Goal Kicking reliability on SEN

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One thing to remember is that these guys are doing repeat maximum sprints, then they shoot for goal.  Look how hard they breathe in their 30 seconds - if they have a set shot.

Kicking a goal under this physiological duress is a significant challenge.  Unless they are training to kick under these conditions, its no surprise their technique changes and there is a lot of missing.

Further, snapping goals is different from set shots.  

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6 hours ago, praha said:

I think the key thing with Trac is he tends to get the ball along the wing, flanks and pockets. Most of his set shots seem to be on tight angles.

Rubbish he misses too many easy shots, 35m out on 45 degree angle should be an easy kick for someone of his ability. But to often he misses.

 

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6 hours ago, praha said:

I think the key thing with Trac is he tends to get the ball along the wing, flanks and pockets. Most of his set shots seem to be on tight angles.

That’s a good observation Praha.

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1 hour ago, small but forward said:

That’s a good observation Praha.

My invoice is in the mail.

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Trac spins the ball alot in his hands while running in on his set shot routine... i wonder if that impacts his grip/ball drop

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4 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

The only number that surprises me is that someone thought that the data after only 8 rounds could be considered meaningful and worthy of analysis.

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12 hours ago, BigFez said:

We didn't have a represntative in the best top 5?  Tom McDonald mustn't have had enough shots yet, he'd have to be up there.  Don't think I've seen him miss so far this year.

Surprised Max Gawn is not in top 5 for accuracy. Oh, Gawny you are a wonderful player but that miss against Geelong! Then another a week later. We love you though Maxy. All Australian awaits you.

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11 hours ago, Danelska said:

id be interested @Demon17to know what they discussed in particular about the psychology of goal kicking. I did just jump on sen online to get a link to it...no luck. 

FWIW - the anxiety around missing/judgement from others when I  miss, always governs the 'safety behaviour'. This may look different for each individual. Typically though it looks like not kicking fully through the ball. This make sense as the brain is trying to 'guide' the ball through...and reduce discomfort whilst the action is occurring...however the short term relief increases in more stress because it means you're actually LESS likely to get the outcome that you are after...the goal. 

It'll be helpful for  CP5 to be more willing to kick  the ball as he would if he was confidence (smooth flow, kick fully) with the anxiety...and no doubt he is well aware of how [censored] he is going, thus amplifing the need to control the kick and other safety behaviours etc etc... and on the kicking yips goes, because he gets more evidence that he hasn't kicked one yet. 

Dan. You sound like a golf coach. Similar considerations and in golf every shot is a set shot......no snaps.  So often too long to think about missing. 

And they could all have a good look at Weed’s set shot routine, though I must say I now cannot recall too many of his being form a tight angle. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by monoccular

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13 hours ago, BigFez said:

We didn't have a represntative in the best top 5?  Tom McDonald mustn't have had enough shots yet, he'd have to be up there.  Don't think I've seen him miss so far this year.

He has kicked 9.1 ....  so maybe the threshold was more than 10 shots.

But yeah, 9.1 in three games...  hes awesome.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Petraccattack

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8 hours ago, Demon17 said:

The key mental theory discussed was that successful teams have more relaxed goal kickers who are less anxious. They know that if they miss there'll be another opportunity shortly. Lower teams know chances are fewer and need each one to count. - hence more anxiety in some players.

 

83 inside-50s seems like a reasonable number of opportunities.

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8 hours ago, praha said:

My invoice is in the mail.

But I put my money on the fridge, didn’t you see it?

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5 hours ago, monoccular said:

Dan. You sound like a golf coach. Similar considerations and in golf every shot is a set shot......no snaps.  So often too long to think about missing. 

And they could all have a good look at Weed’s set shot routine, though I must say I now cannot recall too many of his being form a tight angle. 

not a golf coach - most of them mean well but...

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5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

He has kicked 9.1 ....  so maybe the threshold was more than 10 shots.

But yeah, 9.1 in three games...  hes awesome.

If you watch tom kicking for goal everything he does is straight, straight run up straight leg straight follow through, and the ball goes dead straight,  too many players are making goalkeeping complicated keep it simple. What I am seeing is too many players are trying to hook the ball. The two best goal kickers of all time dunstall and plugger did everything straight.

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I love Trac but he’s not having a great start to the year, and his goal kicking is definitely one of the things that’s suffering. He had a very good year in front of goal in 2017 and he’s mostly a very good kick so I can’t fathom why he struggling when face with getting it through the big sticks. 

That said I’m not too worried, I think it’ll click for him and god help the team that’s on the other end. 

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6 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

He has kicked 9.1 ....  so maybe the threshold was more than 10 shots.

But yeah, 9.1 in three games...  hes awesome.

Remarkable how accurate Tmac is kicking for goal given his field kicking is often so poor.

I have a theory why he misses so many targets. I reckon he struggles with depth, not accuracy. His kicks are often too short or long. In front of goals he only has to worry about accuracy  and always kicks through the ball well.

In recent  times only jack watts could come close to matching tmac for accuracy.

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Lewis, Salem and T Mac are just as good as Watts when it comes to set shots.

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1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Lewis, Salem and T Mac are just as good as Watts when it comes to set shots.

Not a big enough sample size.