Why Melbourne Can't Be Trusted

[Demonland 72,210]

 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

21 times in 26 game we've conceded 4+ goals on a run.

[Nasher 33,616]

Remember when headlines in the media used to give you a vague idea of the content? I hate being forced to read/listen to the content before getting to decide if I'm interested in it or not.

Anyway, luckily for me, why we can't be trusted isn't a question I'm seeking an answer to. Anyone who has followed this club any longer than about 3 years knows why: because we always seem to stumble when we think we're about to clear the next hurdle. Maybe we don't actually "always" - in fact it's probably only "occasionally", but it feels like that when you spent as long a time being uncompetitive as we did.

Trust will come. I personally had restored my level of trust considerably before last week: I knew that even when we were playing poorly, this MFC team didn't give up and roll over. We could go into any game, we'd probably still be in it at 3/4 time and I knew we could beat anyone if we played our best. I was still hopeful at 1/2 time against Hawthorn. The slap in the face during the second half stung painfully because I was unprepared for it (read: I had trust). In reality, all teams have at least one game a year where they play like arse and get flogged, but for the MFC fan it hurt, because of the fragility of the trust. Fans of very trustworthy teams can endure it and shake it off quickly. Fans of teams who are very untrustworthy expect that pain and can brace for it.

It'll take time to recover it again, but it can happen. It's not a permanent loss of trust, just a setback to the trust that was being earned. 

Thanks for the analysis Plough (I still haven't followed the link).

[Demonland 72,210]

10 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

21 times in 26 game we've conceded 4+ goals on a run.

I cannot believe that this hasn't been addressed and if it has why is it still a problem?

[Sir Why You Little 37,040]

Plough is Dead right

We let teams heavily score and do nothing about it on or off field

Where is the leadership on the ground?

it’s why i have never rated Jones as a Captain. 

Great servant yes, but no Captain

Clubs are going to come hard at us now, and if we don’t react, it’s back to the bottom where this club has sat so often. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,040]

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I cannot believe that this hasn't been addressed and if it has why is it still a problem?

It is pathetic, i mean it should be sorted after the 1st Game

[Nasher 33,616]

14 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I cannot believe that this hasn't been addressed and if it has why is it still a problem?

Is it even a problem? How does it compare to other teams?

[jumbo returns 6,741]

The Club, members, supporters and 'Melbourne is my second team' crew, all need to pitch in for group therapy and cleansing

[Damo 3,356]

Ok but how many times have we kicked 4 in a row ourselves?

[buck_nekkid 5,863]

and 14 our of 26 games we saluted the judges.  If we LOST 21 from 26, there would be some value in this stat.

On the other hand, it speaks to the way we set up, and the way that Goody is looking to derive his wins.  High press, contested ball wins, hard running both ways.  He believes this style will win finals.  Any system has its strengths and weaknesses.  When we play the system correctly, it works.  When we jog and are second to the contest, it doesn't work.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I cannot believe that this hasn't been addressed and if it has why is it still a problem?

 

It'd be premature to address it just yet eh @ProDee?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

23 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Is it even a problem? How does it compare to other teams?

Umm. 

Really?

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

51 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Plough is Dead right

We let teams heavily score and do nothing about it on or off field

Where is the leadership on the ground?

it’s why i have never rated Jones as a Captain. 

Great servant yes, but no Captain

Clubs are going to come hard at us now, and if we don’t react, it’s back to the bottom where this club has sat so often. 

Because Jones is usually always consistently good and reliable though presents as a little self satisfied we are expected to assume he is a leader. Unfortunately it appears he is going to hold on to that title till he retires. I don’t expect dramatic leadership improvement until that happens. As for Goodwin, I still see more upside than negatives in his coaching. But the leadership is currently the vacuum between the coaches and players.

Edited April 18, 2018 by america de cali

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Umm. 

Really?

We're on the edge of our seat, King of Football.  Please fill us plebs in on the problems of the world.

(For the record, it's an issue, but how does it compare to other teams?  How often does it occur within a game?  We're terrific at kicking a run of goals ourselves, so I don't think it's a huge issue, just one that needs to be addressed)

[P-man 13,366]

I don't trust them in terms of within games or week to week, though I still think we'll play finals this year. Perhaps foolishly on the evidence of Sunday afternoon.

