Gawn on SEN 16/11

[rjay 24,910]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

The AFL is the pinnacle sporting league for physical and mental demands

Yep, and no AFL clubs do a bootcamp...

[binman 42,840]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Hahaha! You are the one who wears Red and Blue Pyjamas to bed each night. 

The Club keeps throwing out these situations, i just respond to them. 

If i usurped my boss and went straight to the Union i wouldn’t last another week. 

That’s the real world, not pathetic at all

Now go away...

In that example, assuming you were not (unlawfully) sacked would your boss resign?

 I'm not interested in a slanging match but suggesting goodw8n might resign is just plain silly. Defending that idea even sillier. 

Edited January 17, 2018 by binman

[Demon trucker 1,800]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Pretty sure this article about the Storm is the exact camp the Demons players went on. Worked out pretty well for them.

 https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/storm/nrl-2016-inside-craig-bellamys-brutal-bootcamp-acid-test-for-melbourne-storm-recruits/news-story/23c41e6ab12c3d164b35cff253a44307

So the best NRL team does bootcamps and the best AFL team sends all young players up Kokoda.

Otherwise it isn't really fair to compare to overseas leagues and sports.

NFL teams only get access to their players in minimal preseason time so they pretty much have to spend it all learning the play book.

Soccer have huge seasons packed with games and it's a skill and athleticism based sport. I'm not trying to start code wars and say soccer players are soft but the game itself has far less physical contact. You can't send a team out to physically intimidate the opposition either, you'll end up with 8 men on the field.

The AFL is the pinnacle sporting league for physical and mental demands in that it requires endurance, strength and speed combined with skills all performed under the threat of physical danger and as a team. Whether it's bootcamp methods or otherwise I think part of preseason surely has to involve stressing the team as close to breaking point and having them work through it together. How can a team excel on match day under severe stress if they've never trained for it?

We should have won the flag last year we are the only one's who did the camp last year, and only the hawks send up there first to 2 nd year players to kokoda, were did they come this year, not the best anymore, their flag was 3 seasons ago, no other club does this camp it has no value what so ever, the players are all going to the camp up north, which will be hard enough, by the sounds of it, it was only a few young players if it were the leadership group going to the alfpa then there is a problem, Richmond did no boot camp and won the flag, they mostly got in touch with their feelings, that was seen as soft Once Upon a Time.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

You don't get sacked for going to the Union, and if they do as long  you have been there for more then 6 months, thats unfair dismissal, sometimes you have to go to the Union before the boss, who can represent you better than you can, if we make finals it will be nothing to do with a boot camp. Let's end this stupidity. Wait and see if we don't do well, than the told you so's will beat their chest and be happy in the their  misery.

Edited January 17, 2018 by don't make me angry

[old dee 23,786]

28 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

You don't get sacked for going to the Union, and if they do as long  you have been there for more then 6 months, thats unfair dismissal, sometimes you have to go to the Union before the boss, who can represent you better than you can, if we make finals it will be nothing to do with a boot camp. Let's end this stupidity. Wait and see if we don't do well, than the told you so's will beat their chest and be happy in the their  misery.

I am at a loss to understand your last paragraph dmea. Can you please explain ?

[In Harmes Way 7,753]

He’s basically saying this will be regurgitated as the reason we didn’t make finals if that eventuates (not injuries etc). Graham Cornes said exactly this on the radio yesterday in support of the argument.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

9 minutes ago, small but forward said:

He’s basically saying this will be regurgitated as the reason we didn’t make finals if that eventuates (not injuries etc). Graham Cornes said exactly this on the radio yesterday in support of the argument.

Thanks for that  explanation and old dee will be 1 of them along with sir wyl  

Edited January 17, 2018 by don't make me angry

[dpositive 1,663]

9 hours ago, ManDee said:

Surely the players have the opportunity to silence that by being harder than our competitors. They think we are soft, show them that we are not. Being tough is more important than talking tough.

