wilful, disarming ways (AFL and umpiring) against a torrent of favoured positional assumptions (eg: The Filth, Geelong, Essendrug) for the maintenance of distinct advantage across the environmental operations ($$$$$$..), whilst not actually creating a worthwhile and improving arena (the competition itself) for the betterment of us (alleged underlings) in the overall pursuit of the welfare of the masses (the conceptualisation of the game, itself). 

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    37 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

    Machiavelli would be a good coach when Goody gives it away. Pity he’s not around any more.

    Exactly! From the darkness comes enlightenment - but it does take time. Lewis might seem to be the fire from which the candle flickers.

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    King on SEN briefly touched on how important half forwards are with their defensive pressure and positioning. Went on to say players don’t need to touch the ball all that often to have a massive impact.

    He will show some footage of our game tomorrow night on 360 and singled out JKH as one of these players. It will be interesting viewing. 

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    13 hours ago, Wizza said:

    I thought it was pretty evident watching on TV that the wind was blowing Adelaide's way.

    I was at the game and it was something that my brother and I discussed during the final qtr. We saw the flags above the old scoreboard end blowing hard towards Adelaide’s end. Whether that wind is the same on the field is another story. Maybe the stands surrounding the ground may create a whirlwind affect in the middle of the ground similar to the G?

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    We were tremendous again for the second week in a row - under-manned, away at a hostile environment against nearly full-strength decent opposition.

    Of course for the "wins are all that matter" crowd it must be: vs Geelong = bad while vs Adelaide = good.

    And the "mentally weak" crowd desperately searching for faults against Adelaide to maintain their slippery critical grip.

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    52 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

    King on SEN briefly touched on how important half forwards are with their defensive pressure and positioning. Went on to say players don’t need to touch the ball all that often to have a massive impact.

    He will show some footage of our game tomorrow night on 360 and singled out JKH as one of these players. It will be interesting viewing. 

    Interesting, I look forward to that! A good example of what the coaches saw in JKH as a benefit that we might have missed the first few weeks he was back? 

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    On 7/29/2018 at 6:34 PM, Vogon Poetry said:

    There have been a number of comments here about the behaviour and character of the Adelaide supporters.  I've been lucky enough to be able to go to every game we've played at the Adelaide Oval (including those against PA) and not once have I ever encountered poor behaviour or aggression from an opposition supporter.  They support their team with passion as we do but at the end of the game yesterday when we were cheering and celebrating hard we had a number of Adelaide supporters come up to us and congratulate us and wish us well for the rest of the season.  Kudos to them and that they stayed on the ground to honour Lewis's achievement was terrific.  They had to stand in terrible conditions for quite a while after they had just been beaten in a match that probably ended their chances of finals.

    I know it's popular to bag them but frankly I don't know any better supporters in the game.  Those that have had trouble are either very unlucky or most probably have brought it upon themselves.

    As for the game it was a terrific win for many reasons.  Last week was shattering, this week be buttered up.  We were challenged and prevailed in a very hostile environment. Some of our players might have had poor games but all of them had their moments.  The weather was fierce in the last quarter.  The wind was blowing strongly to Adelaide's end and it was raining very heavily for a lot of the last quarter.  Having said that it's not possible for me to comment on the wind at ground level as I was sitting in the top of the stand on the eastern side.

    Just a recommendation to anyone who hasn't been to a game in Adelaide, get there if you can, it's the best ground in Australia and fortunately we seem to play it well.

    Completely agree VP.  I was a bit worried going to this game, especially standing on the hill and it being a Sat night game.  But the crows fans were great, I was more annoyed by some Dees fans that were trying to egg on the home fans into a confrontation for some reason.  Was out and about after the game with my scarf on and had many chats with crows fans with no dramas.  quite refreshing! 

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    What were people's thoughts of O Mac's game?  I thought he played well. I was on the hill so watched him closely in Q1&3 and he was rarely beaten, fought hard and tackled well. Aside from that shot on goal!! 

    I find it to be the defender's lot that you are bagged when your opponent kicks 7 on you and when you convincingly beat your opponent, you do not get any praise. I think he was one of the players that kept us in the contest in the first half. Jenkins took 1 mark and Tex 2 for the whole game

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    1 minute ago, DubDee said:

    What were people's thoughts of O Mac's game?  I thought he played well. I was on the hill so watched him closely in Q1&3 and he was rarely beaten, fought hard and tackled well. Aside from that shot on goal!! 

    I find it to be the defender's lot that you are bagged when your opponent kicks 7 on you and when you convincingly beat your opponent, you do not get any praise. I think he was one of the players that kept us in the contest in the first half. Jenkins took 1 mark and Tex 2 for the whole game

    Besides Collingwood (Cox) and Geelong (Hawkins) I think he's had a pretty decent year and still only a pup.