Certainly I don't see talent on the list being an issue anymore. It's now a matter of coaching, structures, mindset etc. All of which is now under the microscope.

Supporting this club is one monumental mindf***.

[Nasher 33,616]

12 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Umm. 

Really?

Yes. How does it compare to other teams, the league average, and how does that statistic correlate with match results?

Anyway Steve, I thought you were in the "statistics, pssssh, I use my eyes" camp. I didn't think you would be interested in discussing the relevance of a stat.

[qwerty7 326]

49 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Remember when headlines in the media used to give you a vague idea of the content? I hate being forced to read/listen to the content before getting to decide if I'm interested in it or not.

Anyway, luckily for me, why we can't be trusted isn't a question I'm seeking an answer to. Anyone who has followed this club any longer than about 3 years knows why: because we always seem to stumble when we think we're about to clear the next hurdle. Maybe we don't actually "always" - in fact it's probably only "occasionally", but it feels like that when you spent as long a time being uncompetitive as we did.

Trust will come. I personally had restored my level of trust considerably before last week: I knew that even when we were playing poorly, this MFC team didn't give up and roll over. We could go into any game, we'd probably still be in it at 3/4 time and I knew we could beat anyone if we played our best. I was still hopeful at 1/2 time against Hawthorn. The slap in the face during the second half stung painfully because I was unprepared for it (read: I had trust). In reality, all teams have at least one game a year where they play like arse and get flogged, but for the MFC fan it hurt, because of the fragility of the trust. Fans of very trustworthy teams can endure it and shake it off quickly. Fans of teams who are very untrustworthy expect that pain and can brace for it.

It'll take time to recover it again, but it can happen. It's not a permanent loss of trust, just a setback to the trust that was being earned. 

Thanks for the analysis Plough (I still haven't followed the link).

 

But see, in my opinion, the trust you have in our team to always put up a fight and remain competitive until the end of the match, is valid and shouldn’t be lost. 99% of the time, we do stay competitive, and we know that we will bounce back after these goals have been leaked and try our utmost to win the match, which sometimes we do and sometimes we don’t. The Hawthorn game was simply an anomaly – an outlier that doesn’t truly reflect what our team stands for; all it reflected was the frustration of missing goals, undesirable conditions and things simply not going our way, that it just blew out of proportion.

The issue with trust in the Melbourne FC comes down to our inability to hold a lead, which as supporters, we already knew – it seems the media are only just starting to pay attention to it.  We certainly have issues in goals being leaked and we certainly need to address them, but we aren’t the only team in the competition right now with problems. Why don’t we see article after to article about how Essendon or Collingwood cannot be trusted? They are just as hot and cold as we are.

Don’t take this post as me defending what Melbourne dished out on the weekend – the second half was deplorable. But I still trust them to deliver this year because like you said, every team will have a [censored] game throughout the year and I think this is just one of them. I still back Goodwin and still back the boys to deliver a competitive season that will take us to finals. We are only going to get better throughout the year and we will only grow stronger from this loss – we aren’t the Melbourne of old anymore.

[praha 11,240]

29 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

and 14 our of 26 games we saluted the judges.  If we LOST 21 from 26, there would be some value in this stat.

On the other hand, it speaks to the way we set up, and the way that Goody is looking to derive his wins.  High press, contested ball wins, hard running both ways.  He believes this style will win finals.  Any system has its strengths and weaknesses.  When we play the system correctly, it works.  When we jog and are second to the contest, it doesn't work.

Except we missed the finals but the smallest of margins, stamp out those in game brain fades and we're undoubtedly in the mix.

[Sir Why You Little 37,040]

12 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Because Jones is usually always consistently good and reliable if a little self satisfied we are expected to assume he is a leader. Unfortunately it appears he is going to hold on to that title till he retires. I don’t expect dramatic leadership improvement until that happens. As for Goodwin, I still see more upside in his coaching. But the leadership is a bit of a vacuum between the coaches and players.

I never question his endeavour, but he is so easily brushed aside in the big games. 

R. Flower played well against any side, even if the team was rubbish. 

Jonesy does not inspire. He is a fantastic Blue Collar worker, but not an inspiration. 

I am sure he works really hard during the week. But the MFC is a basket case that needs so much more than Jones can give. 

