Goodwin Presser (4/7)

[hemingway 7,633]

Becoming childish.

Let it go through to the keeper

Lets hope we win on the weekend.

If we have a few wins, the bickering will stop.   

[old dee 24,084]

20 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Becoming childish.

Let it go through to the keeper

Lets hope we win on the weekend.

If we have a few wins, the bickering will stop.   

Good luck with the last line Ernest.

 

[Neil Crompton 5,859]

42 minutes ago, ProDee said:

It's a silly question.

Your answer is self evident in my comment.

If it was self evident, I wouldn’t have asked for an explanation. If it’s beneath you to explain the hypocrisy you refer to, then that’s fine. 

However I would have thought that as you continually hounded poor SWYL for an answer to your question, yet refuse to explain your logic in a question given to you, that that is rather hypocritical in itself, don’t you think?

 

[hemingway 7,633]

19 minutes ago, old dee said:

Good luck with the last line Ernest.

 

Wishful thinking, it was said partly in jest 

[Skuit 10,031]

I love that the press conference thread has gone all meta with everyone dodging questions. 

[Gator 18,055]

10 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

If it was self evident, I wouldn’t have asked for an explanation. If it’s beneath you to explain the hypocrisy you refer to, then that’s fine. 

However I would have thought that as you continually hounded poor SWYL for an answer to your question, yet refuse to explain your logic in a question given to you, that that is rather hypocritical in itself, don’t you think?

 

Good God, man.

Posters say they don't want words.  They say actions speak louder than words. And it even has to be pointed out that it's a compulsory press conference for Goodwin.

The same supporters who don't want words then forensically analyse his every syllable.  They hang off every word they supposedly don't want to hear. 

As I said before, my comments were self-evident. 

[sisso 2,636]

5 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I love that the press conference thread has gone all meta with everyone dodging questions. 

Demonland itself has gone meta! We're no longer discussing the team we're discussing how we discuss the team

[beelzebub 23,392]

5 minutes ago, sisso said:

Demonland itself has gone meta! We're no longer discussing the team we're discussing how we discuss the team

spot on

threads derailing.......just like the season

[beelzebub 23,392]

Theres a brutal simplicity to the idea of what some want at a presser ( getting it another thing )

When some say we dont want words...That's it..we dont want to hear anything really..especially recycled garbled rubbish.

Something akin to Mourihno meets Malthouse will do just fine.

Nothing...or next to nothing....then you ( Coach ) can go back to what ever theyre supposed to do

Why is this hard 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Theres a brutal simplicity to the idea of what some want at a presser ( getting it another thing )

When some say we dont want words...That's it..we dont want to hear anything really..especially recycled garbled rubbish.

Something akin to Mourihno meets Malthouse will do just fine.

Nothing...or next to nothing....then you ( Coach ) can go back to what ever theyre supposed to do

Why is this hard 

Great.  But I can't fathom why you don't understand that they are required to talk to the media and do so in a respectful manner, otherwise they risk fines from the AFL.  

I get the sentiment that we want actions rather than words, but you're going to have to accept that the 'words' part will always be there, like it or not.

[beelzebub 23,392]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

Great.  But I can't fathom why you don't understand that they are required to talk to the media and do so in a respectful manner, otherwise they risk fines from the AFL.  

I get the sentiment that we want actions rather than words, but you're going to have to accept that the 'words' part will always be there, like it or not.

Mourinho was very respectful in saying nothing.  Theres an art to it

Theres a chasm between the hogswallop often trotted out ...and saying nothing ( essentially )

Even Tmac has that worked out

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Mourinho was very respectful in saying nothing.  Theres an art to it

Theres a chasm between the hogswallop often trotted out ...and saying nothing ( essentially )

Even Tmac has that worked out

And how did that work out for him?  He was out of a job very soon after, and he was currently under the pump for a variety of other reasons as well.  

Again, get used to it.  You don't have to like it, but you'll have to accept it's 2018, not 1978, no matter how much you wish it were.

[beelzebub 23,392]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

And how did that work out for him?  He was out of a job very soon after, and he was currently under the pump for a variety of other reasons as well.  

Again, get used to it.  You don't have to like it, but you'll have to accept it's 2018, not 1978, no matter how much you wish it were.

He wasnt out of a job because he refused to do the media dance...thats Premier League..a whole different beast to AFL.

Still..some folk know how to handle the media..

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

He wasnt out of a job because he refused to do the media dance...thats Premier League..a whole different beast to AFL.

Still..some folk know how to handle the media..

You miss my point.  He gave that interview when he was under immense pressure.  He's never done it again.  It was described as one of the most bizarre interviews in Premier League history, and it didn't galvanise the squad at all.

