Sam Weideman

[Moonshadow 17,676]

8 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Watched him closely today. Is a lead up fwd only. Too often tries to body his oppnent and he gets crushed. Badly out of form and confidence.

Requires greater strength through the hips and midriff. Gets pushed out of the contest to easily. Needs more time. 30 games, 22 years old

Edited July 7, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Damo 3,356]

He is a give-up.

Doesnt try hard enough.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Damo said:

He is a give-up.

Doesnt try hard enough.

That is the direct opposite of what premiership-winning coach and former Melbourne coach Paul Roos had to say about him.

I know whose opinion I'd listen to.

 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 minute ago, Damo said:

He is a give-up.

Doesnt try hard enough.

Quality post.

[Damo 3,356]

He jogs to contests and doesnt give 2nd efforts.

Better than your post DH.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Damo

[DeeSpencer 25,710]

Not bad, not terrible. 

Just needed to slot the easy goal and hold a couple he got hands to. 

Searching for the body is a phase young forwards go through. I’d still love to play him down back for a while to get him some simple touches but he also gets that in the ruck. 

He isn’t as natural as we want but he has all the skills to be a good player. Stick with it 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

5 minutes ago, Damo said:

He jogs to contests and doesnt give 2nd efforts.

Better than your post DH.

Nice abuse. Watched much footy? Thought not

[old dee 23,791]

36 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Exactly. More potential keeping. Just turned 22. Played 30 games. 

Some posters expect players to develop instantly. No patience. (queue the  references to 1964...)

I honestly don't think he is more than a third best tall forward. However we would get nothing so might as well keep unless someone else is silly enough to make a decent offer.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

11 minutes ago, old dee said:

I honestly don't think he is more than a third best tall forward. However we would get nothing so might as well keep unless someone else is silly enough to make a decent offer.

Yes, with 30 games under his belt that's what would be expected

[Watts the matter 1,235]

37 minutes ago, Sigil said:

The Weed is still going to take time, but it's a bit of a worry.

Would everyone be so worried tho if we didn't kick the ball over his [censored] head all the time and he was averaging another goal a game this year?

The issue is his lack of mobility and he is so one dimensional. Nothing's changed, he has always been this way. If he is not marking it within range he offers little. My concerns have not changed and his season has gone as I expected (I did hope for a lot better after his finals, but this is about right).

If we are pinning our hopes on him we are in trouble. If he becomes an AFL standard player it will be a huge bonus as far as I'm concerned.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,219]

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Was he injured? Looked like it, with 10 minutes to go....

Was off the ground for a large stint of the last quarter with only one on the bench.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

5 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

The issue is his lack of mobility and he is so one dimensional. Nothing's changed, he has always been this way. If he is not marking it within range he offers little. My concerns have not changed and his season has gone as I expected (I did hope for a lot better after his finals, but this is about right).

If we are pinning our hopes on him we are in trouble. If he becomes an AFL standard player it will be a huge bonus as far as I'm concerned.

In this day and age, do you think any team "pins their hopes" on one player?

[dieter 3,325]

I don't understand the negative focus on Weidemann. If I were a forward playing for Melbourne the way it's currently playing I'd spend most of my time cursing the way the ball has come in. You don't reap silk from cows' ears...

The other thing I find interesting is why 'supporters' need to spend so much time denigrating a young player who is obviously dedicated to becoming a good player for the Melbourne Footy club. I still recall how long it took Tom Hawkins to come good. Ditto Darcy Moore, ditto the latest Daniher at Essendon.

Some of you may have read or heard he gets pretty low after becoming acquainted with the negativity displayed by some 'fans'. Fer crissake, get a grip and stop being so pessimistic and negative.

[Deemania since 56 6,639]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Weid is really struggling. No second efforts. His usually reliable kicking is lacking.

His miss in the second qtr today from 30 metres out was disgraceful.  He missed everything and only just made 30 metres. 

No contested marking makes him completely one dimensional.  

Need to persist but definitely needs a stick of dynamite somewhere.  Talent only gets you so far. Attitude and hard work are needed at AFL level. 

Talent only gets you so far. Attitude and hard work are needed at AFL level. As well as  rehearsed and refined skills. One might make the expectation of accuracy and assured, unhindered goal kicking part of a deep forward's repertoire. He is obviously not doing enough practice or alternatively, the wrong practice deficient of advice and expert mentoring. Goal-kicking is a form of assured reliability for one so nurtured.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 minutes ago, dieter said:

I don't understand the negative focus on Weidemann. If I were a forward playing for Melbourne the way it's currently playing I'd spend most of my time cursing the way the ball has come in. You don't reap silk from cows' ears...

The other thing I find interesting is why 'supporters' need to spend so much time denigrating a young player who is obviously dedicated to becoming a good player for the Melbourne Footy club. I still recall how long it took Tom Hawkins to come good. Ditto Darcy Moore, ditto the latest Daniher at Essendon.

Some of you may have read or heard he gets pretty low after becoming acquainted with the negativity displayed by some 'fans'. Fer crissake, get a grip and stop being so pessimistic and negative.

I agree with your sentiment regarding the personal nature but there has to be an element of analysing a players ability to play football and the attributes they show. 

One of the issues I have with posts such as yours is that you use a good forward like Tom Hawkins to compare him to. You may be able to mount a case that they have had a comparable first 4 seasons in AFL, but you could easily choose another 10 players with this output that didn't make it.

Daniher kicked 43 goals in his 4th season and Darcy Moore always showed elite athleticism which is a weakness of Weideman, so not really the right comparasions. Because of comparasions that are over the top and out of context like this I feel the need to reply with relevant information. It is a forum after all.