This is the exact response Goodie should be making. And challenge the players who didn't want to develop the attributes the camp would have concentrated on to surpass them through effort

[demonzz 116]

21 hours ago, hardtack said:

Unless you are going to provide more substance than that, you are just another of many on this site who have “the good mail”, but an empty letter box.

what do you mean by more substance mate, do you want me to name names, or how about a written and signed response from our poor old coach. do you think that because you have a thousand posts you are at the coal face .   as you can tell by my number of posts over the last fifteen years ive been reading d land i'm not a blurter of [censored].  SWUL is about the only one on here who is there abouts.

 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Do players spew up during a preseason anymore?

[hardtack 10,534]

2 hours ago, demonzz said:

what do you mean by more substance mate, do you want me to name names, or how about a written and signed response from our poor old coach. do you think that because you have a thousand posts you are at the coal face .   as you can tell by my number of posts over the last fifteen years ive been reading d land i'm not a blurter of [censored].  SWUL is about the only one on here who is there abouts.

 

The number of posts has nothing to do with it - seems you’re getting a little defensive there. I’m saying the fact that you make a general, sweeping statement that you know for a fact that the coach is far from happy, holds little water... so maybe if you could provide a little more, that would at least give it some credence. 

I think I’d put Gawn’s word ahead of anyone posting here, and having attended three training sessions while in Melbourne earlier this month, I saw (nor sensed) nothing to indicate that anything was awry. Spirits were high and they were, as they say, training the house down.

Edited January 17, 2018 by hardtack

[Hellish Inferno 992]

What seems odd is that apparently the camp was 'scheduled' for some time, but it was only late in the picture that some players decided that they did not want to go. Quite poor judgement from the players given the organisation that is required and all the work that would have gone into preparing for the camp to pull the pin so late when there was plenty of opportunity earlier to raise any issues.

Doesn't paint a good picture of the communication and leadership structure at the club, both between the players and coaches/administration but also the players and leadership group, given that both seem to have been bypassed by some of the players directly to the AFL players association...

[Pennant St Dee 13,165]

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Oh mate c'mon.. this is by far the most stupid thing I've ever read. Why in God's name would he resign?!

Goody has already come out and addressed the issue. He's happy with where things are at and is already happily moved on. I'm he's put it back on the players now, it' up to them to show if they can do it on field.

Are you sure, we could have a longer thread than the No B$ thread with his ridiculous illinformed claims and clear lack of understanding footy clubs

[Moonshadow 17,675]

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Hahaha! You are the one who wears Red and Blue Pyjamas to bed each night. 

The Club keeps throwing out these situations, i just respond to them. 

If i usurped my boss and went straight to the Union i wouldn’t last another week. 

That’s the real world, not pathetic at all

Now go away...

No, in the real world that would be called unfair dismissal, assuming you did the equivalent at the ABC. You might be unpopular for a while, but adults get past that.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

11 hours ago, demonzz said:

what do you mean by more substance mate, do you want me to name names, or how about a written and signed response from our poor old coach. do you think that because you have a thousand posts you are at the coal face .   as you can tell by my number of posts over the last fifteen years ive been reading d land i'm not a blurter of [censored].  SWUL is about the only one on here who is there abouts.

 

You're the first person in Demonland history to say that.  It's not a good thing.

[PaulRB 6,354]

Love the twisted logic on here.

the year after we did  the camp and then didn’t make finals. Some are now claiming that if we again miss finals that our now not doing the camp will be to blame... ???

Edited January 17, 2018 by PaulRB

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

42 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Love the twisted logic on here.

the year after we did  the camp and then didn’t make finals. Some are now claiming that if we again miss finals that our now not doing the camp will be to blame... ???

The camp is irrelevant.

The issue is the players going to the AFLPA instead of speaking to the coaches and administration directly.

[hardtack 10,534]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

The camp is irrelevant.

The issue is the players going to the AFLPA instead of speaking to the coaches and administration directly.

Admittedly I haven’t read everything written on this topic, but is it public knowledge that the players involved definitely went to the AFLPA without trying other avenues first? Is it possible that they were left with no other option?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

9 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Admittedly I haven’t read everything written on this topic, but is it public knowledge that the players involved definitely went to the AFLPA without trying other avenues first? Is it possible that they were left with no other option?

