5 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Disagree strongly. They had a dream run with injuries this year, barely had a player of note miss a game and had an easy draw due to finishing 13th last year.

Teams will figure out how to counter there small forward line and they will be back with the pack.

They will have 100,000 members next year...

40 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Think the AFL would have wanted Houli. 

Populist panel voted for Populist winner. Judd, Daisy, Jane Niall, Mark McClure and Terry Wallace. Gill didn't have a vote. 

53 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Unlike others on here I just don't see us being anywhere near close to a Premiership.

Where our improvement will come from is the big question.

1 minute ago, Watts the matter said:

Disagree strongly. They had a dream run with injuries this year, barely had a player of note miss a game and had an easy draw due to finishing 13th last year.

Teams will figure out how to counter there small forward line and they will be back with the pack.

I tend to agree with you, I don't feel like there's a true powerhouse side emerging for a couple of years (hopefully us?). I think they will be thereabouts of the 8 again but they had a lot of luck at the start of the year and a friendly injury list. 

You need a lot of things to win a premiership, one thing the have never had since 1964 is luck.

Taking nothing away from Richmond, every single premiership team has needed luck. 

2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Where our improvement will come from is the big question.

It's a very good question, Richmond's success has come on the back of a sensational year from Dusty where he went from an A/A+ player to out and out star. Of course lots of other parts to it with the emergence of some very good contributors and bringing in the likes of Caddy and Prestia. 

We will need at least one of Clarry, Petracca, and Brayshaw to become stars. Viney I feel like has reached just about his ceiling in terms of ability, his leadership will be his biggest asset in the future. Hogan also needs to realise his potential, he has all the attributes to become a star forward, it's now down to his dedication (and us then holding on to him).

 

9 minutes ago, Pates said:

It's a very good question, Richmond's success has come on the back of a sensational year from Dusty where he went from an A/A+ player to out and out star. Of course lots of other parts to it with the emergence of some very good contributors and bringing in the likes of Caddy and Prestia. 

We will need at least one of Clarry, Petracca, and Brayshaw to become stars. Viney I feel like has reached just about his ceiling in terms of ability, his leadership will be his biggest asset in the future. Hogan also needs to realise his potential, he has all the attributes to become a star forward, it's now down to his dedication (and us then holding on to him).

 

Their success also came on the back of a coach who transformed himself and with him the playing group into a team. Have a look at how he did it on the AFL website.

Is there such a thing as a ‘powerhouse’ side anymore?

Cats, Hawks and Swans won premierships (three, four, and two respectively) over the course of the last decade in part because of the way the two franchises sucked the life out of the draft and free agency market, helping the very good stay at the top for longer

The competition is so even now - who’d have thought that Tigers would go from 13th to premiers? It was brilliant to watch

Our turn

11 minutes ago, Pates said:

It's a very good question, Richmond's success has come on the back of a sensational year from Dusty where he went from an A/A+ player to out and out star. Of course lots of other parts to it with the emergence of some very good contributors and bringing in the likes of Caddy and Prestia. 

We will need at least one of Clarry, Petracca, and Brayshaw to become stars. Viney I feel like has reached just about his ceiling in terms of ability, his leadership will be his biggest asset in the future. Hogan also needs to realise his potential, he has all the attributes to become a star forward, it's now down to his dedication (and us then holding on to him).

 

Salem and Brayshaw are the ones I feel need to take the next step.

18 minutes ago, Pates said:

I tend to agree with you, I don't feel like there's a true powerhouse side emerging for a couple of years (hopefully us?). I think they will be thereabouts of the 8 again but they had a lot of luck at the start of the year and a friendly injury list. 

You need a lot of things to win a premiership, one thing the have never had since 1964 is luck.

Taking nothing away from Richmond, every single premiership team has needed luck. 

They were magnificent today. The contested marking and tackling and skills were truly awesome. 

59 minutes ago, trout said:

Goodwin is not a great coach, hopefully he will be but he is not.

At least he would have tried Betts and Cameron around the ball when plan a was not working.

1 hour ago, trout said:

Goodwin is not a great coach, hopefully he will be but he is not.

Pig’s Wag!na

3 hours ago, Ben E said:

At the G with RTG. Feel sick.