 

 

 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Talent only gets you so far. Attitude and hard work are needed at AFL level. As well as  rehearsed and refined skills. One might make the expectation of accuracy and assured, unhindered goal kicking part of a deep forward's repertoire. He is obviously not doing enough practice or alternatively, the wrong practice deficient of advice and expert mentoring. Goal-kicking is a form of assured reliability for one so nurtured.

I'd add 'patience' to your list. But that's just me.

[Deemania since 56 6,639]

1 minute ago, Watts the matter said:

I agree with your sentiment regarding the personal nature but there has to be an element of analysing a players ability to play football and the attributes they show. 

One of the issues I have with posts such as yours is that you use a good forward like Tom Hawkins to compare him to. You may be able to mount a case that they have had a comparable first 4 seasons in AFL, but you could easily choose another 10 players with this output that didn't make it.

Daniher kicked 43 goals in his 4th season and Darcy Moore always showed elite athleticism which is a weakness of Weideman, so not really the right comparasions. Because of comparasions that are over the top and out of context like this I feel the need to reply with relevant information. It is a forum after all.

 

 

 

Agree with the relativity of comparisons you make, Watts - but we must be aware of the sentiments as you suggest. Blind faith will drive some as a form of Club loyalty to be displayed; the balance is whether or not such displays are contraindicative of reality that, over time, is wearing thin on many. At the end of the day, we all have faith, expressed in varied outcomes. I'd slip the Weed to the Filth, myself, in a transfer arrangement that would provide us with a surplus to the transaction (such as Marty Hore). Grab a reliable forward elsewhere with the change.

[Elegt 872]

Jack watts played with more physicality. I want to see weid want the ball and not be afraid of contact 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

29 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Jack watts played with more physicality. I want to see weid want the ball and not be afraid of contact 

Whoa!

Jack Watts makes an appearance! Beetlejuice....Beetlejuice....Beetlejuice!

[picket fence 17,169]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Requires greater strength through the hips and midriff. Gets pushed out of the contest to easily. Needs more time. 30 games, 22 years old

Yeah But ..... Would loved to be proved wrong but something"s missing! Not sure he IS the answer!

[dieter 3,325]

57 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I agree with your sentiment regarding the personal nature but there has to be an element of analysing a players ability to play football and the attributes they show. 

One of the issues I have with posts such as yours is that you use a good forward like Tom Hawkins to compare him to. You may be able to mount a case that they have had a comparable first 4 seasons in AFL, but you could easily choose another 10 players with this output that didn't make it.

Daniher kicked 43 goals in his 4th season and Darcy Moore always showed elite athleticism which is a weakness of Weideman, so not really the right comparasions. Because of comparasions that are over the top and out of context like this I feel the need to reply with relevant information. It is a forum after all.

 

 

 

You hit the nail on the head: he started to come good in his fourth season. 43 goals in a side which was always there or nearabouts is hardly great numbers. Darcy Moore's athleticism saw him run around mostly of the early days in the VFL...

As you say, it's a forum. I just like to keep things in perspective...

[Moonshadow 17,676]

15 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah But ..... Would loved to be proved wrong but something"s missing! Not sure he IS the answer!

I make constructive suggestions and you post: "yeah but...i dont know!" 

Cool story bro

[dieter 3,325]

55 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Agree with the relativity of comparisons you make, Watts - but we must be aware of the sentiments as you suggest. Blind faith will drive some as a form of Club loyalty to be displayed; the balance is whether or not such displays are contraindicative of reality that, over time, is wearing thin on many. At the end of the day, we all have faith, expressed in varied outcomes. I'd slip the Weed to the Filth, myself, in a transfer arrangement that would provide us with a surplus to the transaction (such as Marty Hore). Grab a reliable forward elsewhere with the change.

I'm not talking blind faith - look at his Finals games against Hawthorn and Geelong when he was playing in a confident and efficient side. Also, he looks pretty committed to the Melbourne Football Club by my reckoning. Who you gonna swap him for? Cam Macarthy????

[monoccular 17,429]

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

The issue is his lack of mobility and he is so one dimensional. Nothing's changed, he has always been this way. If he is not marking it within range he offers little. My concerns have not changed and his season has gone as I expected (I did hope for a lot better after his finals, but this is about right).

If we are pinning our hopes on him we are in trouble. If he becomes an AFL standard player it will be a huge bonus as far as I'm concerned.

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Not one dimensional in my opinion - ready to handball, goal assist, bit of reasonable ruck work.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Not every young KPF can burst onto the scene like David Schwartz, Wayne Carey or Dermott Brereton.  I am happy to see him as a work in progress.

1 hour ago, dieter said:

I don't understand the negative focus on Weidemann. If I were a forward playing for Melbourne the way it's currently playing I'd spend most of my time cursing the way the ball has come in. You don't reap silk from cows' ears...

The other thing I find interesting is why 'supporters' need to spend so much time denigrating a young player who is obviously dedicated to becoming a good player for the Melbourne Footy club. I still recall how long it took Tom Hawkins to come good. Ditto Darcy Moore, ditto the latest Daniher at Essendon.

Some of you may have read or heard he gets pretty low after becoming acquainted with the negativity displayed by some 'fans'. Fer crissake, get a grip and stop being so pessimistic and negative.

I hope he keeps well away from this "supporter" site.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 hour ago, Elegt said:

Jack watts played with more physicality. I want to see weid want the ball and not be afraid of contact 

Fake news