Either way it's not a good look.

[demonzz 116]

23 hours ago, binman said:

In that example, assuming you were not (unlawfully) sacked would your boss resign?

 I'm not interested in a slanging match but suggesting goodw8n might resign is just plain silly. Defending that idea even sillier. 

No its not.

[old dee 23,786]

Hmm a strange thread!

[demonzz 116]

17 hours ago, hardtack said:

The number of posts has nothing to do with it - seems you’re getting a little defensive there. I’m saying the fact that you make a general, sweeping statement that you know for a fact that the coach is far from happy, holds little water... so maybe if you could provide a little more, that would at least give it some credence. 

I think I’d put Gawn’s word ahead of anyone posting here, and having attended three training sessions while in Melbourne earlier this month, I saw (nor sensed) nothing to indicate that anything was awry. Spirits were high and they were, as they say, training the house down.

 

17 hours ago, hardtack said:

The number of posts has nothing to do with it - seems you’re getting a little defensive there. I’m saying the fact that you make a general, sweeping statement that you know for a fact that the coach is far from happy, holds little water... so maybe if you could provide a little more, that would at least give it some credence. 

I think I’d put Gawn’s word ahead of anyone posting here, and having attended three training sessions while in Melbourne earlier this month, I saw (nor sensed) nothing to indicate that anything was awry. Spirits were high and they were, as they say, training the house down.

 

18 hours ago, hardtack said:

The number of posts has nothing to do with it - seems you’re getting a little defensive there. I’m saying the fact that you make a general, sweeping statement that you know for a fact that the coach is far from happy, holds little water... so maybe if you could provide a little more, that would at least give it some credence. 

I think I’d put Gawn’s word ahead of anyone posting here, and having attended three training sessions while in Melbourne earlier this month, I saw (nor sensed) nothing to indicate that anything was awry. Spirits were high and they were, as they say, training the house down.

Even without getting the info i got, i would of been very surprised if people didnt get the nose out of joint the way all this panned out. In the end, like most topics on here, you just have to take it all with a grain of salt and make your own mind up. Im only trying to share some info with you because i know that you love this club as much as i do even when we get kicked in the gutsfrom time to time. P.s. i only meant SWYL was there abouts on this topic. Sorry if i affended anyone.

[Deestar9 1,613]

I personally don’t care what perception outsiders have of our club......they know very little of the “in’s & outs” of MFC & so jump on the drivel that’s spewed out by media desperate for a headline.  I mentioned this before...(.it seems such a long time ago) ....Christian Salem said it was an absolute beat up by the media and that if the coaches had wanted them to do the camp...they would have done it.....they were all on the same page!!!!  (I asked him the question & he answered it unequivocally)  It is such a non-issue so let’s all move on

[binman 42,840]

1 hour ago, demonzz said:

No its not.

So like SWYL you are surprised Goodwin didn't resign?

A young coach lands his dream job, his first and potentially last AFL senior coaching gig and you are surprised he didn't quit that job when his players go to the AFLPA over a work place issue? Really?

I mean i don't doubt your intel that there was a good deal of angst around this whole issue but how would it look to potential AFL employers if he quit at the first sign of trouble and left a club that he is contracted to? His currency would be zero and rightfully so. Sheesh.

[Pennant St Dee 13,165]

4 minutes ago, binman said:

So like SWYL you are surprised Goodwin didn't resign?

A young coach lands his dream job, his first and potentially last AFL senior coaching gig and you are surprised he didn't quit that job when his players go to the AFLPA over a work place issue? Really?

I mean i don't doubt your intel that there was a good deal of angst around this whole issue but how would it look to potential AFL employers if he quit at the first sign of trouble and left a club that he is contracted to? His currency would be zero and rightfully so. Sheesh.

If you look on the bright side Swyl can blame all failures from here on in, on the falure to attend the training camp as opposed to 186?