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    1 hour ago, DubDee said:

    What were people's thoughts of O Mac's game?  I thought he played well. I was on the hill so watched him closely in Q1&3 and he was rarely beaten, fought hard and tackled well. Aside from that shot on goal!! 

    I find it to be the defender's lot that you are bagged when your opponent kicks 7 on you and when you convincingly beat your opponent, you do not get any praise. I think he was one of the players that kept us in the contest in the first half. Jenkins took 1 mark and Tex 2 for the whole game

    Couldn't agree more. Was very hard for their forwards to get any separation, I thought he was outstanding. 

    Definitely true though. On the flip side as a forward you can have a shocking game but bob up and kick the winning goal and you're a god! 

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    5 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

    We were tremendous again for the second week in a row - under-manned, away at a hostile environment against nearly full-strength decent opposition.

    Of course for the "wins are all that matter" crowd it must be: vs Geelong = bad while vs Adelaide = good.

    And the "mentally weak" crowd desperately searching for faults against Adelaide to maintain their slippery critical grip.

    I'm guilty, and truly hope I'm proven wrong, it's a long time coming for an old bloke.

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    Just watching the rep[lay and they had a shot of lever and viney in a box near the start of the 3rd q. Lever has whiteboard in front of him and marker in hand. The whiteboard her the following written on it down one side: 

    • Moneyball
    • Boost
    • Aerial
    • Tackle
    • Team

    What on earth does that all mean?

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    3 hours ago, binman said:

    Just watching the rep[lay and they had a shot of lever and viney in a box near the start of the 3rd q. Lever has whiteboard in front of him and marker in hand. The whiteboard her the following written on it down one side: 

    • Moneyball
    • Boost
    • Aerial
    • Tackle
    • Team

    What on earth does that all mean?

    What the hell ...

    Moneyball --- gold coin donation to the swear jar if you drop a mark

    Boost --- like a roost but from the backline. Desparation time only

    Aerial -- swim like her in the last quarter when it pours down

    Tackle -- take this when fishing

    Team -- blind as hell because it has no eyes

    Makes about as much sense to me ...

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    I'm sure this has been asked before - but I am away hiking in Sweden and have just got some wifi with a beer in hand... anyone know how to access (if you can) a replay of the adelaide game? Obviously I can't do it - even as an afl/telstra subscriber.

    Any advice would be great

    Cheers

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    2 hours ago, Danelska said:

    I'm sure this has been asked before - but I am away hiking in Sweden and have just got some wifi with a beer in hand... anyone know how to access (if you can) a replay of the adelaide game? Obviously I can't do it - even as an afl/telstra subscriber.

    Any advice would be great

    Cheers

    Grab one of the watchafl subscriptions. It does mean giving money to the evil empire but yea, it works

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    12 hours ago, DubDee said:

    What were people's thoughts of O Mac's game?  I thought he played well. I was on the hill so watched him closely in Q1&3 and he was rarely beaten, fought hard and tackled well. Aside from that shot on goal!! 

    I find it to be the defender's lot that you are bagged when your opponent kicks 7 on you and when you convincingly beat your opponent, you do not get any praise. I think he was one of the players that kept us in the contest in the first half. Jenkins took 1 mark and Tex 2 for the whole game

    I'm not convinced!

    Seems very laconic in approach to the ball. Often gets outmuscled and gives up on chasing leads.

    Obviously he is still young but I want a big lift in intensity and much more mongrel in my full back. Maybe we should get Ingerson or Neitz down to the club to show OMac how forwards should earn their goals. 

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    12 hours ago, binman said:

    Just watching the rep[lay and they had a shot of lever and viney in a box near the start of the 3rd q. Lever has whiteboard in front of him and marker in hand. The whiteboard her the following written on it down one side: 

    • Moneyball
    • Boost
    • Aerial
    • Tackle
    • Team

    What on earth does that all mean?

    I recall that 'moneyball' is used at our training to signify something - don't recall what it meant but it was discussed somewhere on DL.

    Good to see Jack is allowed back in the coaches box.

    Um, how on earth does ch7 get a camera to see into the coaches box to film such things.  I would have thought what happens in coaches box is sacosanct.

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    8 hours ago, Danelska said:

    I'm sure this has been asked before - but I am away hiking in Sweden and have just got some wifi with a beer in hand... anyone know how to access (if you can) a replay of the adelaide game? Obviously I can't do it - even as an afl/telstra subscriber.

    Any advice would be great

    Cheers

    My advice is forget about the silly Adelaide / Melbourne replay. Just find yourself a nice Swedish girl and improve Australian Swedish relations.

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