Goodwin handles the media fine.  He answers the questions, keeps the focus on himself and protects the players.  In this day and age, that's his job.  How often is there a needless headline based on a media appearance from him?  Never.  He's not stupid enough to say needless things to heap more pressure on himself and the club after a loss.  You go out there, act professionally and then do the hard stuff when the cameras and microphones are gone.

[binman 44,866]

4 hours ago, timbo said:

No, it wouldn't.

You have misunderstood my pun, which is understandable.

Because i'm too stupid? Or the pun is mangled?

Either way i obviously don't get your joke.

You said you would like to see Nasher's scenario of Goodwin being mute at a presser. Even better you say - do a Pyke and stand there and not say a word. 

A reverse pyke you say. Reverse being the opposite of something. The opposite of Pyke not talking at all is Pyke talking a lot.

Am i missing something? 

[beelzebub 23,392]

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Because i'm too stupid? Or the pun is mangled?

Either way i obviously don't get your joke.

You said you would like to see Nasher's scenario of Goodwin being mute at a presser. Even better you say - do a Pyke and stand there and not say a word. 

A reverse pyke you say. Reverse being the opposite of something. The opposite of Pyke not talking at all is Pyke talking a lot.

Am i missing something? 

you know he was talking diving lingo ?

[binman 44,866]

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

you know he was talking diving lingo ?

Yes. Hence MY pun ('sorry, your pun dived').

A reverse pike involves the diver entering the water the OPPOSITE way she/he is facing when leaving the board, hence the name of the dive. And hence a reverse pyke in his 'pun' meaning he would would not be silent.

In any case how does the diving allusion work in this context or make the pun work? He wasn't discussing Rance on Neymar.

Edited July 5, 2018 by binman

[demoniac 1,337]

5 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

It is not surprising heckle and jeckle like your post.

That does not tell me what parts of my post you disagree with!

 

[Ethan Tremblay 31,393]

6 hours ago, Nasher said:

I would love to see Goodwin just stand there in a press conference, completely mute. Don’t answer any questions or make any comments, just stand there in complete silence. 

Maybe while just staring blankly he could squeeze out a fart. Then walk off. 

Edited July 5, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[drysdale demon 4,837]

15 minutes ago, demoniac said:

That does not tell me what parts of my post you disagree with!

 

The whole post,  I have replied to swyl in the other goodwin thread regarding his thoughts on goodwin which appear to be identical to yours, go to that thread if you wish to see my thoughts.

[Sir Why You Little 37,478]

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

But how do you know it was "accepted", which was your assertion.  You were speaking about the game on the weekend against St Kilda.  You weren't referencing any other game.

How do you know the players and club have accepted those 3 quarters against St Kilda.  

That was your accusation.

Now, answer the specific question and try not to reference 1966.

Because it keeps happening. That was not the first time players didn’t gut run for each other, or spread for options. 

Those 3 quarters were a shambles. It happens regularly. 

The players don’t lift a gear under pressure, they let it beat them and then apologize on tuesday. 

How often have we had the same scenario? season after season....

[Gator 18,055]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Because it keeps happening. That was not the first time players didn’t gut run for each other, or spread for options. 

Those 3 quarters were a shambles. It happens regularly. 

The players don’t lift a gear under pressure, they let it beat them and then apologize on tuesday. 

How often have we had the same scenario? season after season....

So you don't know that the first 3 quarters were "accepted" against the Saints.  You're guessing they're OK with it because it's a failure in their game that's happened previously.

To suggest the players and coach just idly "accept" this aspect in their game is another of your inanities.

[Sir Why You Little 37,478]

3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

So you don't know that the first 3 quarters were "accepted" against the Saints.  You're guessing they're OK with it because it's a failure in their game that's happened previously.

To suggest the players and coach just idly "accept" this aspect in their game is another of your inanities.

So you are accepting that St.Kilda are a better more skillful side in 2018?

[beelzebub 23,392]

Why did it take 3/4 to change our game ?

[titan_uranus 25,257]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Theres a brutal simplicity to the idea of what some want at a presser ( getting it another thing )

When some say we dont want words...That's it..we dont want to hear anything really..especially recycled garbled rubbish.

Something akin to Mourihno meets Malthouse will do just fine.

Nothing...or next to nothing....then you ( Coach ) can go back to what ever theyre supposed to do

Why is this hard 

Because they have to say something!

We've been over this.

The coaches and the players do not have a choice, they are required to speak to the media. Your ideal for "nothing or next to nothing" is unachievable. It cannot, and therefore will never, happen. So instead of complaining that it's "all talk" every time Goodwin or a player makes a comment, let's accept that they have no choice but to do it and get back to discussing our form and the side.