In AFL terms right now, we are a special needs case. We have talent, but no ticker

[old dee 23,792]

I gave up trust a long time ago.

I pray now instead

[Sir Why You Little 37,040]

1 hour ago, MurDoc516 said:

21 times in 26 game we've conceded 4+ goals on a run.

That is more than a whole season....

Let that sink in

and people still bring up excuses

[Grimes Times 1,278]

Out of 36 game this year 34 games have had at least one team kick 4 or more in a row. Is this a problem across all teams or just the current buzz topic for Melb.

Carlton has conceded 4 or more goals 8 times. 10 in a row the biggest.

Bris - 7 (11)

Stk – 6 (7)

WB – 5 (9)

Suns – 5 (5)

Melb – 5 (10)

Haw - 4 (4)

Adel – 3 (5)

Coll – 3 (4)

GWS – 3 (7)

WCE – 3 (6)

SYD – 3 (4)

Rich – 2 (5)

Ess – 2 (5)

Port – 2 (4)

Freo 2 (4)

Nth – 2 (5)

Gee – 2 (5)

[old dee 23,792]

3 minutes ago, qwerty7 said:

 

But see, in my opinion, the trust you have in our team to always put up a fight and remain competitive until the end of the match, is valid and shouldn’t be lost. 99% of the time, we do stay competitive, and we know that we will bounce back after these goals have been leaked and try our utmost to win the match, which sometimes we do and sometimes we don’t. The Hawthorn game was simply an anomaly – an outlier that doesn’t truly reflect what our team stands for; all it reflected was the frustration of missing goals, undesirable conditions and things simply not going our way, that it just blew out of proportion.

The issue with trust in the Melbourne FC comes down to our inability to hold a lead, which as supporters, we already knew – it seems the media are only just starting to pay attention to it.  We certainly have issues in goals being leaked and we certainly need to address them, but we aren’t the only team in the competition right now with problems. Why don’t we see article after to article about how Essendon or Collingwood cannot be trusted? They are just as hot and cold as we are.

Don’t take this post as me defending what Melbourne dished out on the weekend – the second half was deplorable. But I still trust them to deliver this year because like you said, every team will have a [censored] game throughout the year and I think this is just one of them. I still back Goodwin and still back the boys to deliver a competitive season that will take us to finals. We are only going to get better throughout the year and we will only grow stronger from this loss – we aren’t the Melbourne of old anymore.

The jury is still out on that one Querty7

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

We're on the edge of our seat, King of Football.  Please fill us plebs in on the problems of the world.

(For the record, it's an issue, but how does it compare to other teams?  How often does it occur within a game?  We're terrific at kicking a run of goals ourselves, so I don't think it's a huge issue, just one that needs to be addressed)

Almost every football analyst/media outlet shares the same view and has pointed to the same pattern that has developed. 

If you're not listening to the rest of the football world out there who watch objectively, then you're clearly not going to listen to your fellow demon supporters who have identified this long before last weekend's game.

I say this because you've just stated that you don't think it's a huge issue, lol.

I don't think you understand. 

In 21 of 26 games, we have conceded a run on of 4 or more goals.

In eight of those games we gave up 4 unanswered goals.

In five games we gave up 5.

In four of the games we gave up 6.

In one game we gave up 7. (Brisbane in round 2).

In two we gave up 8. 

And we gave up 10 against Hawthorn last weekend.

 

No biggie though I guess..

 

 

 

 

[P-man 13,366]

2 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Out of 36 game this year 34 games have had at least one team kick 4 or more in a row. Is this a problem across all teams or just the current buzz topic for Melb.

Carlton has conceded 4 or more goals 8 times. 10 in a row the biggest.

Bris - 7 (11)

Stk – 6 (7)

WB – 5 (9)

Suns – 5 (5)

Melb – 5 (10)

Haw - 4 (4)

Adel – 3 (5)

Coll – 3 (4)

GWS – 3 (7)

WCE – 3 (6)

SYD – 3 (4)

Rich – 2 (5)

Ess – 2 (5)

Port – 2 (4)

Freo 2 (4)

Nth – 2 (5)

Gee – 2 (5)

I guess it's a matter of how often it happens to particular teams. Carlton isn't the most flattering team to be sharing a sentence with.