I have that effect Ben E. But I suspect you're referring to feeling like you'd stepped into exercise yard of the Melbourne Remand Centre (albeit we were protected by glass)

I wrote them off weeks back, many did. Now they've beaten the top side of the year! and won the Grand Final!!

I'd like to hear from Melbourne fans who aren't hater's of Richmond. I'd like to hear of how they enjoyed the Grand Final?

20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wasn’t aware we were broke or close to it, unless of course you are talking emotions

The exact figures are here, but I'd bet without the money we get from the two NT games, plus the annual handout all clubs receive, we'd have serious financial issues. The club announced a profit last year of  $720,218, the bulk of which was made up by the AFL handout (more than $500k).

We're doomed to play all points of the compass for some time. I saw us win in '64. We won't win another flag in my lifetime. FFS we can't even beat rubbish teams like Norf and Freo. Look through our list. There's at least a dozen list cloggers.

Didn't.

Hard to enjoy a GF if the Dees aren't there.

 

That aside.

Lopsided game.

Tigers deserved their win.

I'm jealous.

3 minutes ago, M_9 said:

The exact figures are here, but I'd bet without the money we get from the two NT games, plus the annual handout all clubs receive, we'd have serious financial issues. The club announced a profit last year of  $720,218, the bulk of which was made up by the AFL handout (more than $500k).

We're doomed to play all points of the compass for some time. I saw us win in '64. We won't win another flag in my lifetime. FFS we can't even beat rubbish teams like Norf and Freo. Look through our list. There's at least a dozen list cloggers.

You are right. Why can’t we get some stars and improve the culture? Richmond have turned themselves around in one year!!!! 

I was shattered when the Bulldogs won. I was absolutely shattered when the Tigers won. I swear the Tigers aren't that good and just had a year where absolutely everything went right.

3 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Houli absolutely robbed of the Norm Smith. Dusty played well in the 2nd half, but only just. 

I agree. With the people that i watched with, we all thought Houli was the most likely. But Dusty with the limited possession he had, he was great with it.

I said after last Fridays prelim, the winner will come from the GWS/Richmond game and today backed the tigers over 39.5... Adelaides game plan was never going to stack up on Grand final day and agaisnt Richmonds manic pressure. Crows rely on easy ball and perfect transition footy, not what grand finals are about... Which is why I'm glad Goodwin is instilling a contested & hard edged brand of footy for us because that's whats wins grand finals

11 minutes ago, TGR said:

At least he would have tried Betts and Cameron around the ball when plan a was not working.

There's no doubt about it Goodwin would have tried to mix it up more than DP did today wouldn't have been hard . My point was aimed at Deestar9 who claimed Goodwin is a great coach and I don't think anybody can say that about him at the moment. 

To those who think Richmond has the 2018 flag sewn up already, how short are your memories? The Dogs were young and exciting and did things no one knew how to counter and then failed to even make this year's finals.

And to those who can't see how we can climb the ladder next year, just look at Richmond's rise from 13th to premiers. Yes, Martin went to another level but the biggest difference between them this year and last is that their bottom 6 are markedly better. Players like Astbury and Vlastuin took their game from below-average to well above it. They played like a 22, rather than a team with 6 stars and a bunch of others.

One common link between the Dogs last year and Richmond this year, though, is workrate. Both sides were based on consistent running (the Dogs with their run and carry, Richmond with their pressure). Let's hope our players were watching. The easiest thing for us to fix, before anything else, is our mentality towards competing for every minute of every quarter.

And with that, the Graeme Richmond era at the Tigers has been emphatically buried.

The Tiges for years and years have been a victim of their own culture. 

They had to be the ruthless Richmond; bulldozing, impatient but ultimately self destructive.

Today, they joined the modern, professional era.

The process took years but the Hardwick era has been everything Richmond has not been. Off field positions have been relatively stable, the core playing group consistent. Furthermore, they haven't been held hostage by their supporter base or old timers eager to give advice about what worked 'in the old days'. Just this week, Ian Wilson was on the blower telling them to run out onto the field in their predominantly black jumper and to pay the fine later.

I wonder when we will make such a jump out of the culture we have built for ourselves?  When we realize that we aren't a great club and that success is earned and not given on a silver platter?

 

That Tiger Dayze bloke must be pretty bloody pleased....

Pass